Without considering partisanship/VRA s, do you deem this AZ map fair?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::6fd05000-c100-49cc-aad1-ed0a328fc6d4

VRA not included because I don't like splitting Tucson. Feel free to propose maps that do though.

[Sol]

No, because it disenfranchises Latinos by not splitting Tucson.

[If my soul was made of stone]

No, because it disenfranchises Latinos by not splitting Tucson.

There's a split Native reservation or two as well if I'm not mistaken.

[Dr. MB]

Not splitting a city when it alone could make up a district doesn't disenfranchise anyone. That being said, it seems like this map is 6-3 R (all the R districts voted Trump by 9 or more) and that exclave is resoundingly ugly and unnecessary.

[Boobs]

No (considered the source)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

From a CoI point of view, yes. From a partisanship point of view, no. Voted yes.

[Torie]

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::6fd05000-c100-49cc-aad1-ed0a328fc6d4

VRA not included because I don't like splitting Tucson. Feel free to propose maps that do though.

I think it is basically "fair," but you were sloppy about keeping the Reservations together and that south AZ CD going from Show Low to Yuma is unwieldy, and you can beat the Hispanic rap that Sol brought up, although I don't think there is racially polarized voting in Tucson, by the map below, where a majority of the voters in a Dem primary would be Hispanic, which ipso facto makes it Hispanic performing anyway in a safe Dem CD. The map also happens to keep Tucson in one CD. What do you think?

https://davesredistricting.org/join/a90535ce-d79f-4abc-96fe-9bcbee7c965f
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[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::6fd05000-c100-49cc-aad1-ed0a328fc6d4

VRA not included because I don't like splitting Tucson. Feel free to propose maps that do though.

I think it is basically "fair," but you were sloppy about keeping the Reservations together and that south AZ CD going from Show Low to Yuma is unwieldy, and you can beat the Hispanic rap that Sol brought up, although I don't think there is racially polarized voting in Tucson, by the map below, where a majority of the voters in a Dem primary would be Hispanic, which ipso facto makes it Hispanic performing anyway in a safe Dem CD. The map also happens to keep Tucson in one CD. What do you think?

https://davesredistricting.org/join/a90535ce-d79f-4abc-96fe-9bcbee7c965f
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That map is quite clean and compact.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

No, because it disenfranchises Latinos by not splitting Tucson.

There's a split Native reservation or two as well if I'm not mistaken.

Would you mind highlighting those for me?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Not splitting a city when it alone could make up a district doesn't disenfranchise anyone. That being said, it seems like this map is 6-3 R (all the R districts voted Trump by 9 or more) and that exclave is resoundingly ugly and unnecessary.

"Without considering partisanship"

No (considered the source)

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=481075.msg8455108#msg8455108

This is part of a series. You should probably come to geography board more often (or, preferably, not)

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::6fd05000-c100-49cc-aad1-ed0a328fc6d4

VRA not included because I don't like splitting Tucson. Feel free to propose maps that do though.

I think it is basically "fair," but you were sloppy about keeping the Reservations together and that south AZ CD going from Show Low to Yuma is unwieldy, and you can beat the Hispanic rap that Sol brought up, although I don't think there is racially polarized voting in Tucson, by the map below, where a majority of the voters in a Dem primary would be Hispanic, which ipso facto makes it Hispanic performing anyway in a safe Dem CD. The map also happens to keep Tucson in one CD. What do you think?

https://davesredistricting.org/join/a90535ce-d79f-4abc-96fe-9bcbee7c965f
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I like this map with two concerns.

1. Do you not find it unwieldy to have a Mohave to Yuma district? I tried to avoid drawing one for that reason.

2. Other than the res (which I forgot about in the initial map, tbh), what's the justification behind the Pinal split?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

No, because it disenfranchises Latinos by not splitting Tucson.

There's a split Native reservation or two as well if I'm not mistaken.

Would you mind highlighting those for me?

Easy trick to spot Reservations: look at the race map, highlighting only whichever option Native American/Alaska Native takes in, with only district lines enabled.

[Dr. MB]

Not splitting a city when it alone could make up a district doesn't disenfranchise anyone. That being said, it seems like this map is 6-3 R (all the R districts voted Trump by 9 or more) and that exclave is resoundingly ugly and unnecessary.

"Without considering partisanship"

How do you determine fairness otherwise? Seems like the only criteria left is "looks pretty".

[bagelman]

I hate this need to split Tucson, so the south looks good. Phoenix area looks fair enough I guess. My main problem is with the north. Mojave County being put in with Navajo territory or even Flagstaff isn't right. Mojave County needs to be crammed in with Yavapai and La Paz counties, and if that's not enough northwest Maricopa.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Not splitting a city when it alone could make up a district doesn't disenfranchise anyone. That being said, it seems like this map is 6-3 R (all the R districts voted Trump by 9 or more) and that exclave is resoundingly ugly and unnecessary.

"Without considering partisanship"

How do you determine fairness otherwise? Seems like the only criteria left is "looks pretty".

Communities of interest.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I hate this need to split Tucson, so the south looks good. Phoenix area looks fair enough I guess. My main problem is with the north. Mojave County being put in with Navajo territory or even Flagstaff isn't right. Mojave County needs to be crammed in with Yavapai and La Paz counties, and if that's not enough northwest Maricopa.

Yeah, I struggled with that too. I think the Mohave question is tough because it doesn't really fit in either direction -- going for the Yavapai-La Paz combination is tougher than it might sound, because going for it leaves the rest of the state with more than enough population for one district and thus means you've got to push the Phoenix area eastwards.

[Former President tack50]

Well, as always beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but not really. It is not terrible either but it is far from amazing. I guess I'd give it a C- ?

[Torie]

Not splitting a city when it alone could make up a district doesn't disenfranchise anyone. That being said, it seems like this map is 6-3 R (all the R districts voted Trump by 9 or more) and that exclave is resoundingly ugly and unnecessary.

"Without considering partisanship"

No (considered the source)

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=481075.msg8455108#msg8455108

This is part of a series. You should probably come to geography board more often (or, preferably, not)

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::6fd05000-c100-49cc-aad1-ed0a328fc6d4

VRA not included because I don't like splitting Tucson. Feel free to propose maps that do though.

I think it is basically "fair," but you were sloppy about keeping the Reservations together and that south AZ CD going from Show Low to Yuma is unwieldy, and you can beat the Hispanic rap that Sol brought up, although I don't think there is racially polarized voting in Tucson, by the map below, where a majority of the voters in a Dem primary would be Hispanic, which ipso facto makes it Hispanic performing anyway in a safe Dem CD. The map also happens to keep Tucson in one CD. What do you think?

https://davesredistricting.org/join/a90535ce-d79f-4abc-96fe-9bcbee7c965f
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I like this map with two concerns.

1. Do you not find it unwieldy to have a Mohave to Yuma district? I tried to avoid drawing one for that reason.

2. Other than the res (which I forgot about in the initial map, tbh), what's the justification behind the Pinal split?

1. No. I don't have a problem with a Colorado River CD, and find that better than a Tucson CD crossing 200 miles of desert to grab some Hispanic precincts in Yuma.

2. One must make choices. Here are three alternatives to splitting Pinal:

https://davesredistricting.org/join/c95dd0fa-05ad-4af9-86b5-e742fe3440d1

https://davesredistricting.org/join/fb59a268-cdc7-47fb-b707-f2f0017ae7b8

https://davesredistricting.org/join/8f1156cd-707b-4955-8232-4f8911f7d71d

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Not splitting a city when it alone could make up a district doesn't disenfranchise anyone. That being said, it seems like this map is 6-3 R (all the R districts voted Trump by 9 or more) and that exclave is resoundingly ugly and unnecessary.

"Without considering partisanship"

No (considered the source)

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=481075.msg8455108#msg8455108

This is part of a series. You should probably come to geography board more often (or, preferably, not)

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::6fd05000-c100-49cc-aad1-ed0a328fc6d4

VRA not included because I don't like splitting Tucson. Feel free to propose maps that do though.

I think it is basically "fair," but you were sloppy about keeping the Reservations together and that south AZ CD going from Show Low to Yuma is unwieldy, and you can beat the Hispanic rap that Sol brought up, although I don't think there is racially polarized voting in Tucson, by the map below, where a majority of the voters in a Dem primary would be Hispanic, which ipso facto makes it Hispanic performing anyway in a safe Dem CD. The map also happens to keep Tucson in one CD. What do you think?

https://davesredistricting.org/join/a90535ce-d79f-4abc-96fe-9bcbee7c965f
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I like this map with two concerns.

1. Do you not find it unwieldy to have a Mohave to Yuma district? I tried to avoid drawing one for that reason.

2. Other than the res (which I forgot about in the initial map, tbh), what's the justification behind the Pinal split?

1. No. I don't have a problem with a Colorado River CD, and find that better than a Tucson CD crossing 200 miles of desert to grab some Hispanic precincts in Yuma.

2. One must make choices. Here are three alternatives to splitting Pinal:

https://davesredistricting.org/join/c95dd0fa-05ad-4af9-86b5-e742fe3440d1

https://davesredistricting.org/join/fb59a268-cdc7-47fb-b707-f2f0017ae7b8

https://davesredistricting.org/join/8f1156cd-707b-4955-8232-4f8911f7d71d

Understood. All look good, though my personal preference is towards the first option.