Comments regarding the Kavanaugh nomination

[Comrade Funk]

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1045732713859358720

[pppolitics]

Look at how much happened in a week.

In the past week, Ramirez and Swetnick came forward

A week from now, something else may come up that blows up the entire confirmation.

Maybe, maybe not. Part of what I was saying was that even if they find something out that is not definitive proof but further deepens suspicion of Kavanaugh, Republicans can still use that as a way to argue that even after a """full""" FBI investigation (they will spin as much as possible), nothing conclusive was found and Kavanaugh must be confirmed.

So yes maybe it uncovers something or maybe it doesn't and gives the handful of Republicans on the fence the little bit of cover they need to rationalize a vote for him. I'm betting on the latter.

Until a moment ago, the Republicans were at 49 votes. That's 1 vote away from confirmation (assuming Mike Pence cast the tie-breaking vote).

We have a losing hand right now.

What can we lose by rolling the dice and see if something comes up a week later?

[Brittain33]

Look at how much happened in a week.

In the past week, Ramirez and Swetnick came forward

A week from now, something else may come up that blows up the entire confirmation.

Maybe, maybe not. Part of what I was saying was that even if they find something out that is not definitive proof but further deepens suspicion of Kavanaugh, Republicans can still use that as a way to argue that even after a """full""" FBI investigation (they will spin as much as possible), nothing conclusive was found and Kavanaugh must be confirmed.

So yes maybe it uncovers something or maybe it doesn't and gives the handful of Republicans on the fence the little bit of cover they need to rationalize a vote for him. I'm betting on the latter.

     Yesterday's testimony proved inconclusive (as was to be expected) and both sides used it as a means to claim victory. Same thing probably happens with the investigation too, and I daresay the odds are that it would even if they had a year to investigate. Judicial matters should be left to the court of law and out of the political arena, but unfortunately that isn't always possible.

I wouldn't quite say it was inconclusive.

Ford was successful and believable. She was so convincing that people expected Kavanaugh and the Republicans to withdraw.

Kavanaugh signalled he would fight back, hard, and the majority of R Senators signalled they would back him.

The two of them combined to equal a wash, but they are both very much alive as independent forces and do not together make a null that is "inconclusive" IMO.

I don't know if Kavanaugh and Graham et al. have another shot at the megaphone. I believe more women will come forward in the media, and Ford could possibly do an interview.

[Banana Republican]

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1045744252771168257

[Brittain33]

I guess what I'm saying is that an FBI investigation of Ford over 1 week may or may not yield anything new, but that week is time for more to come out and more doubt to rise, and that is what would make a difference that would change people's vote.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

I guess what I'm saying is that an FBI investigation of Ford over 1 week may or may not yield anything new, but that week is time for more to come out and more doubt to rise, and that is what would make a difference that would change people's vote.

Dailykos already has a piece out on an FBI background check, it won't reveal nothing new, so I guess he as good as a new Justice, like Ginnsberg said in July.

[pppolitics]

I guess what I'm saying is that an FBI investigation of Ford over 1 week may or may not yield anything new, but that week is time for more to come out and more doubt to rise, and that is what would make a difference that would change people's vote.

Dailykos already has a piece out on an FBI background check, it won't reveal nothing new, so I guess he as good as a new Justice, like Ginnsberg said in July.

We have a losing hand right now.

Why not roll the dice?

[|˶˙ᵕ˙ )ﾉﾞ]

Flake rite now:

[Chief Justice PiT]

Look at how much happened in a week.

In the past week, Ramirez and Swetnick came forward

A week from now, something else may come up that blows up the entire confirmation.

Maybe, maybe not. Part of what I was saying was that even if they find something out that is not definitive proof but further deepens suspicion of Kavanaugh, Republicans can still use that as a way to argue that even after a """full""" FBI investigation (they will spin as much as possible), nothing conclusive was found and Kavanaugh must be confirmed.

So yes maybe it uncovers something or maybe it doesn't and gives the handful of Republicans on the fence the little bit of cover they need to rationalize a vote for him. I'm betting on the latter.

     Yesterday's testimony proved inconclusive (as was to be expected) and both sides used it as a means to claim victory. Same thing probably happens with the investigation too, and I daresay the odds are that it would even if they had a year to investigate. Judicial matters should be left to the court of law and out of the political arena, but unfortunately that isn't always possible.

I wouldn't quite say it was inconclusive.

Ford was successful and believable. She was so convincing that people expected Kavanaugh and the Republicans to withdraw.

Kavanaugh signalled he would fight back, hard, and the majority of R Senators signalled they would back him.

The two of them combined to equal a wash, but they are both very much alive as independent forces and do not together make a null that is "inconclusive" IMO.

I don't know if Kavanaugh and Graham et al. have another shot at the megaphone. I believe more women will come forward in the media, and Ford could possibly do an interview.

     The political calculus of the delay is unfavorable to the GOP, true. That they are playing along indicates to me that they do not have the votes to confirm at this time. The thing is, a popular presumption of guilt has generally been the case with sex crime accusations, including those later proven false (e.g. Duke Lacrosse, Rolling Stone). I am not meaning to liken this accusation to that tier of outright fabrication, but it fundamentally bothers me that the application of justice can hinge on what is politically popular rather than what is fundamentally true, and a potentially innocent defendant could be abandoned simply because nobody is willing to mount the defense, or because people are too scared to do so. Nevertheless, that sometimes happens.

     I genuinely hope that the FBI investigation is conclusive either way, and if the outcome is negative for Kavanaugh then I will oppose his confirmation (for what the opinion of some random person on the internet is worth). As I said earlier though, I don't know how likely a conclusive outcome is.

[Yank2133]

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Well...

[The sturm und drang years]

btw, if Collins votes Yes on Kavanaugh, her D opponent in 2020 will be starting off with an extra $1,671,821 right now from the crowdpac campaign. The same people are funding Grassley's next opponent, and that right now has $91,827 and is rising.

https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/387413/either-sen-collins-votes-no-on-kavanaugh-or-we-fund-her-future-opponent

https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/388598/fund-chuck-grassleys-future-opponent?ref_code=bitly

Good. I am ashamed to be represented by someone as awful as Chuck Grassley. He must be defeated.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AP/status/1045753235129200641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ct...

[BBD]

Why shouldn't we expect the triplet gang of moderate heroes to use this weeklong sham of an investigation as a cover to vote for Kavanaugh, no matter what? The clown show continues at full speed.

[new_patomic]

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1045754940248010752

[OSR stands with Israel]

Why is that a surprise


Of course he will cooperate , if he doent it would mean he could get arrested for obstruction of justice

[BBD]

btw, if Collins votes Yes on Kavanaugh, her D opponent in 2020 will be starting off with an extra $1,671,821 right now from the crowdpac campaign. The same people are funding Grassley's next opponent, and that right now has $91,827 and is rising.

https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/387413/either-sen-collins-votes-no-on-kavanaugh-or-we-fund-her-future-opponent

https://www.crowdpac.com/campaigns/388598/fund-chuck-grassleys-future-opponent?ref_code=bitly

Good. I am ashamed to be represented by someone as awful as Chuck Grassley. He must be defeated.

He's what, 85? 86? You Iowans had your chance in 2016, but blew it. No way to savor his defeat now.

[KingSweden]

Why is that a surprise


Of course he will cooperate , if he doent it would mean he could get arrested for obstruction of justice

FBI can’t compel testimony in a background check investigation

[Yank2133]

Why is that a surprise


Of course he will cooperate , if he doent it would mean he could get arrested for obstruction of justice

Republicans have been trying to hide Judge this entire time.

[windjammer]

Look at how much happened in a week.

In the past week, Ramirez and Swetnick came forward

A week from now, something else may come up that blows up the entire confirmation.

Maybe, maybe not. Part of what I was saying was that even if they find something out that is not definitive proof but further deepens suspicion of Kavanaugh, Republicans can still use that as a way to argue that even after a """full""" FBI investigation (they will spin as much as possible), nothing conclusive was found and Kavanaugh must be confirmed.

So yes maybe it uncovers something or maybe it doesn't and gives the handful of Republicans on the fence the little bit of cover they need to rationalize a vote for him. I'm betting on the latter.

     Yesterday's testimony proved inconclusive (as was to be expected) and both sides used it as a means to claim victory. Same thing probably happens with the investigation too, and I daresay the odds are that it would even if they had a year to investigate. Judicial matters should be left to the court of law and out of the political arena, but unfortunately that isn't always possible.

I wouldn't quite say it was inconclusive.

Ford was successful and believable. She was so convincing that people expected Kavanaugh and the Republicans to withdraw.

Kavanaugh signalled he would fight back, hard, and the majority of R Senators signalled they would back him.

The two of them combined to equal a wash, but they are both very much alive as independent forces and do not together make a null that is "inconclusive" IMO.

I don't know if Kavanaugh and Graham et al. have another shot at the megaphone. I believe more women will come forward in the media, and Ford could possibly do an interview.

     The political calculus of the delay is unfavorable to the GOP, true. That they are playing along indicates to me that they do not have the votes to confirm at this time. The thing is, a popular presumption of guilt has generally been the case with sex crime accusations, including those later proven false (e.g. Duke Lacrosse, Rolling Stone). I am not meaning to liken this accusation to that tier of outright fabrication, but it fundamentally bothers me that the application of justice can hinge on what is politically popular rather than what is fundamentally true, and a potentially innocent defendant could be abandoned simply because nobody is willing to mount the defense, or because people are too scared to do so. Nevertheless, that sometimes happens.

     I genuinely hope that the FBI investigation is conclusive either way, and if the outcome is negative for Kavanaugh then I will oppose his confirmation (for what the opinion of some random person on the internet is worth). As I said earlier though, I don't know how likely a conclusive outcome is.

Well,
I mean a week delay is probably the best thing to do. Because if you don't investigate, that raises a lot of new questions: "are they trying to hide something?" etc etc. The investigation may not prove conclusive but at least I believe the outcome "Kavanaugh was confirmed because no concrete évidence  existed he was a rapist" rather than "Kavanaugh was confirmed because Republicans sabotaged any efforts to make a proper investigation"

[Doomer]

What a train wreck the Republicans in the Senate are.

[Koharu]

https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1045732713859358720

I was just checking before posting this myself. I find this extremely telling.

[Beet]

Look at how much happened in a week.

In the past week, Ramirez and Swetnick came forward

A week from now, something else may come up that blows up the entire confirmation.

Maybe, maybe not. Part of what I was saying was that even if they find something out that is not definitive proof but further deepens suspicion of Kavanaugh, Republicans can still use that as a way to argue that even after a """full""" FBI investigation (they will spin as much as possible), nothing conclusive was found and Kavanaugh must be confirmed.

So yes maybe it uncovers something or maybe it doesn't and gives the handful of Republicans on the fence the little bit of cover they need to rationalize a vote for him. I'm betting on the latter.

     Yesterday's testimony proved inconclusive (as was to be expected) and both sides used it as a means to claim victory. Same thing probably happens with the investigation too, and I daresay the odds are that it would even if they had a year to investigate. Judicial matters should be left to the court of law and out of the political arena, but unfortunately that isn't always possible.

I wouldn't quite say it was inconclusive.

Ford was successful and believable. She was so convincing that people expected Kavanaugh and the Republicans to withdraw.

Kavanaugh signalled he would fight back, hard, and the majority of R Senators signalled they would back him.

The two of them combined to equal a wash, but they are both very much alive as independent forces and do not together make a null that is "inconclusive" IMO.

I don't know if Kavanaugh and Graham et al. have another shot at the megaphone. I believe more women will come forward in the media, and Ford could possibly do an interview.

     The political calculus of the delay is unfavorable to the GOP, true. That they are playing along indicates to me that they do not have the votes to confirm at this time. The thing is, a popular presumption of guilt has generally been the case with sex crime accusations, including those later proven false (e.g. Duke Lacrosse, Rolling Stone). I am not meaning to liken this accusation to that tier of outright fabrication, but it fundamentally bothers me that the application of justice can hinge on what is politically popular rather than what is fundamentally true, and a potentially innocent defendant could be abandoned simply because nobody is willing to mount the defense, or because people are too scared to do so. Nevertheless, that sometimes happens.

     I genuinely hope that the FBI investigation is conclusive either way, and if the outcome is negative for Kavanaugh then I will oppose his confirmation (for what the opinion of some random person on the internet is worth). As I said earlier though, I don't know how likely a conclusive outcome is.

[libertpaulian]

The Dems should be able to win the midterms based solely on the message "Look at this dysfunctional car wreck!  Do you REALLY want two more years of this?!"

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1045754940248010752

When??

[Torrain]

The Dems should be able to win the midterms based solely on the message "Look at this dysfunctional car wreck!  Do you REALLY want two more years of this?!"

Exactly.

And given this latest delay, the Kavanaugh confirmation seems to have become a rolling October Surprise.