Wisconsin Megathread v2: Hagedorn vs. Neubauer

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That point about it not being fair to rural voters about Milwaukee voters voting while their county offices are closed is F[inks]ing absurd.

I mean yeah it's not fair, but the fair solution, is obvious: expand early voting everywhere.

[Boss_Rahm]

Just came across this visualization of the gerrymander of the WI Assembly. Stunningly effective.

https://twitter.com/bcburden/status/1069773072587206656

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Just came across this visualization of the gerrymander of the WI Assembly. Stunningly effective.

https://twitter.com/bcburden/status/1069773072587206656

Yep, and it's gonna get worse next cycle as the Milwaukee portion of the delegation would happily Russ Carnahan the rest of the caucus to get theirs, even if the Dems as a whole continue to get decimated.

[Gass3268]

Just came across this visualization of the gerrymander of the WI Assembly. Stunningly effective.

https://twitter.com/bcburden/status/1069773072587206656

Yep, and it's gonna get worse next cycle as the Milwaukee portion of the delegation would happily Russ Carnahan the rest of the caucus to get theirs, even if the Dems as a whole continue to get decimated.

No they aren't. If anything a fair map would greatly increase the power and representation of Milwaukee County by killing the baconmanders that expend out into Ozaukee and Waukesha.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

[Aurelio21]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

[Gass3268]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

Conservatives have a one seat majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but if liberals can hold their open seat this year and knock off the conservative incumbent in 2020, they could take the majority and start hacking away at a lot of the crap that has taken place under the Walker regime.

[Zaybay]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

Conservatives have a one seat majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but if liberals can hold their open seat this year and knock off the conservative incumbent in 2020, they could take the majority and start hacking away at a lot of the crap that has taken place under the Walker regime.

Yep, the SC takes priority now to stop the WIGOP. It could also get us a non-partisan map for the 2022!

[Gass3268]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

Conservatives have a one seat majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but if liberals can hold their open seat this year and knock off the conservative incumbent in 2020, they could take the majority and start hacking away at a lot of the crap that has taken place under the Walker regime.

Yep, the SC takes priority now to stop the WIGOP. It could also get us a non-partisan map for the 2022!

Evers veto pen "should" be enough there. Also given how off-year and special elections have looked in Wisconsin, I feel pretty good about the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

[Zaybay]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

Conservatives have a one seat majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but if liberals can hold their open seat this year and knock off the conservative incumbent in 2020, they could take the majority and start hacking away at a lot of the crap that has taken place under the Walker regime.

Yep, the SC takes priority now to stop the WIGOP. It could also get us a non-partisan map for the 2022!

Evers veto pen "should" be enough there. Also given how off-year and special elections have looked in Wisconsin, I feel pretty good about the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Yeah, he can still veto, but a court drawn map would likely be fairer, and give us a tossup district in the South of WI.

If I were to give a rating to the WISC, I would say tilt/lean D.

[Gass3268]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

Conservatives have a one seat majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but if liberals can hold their open seat this year and knock off the conservative incumbent in 2020, they could take the majority and start hacking away at a lot of the crap that has taken place under the Walker regime.

Yep, the SC takes priority now to stop the WIGOP. It could also get us a non-partisan map for the 2022!

Evers veto pen "should" be enough there. Also given how off-year and special elections have looked in Wisconsin, I feel pretty good about the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Yeah, he can still veto, but a court drawn map would likely be fairer, and give us a tossup district in the South of WI.

If I were to give a rating to the WISC, I would say tilt/lean D.

Evers' veto would result in a court drawn map, just from a Federal Judge (Obama appointee) rather than the State Supreme Court.

[Scottholes 2.0]

I remember when Wisconsin politics were sane. Big money (Koch money) bought the state in 2010 with the Walker regime and the loss of one of our best U.S. Senators (John McCain agreed), Russ Feingold. What has happened to this once progressive state is beyond sad - WI didn't used to have this level of corruption in its politics. Walker may always be the "zombie governor" no matter who wins. Michigan has been owned by the Koch Brothers, too, since then. Something similar is happening in their state right now.

Wisconsinites, PLEASE don't give up and continue fighting. We are a smart state - we CAN continue our winning streak!

[Zaybay]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lame-duck-wisconsin-republicans-vote-weaken-incoming-democratic-governor-attorney-n944001

the bill passed 17-16.

I feel a bit sorry for Wisconsin. Like in NC, the GOP-controlled legislative passes bills with provisions which where declared illegal for the n-th time. Just keep trying, maybe the SC will turn the previous ruling upside down.

The 2 most questionable measures( extra primary/elections for judical elections, stripping the AG from making ligitations) have been skipped, yet:
- disempowerment of the Governor in one of the core competencies(negotiating as head-of-government, which is the definition of a Governor)
- Executive Boards as parallel governments established
- Voting rights in peril and limited (EV, oversight of the executive disbanded)
- Original law bill published minutes before
- Own legistlative rules of the senate disregarded (a law must be passed 3 times on different sessions)

I do not know about how american/wisconsonite judges consider this legal, yet all these points are in the realm of constitutional law, but the according processes changing the constitution with amendments etc has been disregarded. The early voting provisions are repeatedly struck down, and the law itself has not been passed appropiately to their own legislative procedures.

Thus all bills of the #WIPowerGrab should be null and void. But who knows what the WISC does this, as there are clearly two sets of law: one for the WI GOP, and a stricter one for the rest of the state's citizens.

Conservatives have a one seat majority in the Wisconsin Supreme Court, but if liberals can hold their open seat this year and knock off the conservative incumbent in 2020, they could take the majority and start hacking away at a lot of the crap that has taken place under the Walker regime.

Yep, the SC takes priority now to stop the WIGOP. It could also get us a non-partisan map for the 2022!

Evers veto pen "should" be enough there. Also given how off-year and special elections have looked in Wisconsin, I feel pretty good about the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Yeah, he can still veto, but a court drawn map would likely be fairer, and give us a tossup district in the South of WI.

If I were to give a rating to the WISC, I would say tilt/lean D.

Evers' veto would result in a court drawn map, just from a Federal Judge (Obama appointee) rather than the State Supreme Court.

I see, I thought the Federal Judge was a Trump appointee. My mistake!

[Virginiá]

Evers' veto would result in a court drawn map, just from a Federal Judge (Obama appointee) rather than the State Supreme Court.

What about the legislative maps?

Also, even if the court-drawn maps were from a court with a majority of conservatives, I think we'd probably get something fair. Is there any precedent for a court drawing a gerrymander for the dominant party because of a divided govt? And I don't mean the court basically taking the old map and making minimal changes as a remedial map, like Texas.

[lfromnj]

Evers' veto would result in a court drawn map, just from a Federal Judge (Obama appointee) rather than the State Supreme Court.

What about the legislative maps?

Also, even if the court-drawn maps were from a court with a majority of conservatives, I think we'd probably get something fair. Is there any precedent for a court drawing a gerrymander for the dominant party because of a divided govt? And I don't mean the court basically taking the old map and making minimal changes as a remedial map, like Texas.

Yeah I don't see a court drawing a specifically gerrymandered map no matter the composition of it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So which of these power grabs will be struck down? I'm pretty sure the AG stuff at least is unconstitutional.

[Aurelio21]

So which of these power grabs will be struck down? I'm pretty sure the AG stuff at least is unconstitutional.

According to my gut feeling and judical logic:
If the WISC applies judical logic: All are invalid, as they have not been properly legislated according to WI-Sen procedures. For concrete measures everything which elevates the legislature to the executive should be contradicting the common 3-power-government theory , western democracy style(executive controls of AG+GOV, parallel executive boards without GOV oversight), as well.

I am not a lawyer thus which provisions are indeed invalid any comment or hint of an actual, impartial lawyer specialized in constitutional law would be helpful(obviously not Ted Cruz).

[Dr. Arch]

Good luck trying to make me and many other young workers stay in the state, WI Republicans. You're really doing the state a great service...

Even more disappointing is the silence from our Republican friends...

[Gass3268]

So which of these power grabs will be struck down? I'm pretty sure the AG stuff at least is unconstitutional.

It's up to the 4-3 conservative Supreme Court until at least 2020.

[lfromnj]

So which of these power grabs will be struck down? I'm pretty sure the AG stuff at least is unconstitutional.

It's up to the 4-3 conservative Supreme Court until at least 2020.

MI is 3-1-3 right?

[Antonio the Sixth]

So which of these power grabs will be struck down? I'm pretty sure the AG stuff at least is unconstitutional.

It's up to the 4-3 conservative Supreme Court until at least 2020.

Are all the 4 conservatives complete and utter hacks, or could one or more of them actually rule based on, you know, what the State Constitution actually says?

And if the latter, how would they rule?

[Gass3268]

So which of these power grabs will be struck down? I'm pretty sure the AG stuff at least is unconstitutional.

It's up to the 4-3 conservative Supreme Court until at least 2020.

MI is 3-1-3 right?

No idea. I know there were two conservative seats up this years and the liberals took one.

[Scottholes 2.0]

So, early voting as been limited too, right? I thought somebody said there wasn't enough votes for it.

[Gass3268]

So, early voting as been limited too, right? I thought somebody said there wasn't enough votes for it.

Nope that happened, even though it was recently reinstated via a court order just a couple years ago.

[Scottholes 2.0]

So, early voting as been limited too, right? I thought somebody said there wasn't enough votes for it.

Nope that happened, even though it was recently reinstated via a court order just a couple years ago.

Seriously?? Well, that's going to help to ensure WI goes to Trump in 2020 and GOP victories in WI in 2022. Ridiculous!