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« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2018, 02:16:29 PM »

Assuming all the Democratic Senators vote No in the full chamber, which GOP Senator(s) might vote No wanting more information or having some doubt towards the nominee?

I can only think of two:
Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
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« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2018, 02:21:27 PM »

Let me guess, you were one of the people who believed Harry Reid when he made up sh@t about Mitt Romney's taxes?

Harry Reid was protected by the speech and debate clause.

This lying weasel should hope to stay anonymous to avoid Kavanaugh filing a defamation suit and taking every cent she has.

I suspect Brett Kavanaugh will not forget who the enemy is after all this.

Simmer down, Corleone.
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« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2018, 02:22:26 PM »

Assuming all the Democratic Senators vote No in the full chamber, which GOP Senator(s) might vote No wanting more information or having some doubt towards the nominee?

I can only think of two:
Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska

Not gonna happen. And Manchin will still break.
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« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2018, 02:28:27 PM »





And they did the exact same thing with Porter and look what happened. The FBI's job here isn't to investigate, it is to do background checks.

Well anyway unless there is an actual corroborated accusation it shouldnt be held against him , because until that point its just a smear job .

It shouldn't be outright dismissed. You are giving a guy a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. if Republicans weren't amoral, they would slow down the process and actually look into it. But they are Republicans, so they will just charge forward.

How much can they do to look into this without a named accuser?
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« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2018, 06:20:25 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.
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« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2018, 06:31:58 PM »

See Clarence Thomas and you'll know why this won't matter. Kavanaugh's confirmation is a guarantee.
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« Reply #81 on: September 14, 2018, 06:34:39 PM »

Even if he gets confirmed, this'll just be more fuel to the fire when he and Thomas vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. It'll be two sexual assaulters voted to end women's reproductive rights. Ouch.
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« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2018, 06:38:52 PM »

Even if he gets confirmed, this'll just be more fuel to the fire when he and Thomas vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. It'll be two sexual assaulters voted to end women's reproductive rights. Ouch.

When the rapist judges make their own laws, what do you expect to happen?
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« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2018, 06:47:13 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.
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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2018, 06:50:32 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Yours is quite possibly the most reasonable post on this thread.  And absolutely I agree with you.  While I am suspicious of Sen. Feinstein's timing (but even more so of Republicans' attempts to rush Kavanaugh's confirmation through regardless), this is a legitimate issue that deserves to be looked into.   
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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2018, 06:51:02 PM »
« Edited: September 14, 2018, 06:54:06 PM by People's Speaker fhtagn »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2018, 06:57:47 PM »

I wonder why McConnell wanted Trump to pick Amy Barrett instead.
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« Reply #87 on: September 14, 2018, 07:01:26 PM »

Just in case anyone needs a reminder after Booker's Spartacus moment of what McConnell's concerns were about Kavanaugh:
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« Reply #88 on: September 14, 2018, 07:21:20 PM »

I wonder why McConnell wanted Trump to pick Amy Barrett instead.

He advised against her, apparently. He recommended one of Hardiman, Kethledge or Thapar
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« Reply #89 on: September 14, 2018, 07:27:13 PM »

The FBI literally dismissed this report  as BS really quickly . That indicates this document was more of a smear document than anything

FBI did no such thing. They gave it to the WH as apart of the vetting process (which is what they are suppose to do). FBI is in no position to turn this into a criminal matter, that would be up to the local authorities.

This. Osr, please kindly stop repeating the Mantra that the FBI supposedly dismissed this. The FBI does not prosecute sexual offences under state law on that occurred nearly 40 years ago. It does not mean that it didn't occur nor that is not worthy of consideration.

I frankly don't know if it should be or not, but please and this Jive about the FBI having dismissed the report as unreliable or some such. That's simply not true. At all.
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« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2018, 07:28:26 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Come on. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Republicans to preemptively have a back-up denial document just in case their candidate is accused of sexual assault and then have that exact thing happen with no relation or connection whatsoever.
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« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2018, 07:37:12 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Come on. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Republicans to preemptively have a back-up denial document just in case their candidate is accused of sexual assault and then have that exact thing happen with no relation or connection whatsoever.

It's certainly a possibility. It's not the first time it's happened during a justice's confirmation hearing, and it's pretty obvious the Dems will grasp at whatever straws they can to try and block Kavanaugh.

And in this day and age with politicians and such accused of sexual misconduct, it doesn't hurt to have those who can speak on your character ready in the event someone makes a false accusation.
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« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2018, 07:41:29 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Come on. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Republicans to preemptively have a back-up denial document just in case their candidate is accused of sexual assault and then have that exact thing happen with no relation or connection whatsoever.

It's certainly a possibility. It's not the first time it's happened during a justice's confirmation hearing, and it's pretty obvious the Dems will grasp at whatever straws they can to try and block Kavanaugh.

And in this day and age with politicians and such accused of sexual misconduct, it doesn't hurt to have those who can speak on your character ready in the event someone makes a false accusation.


65 specifically from his high school days? Even someone who thrives on be country for the sake of contrariness like yourself can't possibly believe that that is a coincidence. Did they get 65 women from his college days to? 65 more from Law School? Another 65 for his first four years of practicing law? Did they go ahead and get approximately 700 female character Witnesses over the last 40 Years of his life? Or....? Is it simply an example you calling out being more important than actually calling out for being realistic about sexual assault?
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« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2018, 07:51:28 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Come on. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Republicans to preemptively have a back-up denial document just in case their candidate is accused of sexual assault and then have that exact thing happen with no relation or connection whatsoever.

It's certainly a possibility. It's not the first time it's happened during a justice's confirmation hearing, and it's pretty obvious the Dems will grasp at whatever straws they can to try and block Kavanaugh.

And in this day and age with politicians and such accused of sexual misconduct, it doesn't hurt to have those who can speak on your character ready in the event someone makes a false accusation.


65 specifically from his high school days? Even someone who thrives on be country for the sake of contrariness like yourself can't possibly believe that that is a coincidence. Did they get 65 women from his college days to? 65 more from Law School? Another 65 for his first four years of practicing law? Did they go ahead and get approximately 700 female character Witnesses over the last 40 Years of his life? Or....? Is it simply an example you calling out being more important than actually calling out for being realistic about sexual assault?

I'm simply not foolish enough to believe one conveniently timed sexual assault accusation is true without some sort of evidence or other accusers to back it.

I'm also not crazy enough to think someone's career should be ruined for those same reasons.
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« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2018, 08:15:33 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Come on. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Republicans to preemptively have a back-up denial document just in case their candidate is accused of sexual assault and then have that exact thing happen with no relation or connection whatsoever.

It's certainly a possibility. It's not the first time it's happened during a justice's confirmation hearing, and it's pretty obvious the Dems will grasp at whatever straws they can to try and block Kavanaugh.

And in this day and age with politicians and such accused of sexual misconduct, it doesn't hurt to have those who can speak on your character ready in the event someone makes a false accusation.


65 specifically from his high school days? Even someone who thrives on be country for the sake of contrariness like yourself can't possibly believe that that is a coincidence. Did they get 65 women from his college days to? 65 more from Law School? Another 65 for his first four years of practicing law? Did they go ahead and get approximately 700 female character Witnesses over the last 40 Years of his life? Or....? Is it simply an example you calling out being more important than actually calling out for being realistic about sexual assault?

I'm simply not foolish enough to believe one conveniently timed sexual assault accusation is true without some sort of evidence or other accusers to back it.

I'm also not crazy enough to think someone's career should be ruined for those same reasons.
You dodged the question completely. Why do they specifically have over 60 character witnesses from the same period the rape potentially happened? When the Republicans were also begging t###p to not pick Kennedys handpicked successor.

BTW, please don't turn this personal.
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« Reply #95 on: September 14, 2018, 08:22:49 PM »

Of course that useless old bat Feinstein only caved to pressure and released these documents at the last minute, when she could have done so in July, and had an actual impact. She should be booted off the judiciary committee.
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« Reply #96 on: September 14, 2018, 08:27:19 PM »

Between McConnell's insistence that Kavanaugh not be selected as the nominee and the release of the counter letter in under twenty-four hours following the reveal of this incident leads me to believe that Senate Republicans knew about this well in advance (probably because Kavanaugh told them about it) and have been deliberately expediting this process to keep this hushed.

Considering this is for a lifetime appointment to one of the most important offices in the country, the hearing should be delayed until this is seriously investigated.

Admittedly this is true.   The release of a counter-letter in less than 24 hours is quite fishy when you consider it would have taken a few days just to receive it through the mail, especially with the Hurricane disrupting the post office.

It's also possible that they had that prepared in the event someone tried to do a false smear campaign. It hasn't exactly been secret that Dems want to to everything they can to block Kavanaugh's confirmation by any means possible. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Come on. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Republicans to preemptively have a back-up denial document just in case their candidate is accused of sexual assault and then have that exact thing happen with no relation or connection whatsoever.

It's certainly a possibility. It's not the first time it's happened during a justice's confirmation hearing, and it's pretty obvious the Dems will grasp at whatever straws they can to try and block Kavanaugh.

And in this day and age with politicians and such accused of sexual misconduct, it doesn't hurt to have those who can speak on your character ready in the event someone makes a false accusation.


65 specifically from his high school days? Even someone who thrives on be country for the sake of contrariness like yourself can't possibly believe that that is a coincidence. Did they get 65 women from his college days to? 65 more from Law School? Another 65 for his first four years of practicing law? Did they go ahead and get approximately 700 female character Witnesses over the last 40 Years of his life? Or....? Is it simply an example you calling out being more important than actually calling out for being realistic about sexual assault?

I'm simply not foolish enough to believe one conveniently timed sexual assault accusation is true without some sort of evidence or other accusers to back it.

I'm also not crazy enough to think someone's career should be ruined for those same reasons.
You dodged the question completely. Why do they specifically have over 60 character witnesses from the same period the rape potentially happened? When the Republicans were also begging t###p to not pick Kennedys handpicked successor.

BTW, please don't turn this personal.

It's very possible they have a number of character witnesses from various points in his life, not just high school. It's a high profile appointment that's vulnerable to anyone taking any opportunity they can to sink it simply because Trump was the one who got to do it.
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« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2018, 09:11:43 PM »

The alleged victim didn't want to go public with it out of fear for her own safety.
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« Reply #98 on: September 14, 2018, 09:17:16 PM »

It's very possible they have a number of character witnesses from various points in his life, not just high school. It's a high profile appointment that's vulnerable to anyone taking any opportunity they can to sink it simply because Trump was the one who got to do it.

It would be an amazing coincidence if they just happened to line up the appropriate response out of the blue to an accusation they didn't know was coming.
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« Reply #99 on: September 14, 2018, 09:20:59 PM »

The alleged victim didn't want to go public with it out of fear for her own safety.

This.

Furthermore, re: the timing of this story, I'll quote the New Yorker article.

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This story was broken by Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow. These are the same people who broke the story about Eric Schneiderman. Painting the article as a hit job is gross and misses key context.

The claim that "the timing here is suspicious" is also a red herring. This "concern" gets raised for each of these allegations, then the people who (t)roll this line out never own up when the allegations turn out to be well supported and the accusers resign or own up to it. The timeline for accusers to come forward with allegations is extremely complicated and deals with a very sensitive issue. The false claim rate for these types of attacks, while non-zero, is very low. Anybody who wants to play this game by realistic odds should recognize that this is probably a serious allegation with at least some validity to it. To dismiss it out of hand is obviously partisan and hackish.

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