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Question: How would you rate the NYT/Siena House polls methodology
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A: Freedom Methodology
 
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F: Horrible Methodology
 
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« Reply #600 on: September 11, 2018, 02:49:36 PM »

Margin of error stops changing in a significant way once the total population hits 20,000. Virtually every race that a pollster will cover in their career meets that threshold as it often requires a phone sample of at least that amount to get enough responses (with live callers, robocalling requires less). Campaigns in territory with populations smaller than 20k typically can't afford traditional polling anyway.
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« Reply #601 on: September 11, 2018, 02:57:26 PM »

Nate Cohn answers a number of methodology questions in this thread: https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1039594928257617921.
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« Reply #602 on: September 11, 2018, 03:16:56 PM »

VA-7 is live again.
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« Reply #603 on: September 11, 2018, 03:57:47 PM »

Bryce will be down by 4.
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« Reply #604 on: September 11, 2018, 04:03:34 PM »

TX-23 is back too. I'm going to laugh my ass off if Hurd over-performs his 2016 margins at all.
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« Reply #605 on: September 11, 2018, 04:15:56 PM »


So:

a) 1/3 of their respondents did not vote in 2014.

b) They are not using the same weights or likely voter modeling as in typical (previous) Siena polls, although it is similar.
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« Reply #606 on: September 11, 2018, 04:26:28 PM »



Guys, these polls aren't using a 2014 electorate.
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« Reply #607 on: September 11, 2018, 05:05:02 PM »

WI-01 is an interesting choice. I expect Steil to be ahead, but who knows. I'd say the only surprising result for me so far is TX-23, but I have a hard time believing that Trump's approval rating is even there, and it does seem like their sample is a little older than they were shooting for.
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« Reply #608 on: September 11, 2018, 05:05:38 PM »

God, I wish there was text polling. Or some reliable way to do it over an app. Response rates would be much higher.

Since Congress is run by politicians, and politicians want to poll, they might pass a law to allow text polling some time in the next few years.
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« Reply #609 on: September 11, 2018, 05:23:58 PM »

But politicians also love getting votes, and the people who vote for politicians really don't like getting spam.

Yeah, they wouldn't legalize unwanted texting in general, only for polls.

Similarly, when Congress passed the Do-Not-Call list, they carved out an exception for political calling because they wanted to continue being able to poll/do fundraising.
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« Reply #610 on: September 11, 2018, 05:28:03 PM »

WI-01 has started.

With 12 respondents in, THE IRON STACHE LEADS 50-41...
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« Reply #611 on: September 11, 2018, 05:34:57 PM »

WI-01 is an interesting choice. I expect Steil to be ahead, but who knows. I'd say the only surprising result for me so far is TX-23, but I have a hard time believing that Trump's approval rating is even there, and it does seem like their sample is a little older than they were shooting for.
cruz also leads Beto by 4 in the poll, lol
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« Reply #612 on: September 11, 2018, 05:42:51 PM »

WI-01 voters want repubs to have the house 60-20 but #populist Bryce is tied 46-46!

Looks like IceSpear was wrong about candidate quality
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« Reply #613 on: September 11, 2018, 05:58:07 PM »

Really hoping for Bryce, but IK he is not favored.
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« Reply #614 on: September 11, 2018, 06:07:17 PM »

WI-01 voters want repubs to have the house 60-20 but #populist Bryce is tied 46-46!

Looks like IceSpear was wrong about candidate quality

And with the margin of error at a mere 30 points no less. I've officially been rekt.

Oops, looks like Steil is up by double digits now. I win. Smiley
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« Reply #615 on: September 11, 2018, 06:10:18 PM »

WI-01 voters want repubs to have the house 60-20 but #populist Bryce is tied 46-46!

Looks like IceSpear was wrong about candidate quality

And with the margin of error at a mere 30 points no less. I've officially been rekt.

Oops, looks like Steil is up by double digits now. I win. Smiley

Generic ballot is R+30 and Bryce is only down by 10. This means that Bryce would win in districts like MI-01!
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« Reply #616 on: September 11, 2018, 06:19:33 PM »

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« Reply #617 on: September 11, 2018, 06:40:23 PM »



This is exactly what I was concerned about last night in the WV-03 poll.
It's a repeat of that one young black Trump supporter who always counted as like 30 people in the LAT tracking poll in 2016.
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« Reply #618 on: September 11, 2018, 06:47:24 PM »

Weighting basically makes the MoE into a meaningless statistic. The real MoE to look at would be that of each weighted subsample - which, needless to say, is enormous.
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« Reply #619 on: September 11, 2018, 06:48:12 PM »



Yep, in VA-07, actually only 13 respondents 18-29 right now. Out of 372.

The 18-44 electorate is still only 26% of the poll. 45+ is nearly 3/4 (74%). So the fact that Brat is only +5 with such an old electorate honestly doesn't bold that well to me.
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« Reply #620 on: September 11, 2018, 06:50:29 PM »

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« Reply #621 on: September 11, 2018, 07:40:19 PM »

Honestly can't take TX-23 seriously. It's a Clinton +3 district that now has a Trump +2 approval.
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« Reply #622 on: September 11, 2018, 08:12:41 PM »

Interesting(?) that WI-01 has a much better response rate (about 3.5% so far) than the others.
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« Reply #623 on: September 11, 2018, 08:17:31 PM »

Interesting(?) that WI-01 has a much better response rate (about 3.5% so far) than the others.

Also WI-01 has the same issue as VA-07 with 18-29 year old voters favoring Republicans by a large margin so far.

72-20 Repubclian with sample of 7.

Meanwhile the 18-29s in VA-07 are still 64-24 GOP.
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« Reply #624 on: September 11, 2018, 08:20:53 PM »

Interesting(?) that WI-01 has a much better response rate (about 3.5% so far) than the others.

Also WI-01 has the same issue as VA-07 with 18-29 year old voters favoring Republicans by a large margin so far.

72-20 Repubclian with sample of 7.

Meanwhile the 18-29s in VA-07 are still 64-24 GOP.

Didn't you hear about Generation NaZi?
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