Justice Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing *DISCUSSION AND LIVE COMMENTARY*

[Tintrlvr]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

Right - on the basis of this affidavit, Maryland police could put a warrant out for his arrest given the lack of a statute of limitations on rape and accessory crimes in Maryland. I don't know that they will, but I have to assume the grandstanding Avenatti is at least in contact with someone in Maryland law enforcement.

[Torie]

The above I think is a fair summary, except that I suppose K while in the line, dropped out before his turn, so no rape by him personally.

Where are you getting that idea from? I don't see that in the statement, unless I am missing something?

I read the affidavit again, and she states she saw K in line, not that she saw him take his turn. Again, that makes no difference here legally or in any other way, given the balance of what she charges.

[Banana Republican]

I just have trouble believing that someone in K's position could be that evil and sociopathic given his "facade."  (He just doesn't come across like Trump  does, where any charge would seem plausible.)  Obviously, I have no idea where the truth lies, and prefer to await the testimony. But this latest charge would take time to work through, to see if it has any impeaching holes in it. The Pubs are really in the cross hairs now. How do they get through this without angering their base, and without the clock running out, and without an electoral disaster?

https://newrepublic.com/article/123157/what-rapist-can-look-actually

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[Calthrina950]

At this point, it is clear that Kavanaugh's nomination needs to be withdrawn. This latest allegation appears to be the most serious and the most plausible of the three. While I am still not willing to go to the extent that many on here have gone, I fully support investigating this, and, if there is credence lent to it, going for any course of legal action as needed.

[SCNCmod]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

Seems a bit late for that. If he didn't do what is alleged, I certainly would do what he is doing. He has no choice. And if I did, I would have asked that my name be withdrawn at the first indication that any of this was surfacing. In fact, I would have deemed seeking the SCOTUS seat far too risky myself.

I really have trouble believing the gang rape charge myself. Now K is 19, and in college. If he did, he is a true redux of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Based on the wording of the statement (& Avanatii's response when asked about the gang rape specifics, etc)... I think when Avanatii &/ or his client are pressed to clarify ... the accusation is that Kavanaugh was "involved in" & "present" during the gang rape.  And the timing would've been his Jr & Sr Years of High School.

... but the involved in is alleging that Kavanaugh was involved in helping get the girls drunk, spiking the "punch" etc.  (had Kavanaugh been involved specifically in the act of raping his client ... it would have been very clearly and specifically stated).

Also- the implication was via Avanatii interview today- that She does know the names other the "guys" very well.  I'm not sure if Judge was one of the guys involved in Train raping her (putting something in her drink so she was to a point not to be able to give consent).

...BTW- I'm in no what saying getting the girls drunk for some of his other friends to rape... is any better than the rape itself... I'm just clarifying what my understanding of what the specific claim is based on the Avanatii interview a few minutes ago.

By my reading, the allegation is twofold:

1) She saw boys lining up to participate in gang rape of other girls. Those explicitly included Kavanaugh (also Mark Judge). ---- That is an accusation, under penalty of perjury, that Kavanaugh committed rape.

2) She herself was gang raped in this way (but this does not explicitly name Kavanaugh as one of the boys that raped her). I don't know this, but would guess/surmise that maybe she doesn't remember exactly who it was who gang raped her, herself, because her drink had obviously been spiked (in the same way, however, as she earlier describes Kavanaugh and Judge as having participated in spiking drinks).

I agree with both of the points you made... although based on the letter she said she saw Kavanaugh..."in line" ... rather than "in the room"  "going in the room" or rather than outright saying "Kavanaugh actually had sex/raped one of these "train" victims.  (which she would have probably said specifically IMO).........But to me this makes her statement even more believable....saying he was definitely complicit and helped to facilitate these Train Rapes... along with grouping and grinding on girls when Drunk, etc... Without Specifically and absolutely claiming that Kavanaugh definitely Raped the girls etc.  (again- one action is a bad as the other... but she seems to be sticking to what she is sure of).

 .................I'm also probably one of the only people that think his Virgin claim is most likely true  (as being a virgin is actually very much in keeping with all of the allegation the 3 women have made against him... and all seem to almost describe the actions of someone who is sexually awkward/ inexperienced.... they were all actions done with other people in the room vs in an intimate setting.  So I could see the only child Virgin who is a belligerent drunk who assaulted/molested  girls & zero respect for girls in general ...being perfectly consistent.  (even if he was different once he got married and had daughters etc).. But Definitely still a liar!

[IndustrialJustice]

I just have trouble believing that someone in K's position could be that evil and sociopathic given his "facade."  (He just doesn't come across like Trump  does, where any charge would seem plausible.)  Obviously, I have no idea where the truth lies, and prefer to await the testimony. But this latest charge would take time to work through, to see if it has any impeaching holes in it. The Pubs are really in the cross hairs now. How do they get through this without angering their base, and without the clock running out, and without an electoral disaster?

This is embarrassingly naive.

[Hindsight was 2020]

The only way Kavanaugh can clear his name is for Mark Judge to be subpoenaed

[GeorgiaModerate]

Oh boy, it's gonna get worse:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044983644224393216

Gasoline, meet fire.

[Brittain33]

Oh boy, it's gonna get worse:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044983644224393216

Gasoline, meet fire.

I have so many familiar GIFs coming to mind now.

[7,052,770]

Theory: Kavanaugh is claiming to be a choir boy virgin in high school despite all the evidence to the contrary because that's what he told his wife he was like back then and doesn't want to admit to a decades old lie to her.

[Koharu]

I haven't seen the full sworn statement posted directly here, but images are also not working for me directly so I had to check in Chrome and I didn't go back that far, but for those who are going on hearsay or can't be bothered to click links, here is Julie Swetnick's sworn statement:





If you want to keep calling this a "smear," fite me. This woman has put her entire career and life on the line with a sworn statement.

Also, take a look at statements Kavanaugh made in the past about his drinking:

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-kavanaugh-drinking-20180925-story.html

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[new_patomic]

This is spiraling

[Panda Express]

The only way Kavanaugh can clear his name is for Mark Judge to be subpoenaed

‘How’d you find me?’: Mark Judge has been holed up in a beach house in Delaware amid a media firestorm

You would think he would be willing to testify in front of the senate if he had nothing to hide. After all, Dr. Ford is going to testify tomorrow.

[Gass3268]

Judicial Crisis Network does not appear to be as firm behind Kavanaugh:

https://twitter.com/Ed_Demaria/status/1044986285964824576

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1044994139954335745

[Banana Republican]

https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1044994139954335745

I'm sure he'll make a strongly worded statement.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1044994139954335745

I'm sure he'll make a strongly worded statement.

He might even view with alarm.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Kavanaugh seems like the absolute worst kind of frat guy.

[ShamDam]

https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1044994139954335745

I'm sure he'll make a strongly worded statement.

He might even view with alarm.

The concerns? Oh, they will be grave.

[Slander and/or Libel]

https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1044994139954335745

I'm sure he'll make a strongly worded statement.

He might even view with alarm.

He might strongly consider beginning to think about asking for a slight delay in proceedings if he doesn't get his way. Though also maybe not.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Kavanaugh seems like the absolute worst kind of frat guy.

I agree.

[7,052,770]

One thing Flake could so is promise to vote no until there is an FBI investigation, but if the investigation clears him, promise to vote yes.

If he can get Collins or whoever to follow suit, that pretty much forces Trump to pick a new nominee and doesn't require any Republican to ever actually vote yes or no, both of which are damaging votes politically

[new_patomic]

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1044998982999724032
Well...

[Pyro]

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1044998982999724032
Well...

Willing to bet Lindsay Graham and Orrin Hatch have as much to hide as Kavanaugh.

[Banana Republican]

Flake flaking out live on the Senate floor. Sad. This is just a non-statement, nobody should be paying attention to it.