Justice Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing *DISCUSSION AND LIVE COMMENTARY*

[pppolitics]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

It's that serious?

It has now been alleged that he is involved in gang rapes, so yes.

[Torie]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

Seems a bit late for that. If he didn't do what is alleged, I certainly would do what he is doing. He has no choice. And if I did, I would have asked that my name be withdrawn at the first indication that any of this was surfacing. In fact, I would have deemed seeking the SCOTUS seat far too risky myself.

I really have trouble believing the gang rape charge myself. Now K is 19, and in college. If he did, he is a true redux of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And who else was allegedly involved besides Judge and K, or are those the only two perps that the accuser remembers?

[Gustaf]

I mean, I struggle to see why she would lie and risk perjury here. If there is corroboration of her story I can't see him surviving. Even the GOP wouldn't confirm a gang rapist to the Supreme Court (not because they would mind gang rape of course, but even they would recognize the political backlash as not worth it).

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

He should be in jail.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1044978999200567297

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/1044976821945667585

[SCNCmod]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

Seems a bit late for that. If he didn't do what is alleged, I certainly would do what he is doing. He has no choice. And if I did, I would have asked that my name be withdrawn at the first indication that any of this was surfacing. In fact, I would have deemed seeking the SCOTUS seat far too risky myself.

I really have trouble believing the gang rape charge myself. Now K is 19, and in college. If he did, he is a true redux of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Based on the wording of the statement (& Avanatii's response when asked about the  specifics in an interview a few minutes ago, etc)...

1) I think when Avanatii &/ or his client are pressed to clarify ... the accusation is that Kavanaugh was "involved in" & "present" during the Train rape.  

2) The "involved in"... is alleging that Kavanaugh was involved in helping get the girls drunk, spiking the "punch" etc.  (had Kavanaugh been involved specifically in the act of raping his client ... it would have been very clearly and specifically stated).

2) "Present" ... meaning Present at the party and Present in the vicinity of the area/ room where the "Train" was happening.

3) The timing would've been his Jr & Sr Years of High School.

4) Also- the implication - via Avanatii interview today- seemed to be that She does know the names other the "guys" very well.  I'm not sure if Judge was one of the guys involved in Train raping her (putting something in her drink so she was to a point not to be able to give consent).

5) She told a couple of people soon after she was raped by the friends... and they are apparently willing to confirm.

6) She also claims that Kav was often beligent when drunk and often a mean drunk.  And that he often was inappropriate in talking trash about girls in a sexual way.  

7) And often would grind up against girls (unwantedly).  And would grab/ pull down girls clothes (ie pull down their shirts to see their breasts).

...BTW- I'm in no what saying getting the girls drunk for some of his other friends to rape... is any better than the rape itself... I'm just clarifying what my understanding of what the specific claim is based on the Avanatii interview a few minutes ago.

[ND, SD, MT, WY, and ID statehood was and is unconstitutional]

He should be in jail.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/1044976821945667585

Holy sh!t, it really is that serious.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

He should be in jail.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Can we PLEASE withdraw this guy?!

[Gustaf]

Haven't the Republican leadership made clear that this is the battle they want to fight? The right of men to rape women probably trumps the right to life and 2nd amendment as Republican principles today.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

I mean, I struggle to see why she would lie and risk perjury here. If there is corroboration of her story I can't see him surviving. Even the GOP wouldn't confirm a gang rapist to the Supreme Court (not because they would mind gang rape of course, but even they would recognize the political backlash as not worth it).

Haven't the Republican leadership made clear that this is the battle they want to fight? The right of men to rape women probably trumps the right to life and 2nd amendment as Republican principles today.

Did you just change your mind?

[Banana Republican]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

Seems a bit late for that. If he didn't do what is alleged, I certainly would do what he is doing. He has no choice. And if I did, I would have asked that my name be withdrawn at the first indication that any of this was surfacing. In fact, I would have deemed seeking the SCOTUS seat far too risky myself.

I really have trouble believing the gang rape charge myself. Now K is 19, and in college. If he did, he is a true redux of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Based on the wording of the statement (& Avanatii's response when asked about the gang rape specifics, etc)... I think when Avanatii &/ or his client are pressed to clarify ... the accusation is that Kavanaugh was "involved in" & "present" during the gang rape.  And the timing would've been his Jr & Sr Years of High School.

... but the involved in is alleging that Kavanaugh was involved in helping get the girls drunk, spiking the "punch" etc.  (had Kavanaugh been involved specifically in the act of raping his client ... it would have been very clearly and specifically stated).

Also- the implication was via Avanatii interview today- that She does know the names other the "guys" very well.  I'm not sure if Judge was one of the guys involved in Train raping her (putting something in her drink so she was to a point not to be able to give consent).

...BTW- I'm in no what saying getting the girls drunk for some of his other friends to rape... is any better than the rape itself... I'm just clarifying what my understanding of what the specific claim is based on the Avanatii interview a few minutes ago.

By my reading, the allegation is twofold:

1) She saw boys lining up to participate in gang rape of other girls. Those explicitly included Kavanaugh (also Mark Judge). ---- That is an accusation, under penalty of perjury, that Kavanaugh committed rape.

2) She herself was gang raped in this way (but this does not explicitly name Kavanaugh as one of the boys that raped her). I don't know this, but would guess/surmise that maybe she doesn't remember exactly who it was who gang raped her, herself, because her drink had obviously been spiked (in the same way, however, as she earlier describes Kavanaugh and Judge as having participated in spiking drinks).

[Gass3268]

Oh boy, it's gonna get worse:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044983644224393216

[libertpaulian]

Oh boy, it's gonna get worse:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044983644224393216

The next six weeks are going to be a mess.

[Torie]

The above I think is a fair summary, except that I suppose K while in the line, dropped out before his turn, so no rape by him personally. But that is a nitpick. Obviously with this latest hit, the claims are going to need to be run down, because if any of it is true, K is in serious legal trouble, above and beyond his nomination. And if the hearing goes forward tomorrow, K will obviously be asked in detail about all of this. When might Swetnick be available to be interviewed?

[Brittain33]

I still believe that Republicans will find a way to confirm Kavanaugh.

I think this new affidavit makes the stakes much more serious for Kavanaugh. At this point, losing a SC seat is not his biggest potential loss. His reputation is shredded and his existing court seat and possibly freedom are at risk. He needs to seriously consider getting himself out of the news.

Seems a bit late for that. If he didn't do what is alleged, I certainly would do what he is doing. He has no choice. And if I did, I would have asked that my name be withdrawn at the first indication that any of this was surfacing. In fact, I would have deemed seeking the SCOTUS seat far too risky myself.

I really have trouble believing the gang rape charge myself. Now K is 19, and in college. If he did, he is a true redux of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And who else was allegedly involved besides Judge and K, or are those the only two perps that the accuser remembers?

On what basis don’t you believe it, though?

This is what some bad people are like—they present as people you would never believe it about. There is a stampede of testimony that he was, at best, a sexist drunk. One thing I learned in reading about the Nazis is that you shouldn’t expect the bad guys to be Mr. Hyde. They are normal.

[libertpaulian]

If Trump continues to double down, it won't matter if Kav is rejected in an up-or-down vote.  The fact that the President, certain Senators, certain Senatorial candidates, etc. stood by him, will be used in ads across the country.  The damage has been done.

[Alabama_Indy10]

Oh boy, it's gonna get worse:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044983644224393216

This’ll be fun. Even before the hearings tomorrow.

[Banana Republican]

The above I think is a fair summary, except that I suppose K while in the line, dropped out before his turn, so no rape by him personally.

Where are you getting that idea from? I don't see that in the statement, unless I am missing something?

[Torie]

I just have trouble believing that someone in K's position could be that evil and sociopathic given his "facade."  (He just doesn't come across like Trump  does, where any charge would seem plausible.)  Obviously, I have no idea where the truth lies, and prefer to await the testimony. But this latest charge would take time to work through, to see if it has any impeaching holes in it. The Pubs are really in the cross hairs now. How do they get through this without angering their base, and without the clock running out, and without an electoral disaster?

[Pyro]

Oh boy, it's gonna get worse:

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1044983644224393216

The next six weeks are going to be a mess.

I cannot believe they are this idiotic.
Kavanaugh could have been withdrawn weeks ago and few would've remembered this.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

I just have trouble believing that someone in K's position could be that evil and sociopathic given his "facade."  (He just doesn't come across like Trump  does, where any charge would seem plausible.)  Obviously, I have no idea where the truth lies, and prefer to await the testimony. But this latest charge would take time to work through, to see if it has any impeaching holes in it. The Pubs are really in the cross hairs now. How do they get through this without angering their base, and without the clock running out, and without an electoral disaster?

"Don't judge a book by it's cover".

[Tintrlvr]

If Trump continues to double down, it won't matter if Kav is rejected in an up-or-down vote.  The fact that the President, certain Senators, certain Senatorial candidates, etc. stood by him, will be used in ads across the country.  The damage has been done.

Agreed. The only winner from a failed vote on the Republican side is Susan Collins (assuming she votes No), and, even then, only if she plans to seek reelection in 2020.