Young Daughter of Asylum Seeker Dies After Being Detained

[Senator Sirius]

Source-NPR News

This has raised concerns over medical facilities at border detention centers. This person wasn't trying to cross illegally, they were legitimately attempting to gain permission to enter the US.

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

Charge the bastards with murder. That ought to be a death penalty case.

[Hammy]

Source-NPR News

This has raised concerns over medical facilities at border detention centers. This person wasn't trying to cross illegally, they were legitimately attempting to gain permission to enter the US.

That's the case with most of the detainees--they have to turn themselves in and then apply for asylum (but instead are thrown in cages as if enemy combatants)

[JA]

Source-NPR News

This has raised concerns over medical facilities at border detention centers. This person wasn't trying to cross illegally, they were legitimately attempting to gain permission to enter the US.

That's the case with most of the detainees--they have to turn themselves in and then apply for asylum (but instead are thrown in cages as if enemy combatants)

They came to America seeking humanity, yet no humanity was to be found. Not in this land.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

[Beet]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans. There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

[ponderosa peen 🌲]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

[Beet]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border? By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

[Dr. Arch]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border? By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

When maintaining someone alive when they seek asylum is considered a burden, you know that the people supporting that position are rotten to the core, and that the version of this country that they envision is cruel, vindictive, and evil. It's one thing to turn someone away; it's another to be responsible for their death when they sought help, as the ones who support such a thing take refuge in "policy" as an excuse to commit such an atrocity.

[ponderosa peen 🌲]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border?

For anybody that spends time in a detention facility owned and operated by the federal government, yes. If you think we are the greatest country on Earth, then ensuring basic safety and health should not be a difficult task.

By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

Jesus, 1/10, even worse than the last one. Anyway, see above for why this reaction is ridiculous. Uncle Sam is responsible for anybody who spends significant time in his nation's facilities, in the same way that a houseguest is responsible if a guest invited over for dinner contracts food-borne illness. Like it or not, you become a guardian of anyone who you take into your detention center, even if only for a couple of days. If any harm befalls them under your watch, then it's your fault. Keeping a person alive is a very basic and easy task. Instead of being upset at immigrants for trying to (legally, in this person's case) enter the country, you should be upset that your immigration enforcement agency is so inept that they can't keep children alive.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Family values

[Ban my account ffs!]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border? By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

Imagine being this empty, cold, and soulless inside.  But don't do it too long.  I don't think it's catching, but we humans with regular capacities to empathize and think rationally can't take chances.

[Beet]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border? By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

When maintaining someone alive when they seek asylum is considered a burden, you know that the people supporting that position are rotten to the core, and that the version of this country that they envision is cruel, vindictive, and evil. It's one thing to turn someone away; it's another to be responsible for their death when they sought help, as the ones who support such a thing take refuge in "policy" as an excuse to commit such an atrocity.

The kid got an infectious disease. Being in custody doesn't make you immortal. If the kid was back in whatever third world country she was in, she might have gotten infected too. For all we know these centers saved lives. But you'll never hear about that. You'll just hear about the one who died outside of custody which her mother claims that the infection started in custody. There are kids in this country in preschools who get infected. It happens.

[Famous Mortimer]

We already had a thread about this story a couple weeks ago when it first broke. It failed to get traction with the general public then. The media really wants to make it a thing though so they're trying to push it again. It was a dumb story then and it's a dumb story now. A child who was once in ICE custody got sick and died. It's sad but as was pointed out weeks ago, children get sick at public schools and die and we don't abolish public schools, so this is no reason to abolish ICE/the border.

[Famous Mortimer]

Source-NPR News

This has raised concerns over medical facilities at border detention centers. This person wasn't trying to cross illegally, they were legitimately attempting to gain permission to enter the US.

If you believe that saying the word "asylum" makes someone legal, you are calling for the abolition of all limits on immigration.

[Strudelcutie4427]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

So were Mollie Tibbets and Kate Steinle

[Senator Sirius]

Source-NPR News

This has raised concerns over medical facilities at border detention centers. This person wasn't trying to cross illegally, they were legitimately attempting to gain permission to enter the US.

If you believe that saying the word "asylum" makes someone legal, you are calling for the abolition of all limits on immigration.

It makes them legal when they go to a border checkpoint and attempt to enter through the legal process.

[Slander and/or Libel]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border? By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

When we take them into our custody, then yes, their care and well-being is explicitly our responsibility.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

There are children dying in Africa as we speak - not to mention in Central America, but the Red avatars here won't say anything about it - because those people can't be used to bash the administration.

Those people dying in Africa/Central America aren't dying as a consequence of showing up to our borders.

I give your post a 2/10. I've seen you do better.

So anyone can become our responsibility just by showing up at the border? By that standard, they all will. The world is full of human beings - if that's all it takes for us to be responsible for them, what's the point of even having a nation? This logic is a slippery slope to the complete destruction of the United States.

When we take them into our custody, then yes, their care and well-being is explicitly our responsibility.

The highlighted part is absolutely true.  No question.

There should be whatever investigation is required to determine the degree of negligence involved here, including possibly criminal negligence.  If negligence is involved, the parties involved should be sanctioned according to the level of culpability found.  In addition, the systemic issues of the detention system that contributed to this should be addressed to ensure that this never happens again.  If this requires spending more taxpayer dollars, so be it.  Detainees are, indeed, human beings, and they are not criminals if they their entry into the United States is not an illegal re-entry after being deported, and the conditions of their confinement should reflect that the degree that security is not compromised.

None of that means that we have to change our criteria as to who we let in.  To do so on the basis of this would be a ridiculous exercise in Emotional Reasoning. 

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

So were Mollie Tibbets and Kate Steinle

Immigrants are less likely to kill people than native born citizens.

[Badger]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

Anyone who calls themselves Christian, or lives by judeo Christian values.

[Badger]

This truly is a crisis and this administration will never learn, care, or realize that.

A crisis for who?

That's a serious question.

That's easy: It's a crisis for illegal immigrants, not Americans.

They're still human beings.

So were Mollie Tibbets and Kate Steinle

Because brown people kill , amarite?