2016 election: college-educated whites vs whites without degrees by state
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King of Kensington
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« on: August 28, 2018, 10:16:21 PM »

No idea if anyone has done this already, but here it is (Trump vote % for noncollege, college and difference between the two).  These are all the states for which CNN did exit polls.

Arizona  58  50  +8
California  59  35  +24
Colorado  58  39  +21
Florida  66  62  +4
Georgia  81  69  +12
Illinois  60  43  +18
Indiana  69  57  +12
Iowa  58  49  +9
Kentucky  73  61  +12
Maine  57  35  +22
Michigan  62  51  +11
Minnesota  60  41  +19
Missouri  71  61  +10
Nevada  59  51  +8
New Hampshire  56  41  +15
New Jersey  70  43  +27
New Mexico  60  38  +22
New York  62  43  +19
North Carolina  69  58  +11
Ohio  63  59  +4
Oregon  55  30  +25
Pennsylvania  64  48  +16
South Carolina  75  64  +11
Texas  76  62  +14
Utah  58  39  +19
Virginia  71  49  +22
Washington  51  31  +20
Wisconsin  62  41  +21
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2018, 07:20:29 AM »

Good job!

Unsurprisingly, the gap is smallest in the south and largest on the coasts and Great Lakes.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2018, 09:57:34 AM »

The exit polls are generally thought to have understated this gap significantly.
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King of Kensington
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2018, 04:28:52 PM »

AA holders calling themselves college graduates?
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2018, 10:26:39 PM »

No idea if anyone has done this already, but here it is (Trump vote % for noncollege, college and difference between the two).  These are all the states for which CNN did exit polls.

Arizona  58  50  +8
California  59  35  +24
Colorado  58  39  +21
Florida  66  62  +4
Georgia  81  69  +12
Illinois  60  43  +18
Indiana  69  57  +12
Iowa  58  49  +9
Kentucky  73  61  +12
Maine  57  35  +22
Michigan  62  51  +11
Minnesota  60  41  +19
Missouri  71  61  +10
Nevada  59  51  +8
New Hampshire  56  41  +15
New Jersey  70  43  +27
New Mexico  60  38  +22
New York  62  43  +19
North Carolina  69  58  +11
Ohio  63  59  +4
Oregon  55  30  +25
Pennsylvania  64  48  +16
South Carolina  75  64  +11
Texas  76  62  +14
Utah  58  39  +19
Virginia  71  49  +22
Washington  51  31  +20
Wisconsin  62  41  +21

Do we have consolidated 3rd Party numbers out there by State?

It would be interesting to take the '16 numbers by State for DEM,REP, OTHER match against the '12 numbers by State, to more accurately assess swings, impacts of 3rd Party defections, etc....
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 03:36:40 PM »

Someone should make a 4-colored map showing which states which candidate won which education level in.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 11:18:42 PM »

The real difference among white people is not between college-educated and non-college educated, but instead between members of fundamentalist or evangelical churches and those who are not.  The college/non-college distinction is that Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals are less likely to complete a college degree.

Consider the anti-intellectual culture of most fundamentalist and evangelical churches. People who accept biblical inerrancy to the extent of accepting young-earth creationism and a literal worldwide Flood likely have little interest in college-level learning. They might attend bible schools whose degrees aren't worth the fake parchment on which they are printed and drop out.
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2018, 04:09:46 PM »

Here's the list ranked in terms of the margin between the two groups. When you color code the state winner a clear distinction is evident: Dem states have larger margins than Pub states. WI, UT, and NV are the outliers (PA and NH have nearly the same spread).

New Jersey  70  43  +27
Oregon  55  30  +25
California  59  35  +24
Maine  57  35  +22
New Mexico  60  38  +22
Virginia  71  49  +22
Colorado  58  39  +21
Wisconsin  62  41  +21
Washington  51  31  +20
Utah  58  39  +19
Minnesota  60  41  +19
New York  62  43  +19
Illinois  60  43  +18
Pennsylvania  64  48  +16
New Hampshire  56  41  +15
Texas  76  62  +14
Indiana  69  57  +12
Kentucky  73  61  +12
Georgia  81  69  +12
Michigan  62  51  +11
North Carolina  69  58  +11
South Carolina  75  64  +11
Missouri  71  61  +10
Iowa  58  49  +9
Arizona  58  50  +8
Nevada  59  51  +8
Ohio  63  59  +4
Florida  66  62  +4
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2018, 08:30:50 PM »

Here's the list ranked in terms of the margin between the two groups. When you color code the state winner a clear distinction is evident: Dem states have larger margins than Pub states. WI, UT, and NV are the outliers (PA and NH have nearly the same spread).

New Jersey  70  43  +27
Oregon  55  30  +25
California  59  35  +24
Maine  57  35  +22
New Mexico  60  38  +22
Virginia  71  49  +22
Colorado  58  39  +21
Wisconsin  62  41  +21
Washington  51  31  +20
Utah  58  39  +19
Minnesota  60  41  +19
New York  62  43  +19
Illinois  60  43  +18
Pennsylvania  64  48  +16
New Hampshire  56  41  +15
Texas  76  62  +14
Indiana  69  57  +12
Kentucky  73  61  +12
Georgia  81  69  +12
Michigan  62  51  +11
North Carolina  69  58  +11
South Carolina  75  64  +11
Missouri  71  61  +10
Iowa  58  49  +9
Arizona  58  50  +8
Nevada  59  51  +8
Ohio  63  59  +4
Florida  66  62  +4


These numbers don't make sense if we look at "Whites" with College Degrees compared to "Whites" w/o College Degrees....

Initially I had assumed the first number was Whites with College Degrees, and the second number "whites" without college degrees....

The further one scrolls down the list the less sense that makes.

Please explain further, since I am a bit confused.....
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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2018, 08:41:19 PM »

Here's the list ranked in terms of the margin between the two groups. When you color code the state winner a clear distinction is evident: Dem states have larger margins than Pub states. WI, UT, and NV are the outliers (PA and NH have nearly the same spread).

New Jersey  70  43  +27
Oregon  55  30  +25
California  59  35  +24
Maine  57  35  +22
New Mexico  60  38  +22
Virginia  71  49  +22
Colorado  58  39  +21
Wisconsin  62  41  +21
Washington  51  31  +20
Utah  58  39  +19
Minnesota  60  41  +19
New York  62  43  +19
Illinois  60  43  +18
Pennsylvania  64  48  +16
New Hampshire  56  41  +15
Texas  76  62  +14
Indiana  69  57  +12
Kentucky  73  61  +12
Georgia  81  69  +12
Michigan  62  51  +11
North Carolina  69  58  +11
South Carolina  75  64  +11
Missouri  71  61  +10
Iowa  58  49  +9
Arizona  58  50  +8
Nevada  59  51  +8
Ohio  63  59  +4
Florida  66  62  +4


These numbers don't make sense if we look at "Whites" with College Degrees compared to "Whites" w/o College Degrees....

Initially I had assumed the first number was Whites with College Degrees, and the second number "whites" without college degrees....

The further one scrolls down the list the less sense that makes.

Please explain further, since I am a bit confused.....
it's the other way around, non-college whites first. and then the number is the % of vote that went to trump Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2018, 12:38:47 PM »

The real difference among white people is not between college-educated and non-college educated, but instead between members of fundamentalist or evangelical churches and those who are not. 

But what about the strong support for Trump among Italian Americans in the Northeast?
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2018, 07:56:24 PM »

The real difference among white people is not between college-educated and non-college educated, but instead between members of fundamentalist or evangelical churches and those who are not.  The college/non-college distinction is that Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals are less likely to complete a college degree.

Consider the anti-intellectual culture of most fundamentalist and evangelical churches. People who accept biblical inerrancy to the extent of accepting young-earth creationism and a literal worldwide Flood likely have little interest in college-level learning. They might attend bible schools whose degrees aren't worth the fake parchment on which they are printed and drop out.
The real difference is between who white voters who identify as evangelicals and those who do not. In the northeast, actual members of evangelical churches are outnumbered by Catholics and Cultural Christians, but many Republicans in the latter category would say they're evangelicals.
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