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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2018, 01:44:29 PM »

I can't imagine him as a Republican anymore. He was socially liberal, supported universal healthcare, common-sense economic regulations, higher taxes on the wealthy, public housing, was an early proponent of civil-rights and had a bold commitment to the environment. In the mid 1960s, New York under his watch spent more on environmental protection that the federal government. If Rocky was alive today, he would be an Establishment Democrat and comfortable with most stances of the party including things like gay marriage. Overall, he was a pragmatist and according to his biographer Richard Norton Smith would have departed from the war on drugs after it turned to be a failure. And he'd despise Trumpism. If you watch is 1971 gubernatorial inauguration speech on YouTube, he sounds much like a modern day Democrat.

He would be a Democrat, but not a particularly left-wing one. He would be like Andrew Cuomo.

He'd be a neoliberal Democrat with no friends and supporters on Atlas.

Not true. I am a fan of the best president there never was Nelson Rockefeller and would certainly still be if he was among us today.
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« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2018, 01:46:58 PM »


Zell retired; he was an old man when he did.  He's 85 now. 

If Zell were 30-40 years younger and Lt. Gov of GA, Miller would be switching parties and running as a Republican.  Zell Miller has never been the conservative he's been made out to be, but he's conservative for a Democrat, and nowadays, he'd be unacceptable as a pro-life Democrat, even in GA. 

If Nelson Rockefeller were running for Governor for the first time today, he'd be running as a Democrat.  Rockefeller was always a social liberal, and if he were running today, he'd probably be OK with the social liberalism of today.  He signed NY's liberal abortion law prior to Roe v. Wade, and he did so at a time when digging into the Democrats' share of the Catholic vote was vital to win in NY.   

Zell Miller was far more opportunistic than conservative. He always had been. His switching from Liberal to conservative was an ongoing record of his long before he joined Fox News to become their pet anti democrat Democrat.

In regards to the question, Rockefeller would surely be a Democrat today, the same as Bloomberg. Rocky only went conservative ish, particularly in the war on drugs, because he was indeed running for president in 76 before he decided against it for various reasons, and was doing so purely as a method of becoming at least palatable to the right wing.
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2018, 01:56:35 PM »

My dad calls himself a Rockefeller Republican. He is still a registered Republican, but he hasn’t voted Republican since at least 2008, maybe before.

Voted Republican because I doubt that Rockefeller would’ve changed either.
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2018, 02:19:22 PM »

Democrat or Bloomberg-esque Independent. He's probably the only President/Vice-President in the modern era (i.e. post-New Deal) that would be in a different party today to what he actually was.

It's hard to see why Bloomberg doesn't just call himself a Democrat at this point other than just trying to be cool. Maybe he's a little to the right of the Clinton-esq neo-liberals on economics, but he's still to the left of Republicans. He's liberal on pretty much everything else.
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2018, 02:33:01 PM »

Democrat or Bloomberg-esque Independent. He's probably the only President/Vice-President in the modern era (i.e. post-New Deal) that would be in a different party today to what he actually was.

It's hard to see why Bloomberg doesn't just call himself a Democrat at this point other than just trying to be cool. Maybe he's a little to the right of the Clinton-esq neo-liberals on economics, but he's still to the left of Republicans. He's liberal on pretty much everything else.

Wasnt Bloomberg a Democrat in the 1990s
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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2018, 02:42:17 PM »

Democrat or Bloomberg-esque Independent. He's probably the only President/Vice-President in the modern era (i.e. post-New Deal) that would be in a different party today to what he actually was.

It's hard to see why Bloomberg doesn't just call himself a Democrat at this point other than just trying to be cool. Maybe he's a little to the right of the Clinton-esq neo-liberals on economics, but he's still to the left of Republicans. He's liberal on pretty much everything else.

Wasnt Bloomberg a Democrat in the 1990s
Yes. Bloomberg was a Democrat until 2001.
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2018, 05:26:05 PM »


Zell retired; he was an old man when he did.  He's 85 now. 

If Zell were 30-40 years younger and Lt. Gov of GA, Miller would be switching parties and running as a Republican.  Zell Miller has never been the conservative he's been made out to be, but he's conservative for a Democrat, and nowadays, he'd be unacceptable as a pro-life Democrat, even in GA. 

If Nelson Rockefeller were running for Governor for the first time today, he'd be running as a Democrat.  Rockefeller was always a social liberal, and if he were running today, he'd probably be OK with the social liberalism of today.  He signed NY's liberal abortion law prior to Roe v. Wade, and he did so at a time when digging into the Democrats' share of the Catholic vote was vital to win in NY.   

Zell Miller was far more opportunistic than conservative. He always had been. His switching from Liberal to conservative was an ongoing record of his long before he joined Fox News to become their pet anti democrat Democrat.

In regards to the question, Rockefeller would surely be a Democrat today, the same as Bloomberg. Rocky only went conservative ish, particularly in the war on drugs, because he was indeed running for president in 76 before he decided against it for various reasons, and was doing so purely as a method of becoming at least palatable to the right wing.

IIRC almost getting defeated for reelection in 1994 spooked him and caused his abrupt shift to the right in the final years of his governorship and in his Senate career. He didn't want to be running against the political wind of his state.
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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2018, 06:44:07 PM »

He was barely a Republican even then. I don't really think his views are substantially different from establishment Dems today. Maybe a little harder line on crime/drugs when he was governor of New York, but then again Clinton was plenty tough on crime when he was president.

The underlined part is NOT true.  Rockefeller was not a CONSERVATIVE, but he was very much a REPUBLICAN.

Nelson Rockefeller controlled the Republican Party in NY State.  Conservatives who didn't like Rockefeller and his spending left the GOP and formed NY's Conservative Party, but this was a very small portion of Republicans.

Here's where Rockefeller stood in his last three years of office:

1.   Two Republican Senators (albeit one an anti-Rockefeller conservative, James Buckley)
2.   All but one statewide official a Republican (the exception being Comptroller Arthur Levitt)
3.   Both Houses of the Legislature in Republican Control
4.   Control of the GOP Apparatus, including both the State Committee and the County Chairs

And he beat quality opponents:

A    Averill Harriman, incumbent Governor and Diplomat
B    Robert Morganthau, who became a Federal Prosecutor and Manhattan District Attorney
C    Frank O'Connor, President of tne NY City Council (now, it's the "Public Advocate")
D    Arthur Goldberg, former SCOTUS Associate Justice and UN Ambassador

He was far more of a Republican than Jacob Javits.  Javits was a Senator whose record would have been acceptable for a liberal Democrat.  Rockefeller was never cross-endorsed by NY's Liberal Party as Javits was, he was a center-right politician who leaned leftward from where he was positioned.  He was a big spender on infrastructure, and he made peace with public employee unions, but he tilted right on crime as drugs became an issue. And Rockefeller (unlike Javits) was NOT the conspicuous dove on Vietnam; he was rather hawkish, but he actually spoke very little on the subject of the war.  There is not a single Governor today that I can think of that dominated his state the way Nelson Rockefeller dominated New York.

I have no doubt that Rockefeller resigned the Governorship in late 1973 to run for President in 1976.  He did so to avoid losing re-election (it would have been his fifth term) and he wanted to ensure that his personal Lt. Governor, Malcolm Wilson, would be his successor.  It wasn't to be.  Wilson was creamed in 1974 by Democrat Hugh Carey (my favorite Democratic politician of all time) and his tenure as VP had an unhappy ending.  His giving the finger to a crowd of hecklers during the 1976 campaign was rather unlike Rockefeller, and I've come to see that as the gesture of a man who was frustrated that his dream of the Presidency was not going to come true.  By that time, the GOP had become a far more culturally conservative party than it had been, and Rockefeller had already weighed in on the wrong side of the abortion issue and capital punishment.  In truth, the Goldwater crowd could never stomach him, and nothing he ever did brought them to view him as a compromise; he seemed far more conservative to Democrats than he did to Republicans.

His legacy is amazing.  The State University system.  The NY State Thruway.  The Albany Mall.  Improvements in NY State Parks.  Urban renewal and slum clearance projects (there were controversies around these, but the old buildings were falling apart).  Tuition assistance for middle class folks for college.  Rockefeller did BIG things that made New York the EMPIRE State.  He had his critics.  But he was Governor in the post-Eisenhower era of New York, and he was a Great Governor.

Today, men like Nelson Rockefeller would likely not run for public office, due to financial disclosures.  The Rockefeller family was not wild about the disclosures of Rockefeller finances Nelson Rockefeller had to make during his confirmation hearings as VP.  That's too bad, and in more ways than one.  The best men and women don't run for public office now because of what will become of their lives due to the experience.
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