Is there any John McCain-types left in GOP? Who are they?
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« on: August 25, 2018, 07:41:13 PM »

Are they any John McCain-types left in the Republican Party today? Military credentials? Western state representation?

Who are they?
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2018, 07:43:27 PM »

No, just grifters and bigots.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2018, 07:51:17 PM »

Had he won his race, General Joe Heck seemed to have the potential.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2018, 07:57:15 PM »

Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski may or may not be trying to claim McCain's maverick label.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2018, 08:02:48 PM »

Idk, they’re very few and far between. I’d say the best we got are Jeff Flake and Joe Heck. Maybe Sasse if you push the western state definition.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2018, 08:12:20 PM »

Nope.
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2018, 08:27:49 PM »

There are republicans in the Senate who, while not possessing his military stature, are also great senators such as Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman. It's also important to remember the same democrats who are holding up McCain as an example of honor also called him a warmonger and compared him to Hitler for years
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2018, 08:42:53 PM »

There are republicans in the Senate who, while not possessing his military stature, are also great senators such as Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman. It's also important to remember the same democrats who are holding up McCain as an example of honor also called him a warmonger and compared him to Hitler for years

McCain was a warmonger.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2018, 09:16:05 PM »

There are republicans in the Senate who, while not possessing his military stature, are also great senators such as Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman. It's also important to remember the same democrats who are holding up McCain as an example of honor also called him a warmonger and compared him to Hitler for years

McCain was a warmonger in a sense, too aggressive on foreign policy like Cheney, Lieberman, Graham, S. Hayes, Giuliani, Tommy Franks, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2018, 09:25:09 PM »

McCain was more of a neocon Democrat than a Republican.  I don't believe that he was particularly engaged in domestic issues, except as how they tied into military and foreign policy.  Had he been a Democrat, he'd have had a voting record a lot like Lieberman, and would have been an heir to the Scoop Jackson tradition, IMO.
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2018, 10:23:33 PM »

McCain was more of a neocon Democrat than a Republican.  I don't believe that he was particularly engaged in domestic issues, except as how they tied into military and foreign policy.  Had he been a Democrat, he'd have had a voting record a lot like Lieberman, and would have been an heir to the Scoop Jackson tradition, IMO.

The thing is, he wasn't particularly hawkish when he first started out in Congress, and in fact, in his first term in the House, criticized Reagan's decision to deploy troops to Lebanon.  He seemed to flip in the 90s though, and became an Uber-hawk.
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2018, 10:27:47 PM »

He was a fairly standard conservative Republican who just happened to feud frequently with GOP Presidents. His Democratic friend and fellow Senator Russ Feingold was very much the same way - though for more policy-based reasons.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2018, 10:30:50 PM »

McCain was more of a neocon Democrat than a Republican.  I don't believe that he was particularly engaged in domestic issues, except as how they tied into military and foreign policy.  Had he been a Democrat, he'd have had a voting record a lot like Lieberman, and would have been an heir to the Scoop Jackson tradition, IMO.

The thing is, he wasn't particularly hawkish when he first started out in Congress, and in fact, in his first term in the House, criticized Reagan's decision to deploy troops to Lebanon.  He seemed to flip in the 90s though, and became an Uber-hawk.

McCain wasn't dumb enough to advocate a straight-up confrontation with the USSR.  Besides, it was a time where the Reagan Administration was pursuing more covert means in combating the Soviets.

McCain's voting record was pretty much in line with the GOP on domestic policy.  I don't want to make it seem that he was more liberal on economics than he was.  I just didn't see any real guiding conservative principles on THOSE issues, however, and I do think he could have switched to the Democrats and been comfortable with the accomodations in his voting record on domestic issues he'd have had to make.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2018, 10:31:03 PM »

He was a fairly standard conservative Republican who just happened to feud frequently with GOP Presidents. His Democratic friend and fellow Senator Russ Feingold was very much the same way - though for more policy-based reasons.

He wasn't feuding with Bush here. Not pictured: Hurricane Katrina

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2018, 10:37:03 PM »

Yes.

Pretty much all congressional Republicans have similar voting records to McCain. I respect the man for his service to his country, but there is no bigger myth in politics then McCain being out of step with his party.
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2018, 10:14:25 AM »


So in other words, John McCain types.

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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2018, 10:19:33 AM »

He was a fairly standard conservative Republican who just happened to feud frequently with GOP Presidents. His Democratic friend and fellow Senator Russ Feingold was very much the same way - though for more policy-based reasons.

He wasn't feuding with Bush here. Not pictured: Hurricane Katrina



I mean, he doesn't have to be feuding 24/7. You can do nice, cheery photo ops for 60% of the time, and fight the president 40% of the time and still have it qualify as feuding. Or something like that.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2018, 10:22:31 AM »

Hope not.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2018, 12:02:19 PM »

I think of him primarily as a conservative with centrist tendencies. So I would say Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham, Rob Portman, and Bob Corker (of course, two of those four are retiring...)
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2018, 12:07:21 PM »

There are republicans in the Senate who, while not possessing his military stature, are also great senators such as Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman. It's also important to remember the same democrats who are holding up McCain as an example of honor also called him a warmonger and compared him to Hitler for years

You'll pardon me, but what have any of these guys done that suggests greatness?

Sasse, maybe; he's shown some courage.  But the others?
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2018, 12:26:34 PM »

There are republicans in the Senate who, while not possessing his military stature, are also great senators such as Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman. It's also important to remember the same democrats who are holding up McCain as an example of honor also called him a warmonger and compared him to Hitler for years

You'll pardon me, but what have any of these guys done that suggests greatness?

Sasse, maybe; he's shown some courage.  But the others?

I've always had a strong dislike for Rubio in particular. He's a weak flunky who votes the GOP line and occasionally voices mealy mouthed criticism, but little more.
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2018, 12:34:56 PM »

If anybody here was capable of seeing past their blind hatred of Trump, they'd realize that he is actually a lot more centrist/libertarian on social issues than guys like GWB or Romney. For instance, I can't imagine either one of those two letting a homosexual speak at their conventions or being open to medical marijuana. Trump might even be to the left of McCain in some respects.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2018, 01:47:20 PM »

There are republicans in the Senate who, while not possessing his military stature, are also great senators such as Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio, and Rob Portman. It's also important to remember the same democrats who are holding up McCain as an example of honor also called him a warmonger and compared him to Hitler for years

You'll pardon me, but what have any of these guys done that suggests greatness?

Sasse, maybe; he's shown some courage.  But the others?

I've always had a strong dislike for Rubio in particular. He's a weak flunky who votes the GOP line and occasionally voices mealy mouthed criticism, but little more.

Yeah, Rubio sucks.

He is a pure creation of the beltway press and pundit class. I don't think I have ever seen a candidate get so much backing from the press during their presidential run. 2008 Obama was close, but at least Obama had some depth and was skilled/crafty enough to take advantage of the favorable coverage. Rubio, on the other hand, is a know-nothing and wasted that opportunity.

Like imagine if Clinton got that kind of treatment in 2016? She would have won by the biggest landslide since HW.
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2018, 01:52:38 PM »

Sasse is a lot like Flake.

He "scolds" the President when he says or does something stupid and then dumb pundits, liberals, and nevertrumpers praise him, while continues to do nothing but vote for Trump 98% of the time.

And before some blue hack say I am being unfair, I don't expect guys like Sasse and Flake to become liberals, but they have the power to get some concessions out the administration and they fail to use it.
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2018, 02:06:19 PM »

John McCain heorism shouldn't be overplayed, he was a yes vote for Kavanaugh and many of the Judgeships that Dubya and Trump affirmed and picked Sarah Palin, who was not ready for the job.
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