Ex-Trump World Tower doorman: Trump had affair resulting in a child

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

It's a shame you folks on the left made a big stink 20 years ago about how private sexual peccadilloes of the president shouldn't be held against them. Now you all come across as blatant, hollow hypocrites for criticizing a Republican president for the very things you defended against Clinton.

Love the morality lesson from Mr. Ross Catalog model who made a whiny, cucked  post about a women mod on here LOL

[KingSweden]

The OP is dumb enough to believe this, but the rest of you? C'mon.

I’m actually pretty skeptical of this and am hardly a Trump fan.

I’m indifferent to this specific claim, but let’s be honest, this is exactly the type of thing that would happen with Trump.

Oh, sure. Absolutely.

[Banana Republican]

It's a shame you folks on the left made a big stink 20 years ago about how private sexual peccadilloes of the president shouldn't be held against them. Now you all come across as blatant, hollow hypocrites for criticizing a Republican president for the very things you defended against Clinton.

Nah. Basically the interest surrounding this comes down to what President Johnson mentioned, namely that we are all just hoping that it will turn out that Trump paid for an abortion, so that we can laugh and watch the evangelicals squirm.

Another area of interest is if Trump may have any connection to Russian mafia sex trafficking, which is most definitely not a matter of private sexual peccadilloes.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I wonder how the evangelicals including Mike Pence would react if the God Emperor paid for an abortion? Probably they still wouldn't care as long as he appoints one of their own to the Supreme Court. Total hypocrisy anyway, Barack Obama would have been impeached for just a fraction of scandals.

Talking to you on this topic is different than talking to ProudModerate2 and company, for a variety of reasons.  I have a lot more faith in your good motives and objectivity.

Consider the following:

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Which son is Trump, and which son is Obama?  Which son, as President, has done more of the work of the Father, from a Christian perspective?

On abortion?

On marriage and family?

On Israel?

On the overall secularization of our society?

On acknowledging the Christian Foundations of our Republic?

On homosexuality, as it pertains to the Church (e. g. the Cake Baker issue)?

Obama is a man who has, in many ways, done the will of the Father in his lifetime, who spent much of his Presidency advancing policy that was NOT in line with the will of the Father, and pushed for much public policy that would encourage people to NOT do the will of the Father, and, indeed, drive them further from God.

Trump is a man who, in many ways, has blown off God and his dictates in his lifetime, whose Presidency has advanced policy that was in line with the will of the Father, and which would encourage people TO do the will of the Father, indeed, drawing them closer to God.

Are Evangelical Christians really hypocrites?  I don't mean those who are blatantly living secretly sinful lives.  I mean folks who cited Bill Clinton's immoralities (that not only involved his private life,  but the results of the advocacy of some of his policies) that are alive today having found themselves in 2016 with a choice between a woman who is anti-Christian in her public policy advocacies, and a man who was (and, sadly, still is) rather un-Christian in his public persona, but who advocated public policy that was far more aligned with Scripture than his opponent.  Which of these two (2) folks, for example, would have done more of the Father's Will to date; Hillary Rodham Clinton, or Donald John Trump?  That's the question Christians had to ponder in 2016; the "going forward" issue.  If you want to say that, going forward, Hillary Clinton would have been a "better President", that's one thing, but if you want to say that Hillary Clinton would have done a better job of lining her policy up with the Will of God, I would question that.

Now, personally, I am not in perfect sync with what most Evangelicals believe in as being "Godly Public Policy".  I do not believe Scripture mandates the Death Penalty; indeed, I believe that the New Testament forbids it.  I do believe that on some of "the least of my brethren" issues, Hillary would have been more Biblically correct than Trump.  And while Hillary endorses a Utopian Vision of the World, which is anti-Biblical, Trump does endorse some of the excesses of nationalism, which is un-Biblical, and, unfortunately, some of the latter has crept into the Church to the point where it has resulted in un-Scriptural teachings.  (God, by the way, holds His Teachers to a higher standard because of the responsibility they take on when they become teachers, and I do not believe He is happy about this.)

I am sharing this with you not to defend Donald Trump; he's a big boy and can defend himself.  I am sharing this to defend my Brethren in Christ, and to show the choice THEY face in voting.  If you believe that Evangelicals dismiss voting for a Democrat without any real prayerful consideration, you may be right, but it is also true that the Democratic Party's candidates and spokespersons have become more vocally hostile toward Evangelical Christians by the year.  I still vote for Democrats, but this posturing by Democrats has actually caused me to actually self-identify as a Republican; so alienating has the Democratic Party's spokespersons been to myself, who was once a partisan and politically active Democrat who's registered Republican status, up until now, has been quite a nominal thing.

I'm not going to tell people that Donald Trump is a good Christian man.  I don't know that he's a Christian, and I've not heard anything from him that I would consider to meet Biblical standards as a confession of Saving Faith, although it's possible that he has made such a confession.  It's quite possible he meant it if he made such a statement, and I don't rule it out that he was sincere when and if he made such a confession.  I note that the worst allegations against Trump all seem to be regarding behavior that happened over a decade ago.  But I don't know this, and I'm not going to pretend that Trump is what he hasn't said he is.  That, to me is the right issue with Christians; the issue of being honest with who and what Donald Trump has presented himself to be.  

Having voted for Bill Clinton twice, I suppose that's easier for me to do than it is for many who have been committed Christian conservatives for decades; I don't PERSONALLY share the contradiction that they do.  I do think that their dilemma is real when they go vote, but I view labeling them all as hypocrites as more than a little unfair.

[twenty42]

It's a shame you folks on the left made a big stink 20 years ago about how private sexual peccadilloes of the president shouldn't be held against them. Now you all come across as blatant, hollow hypocrites for criticizing a Republican president for the very things you defended against Clinton.

Love the morality lesson from Mr. Ross Catalog model who made a whiny, cucked  post about a women mod on here LOL

I'm pretty sure it's your side giving the morality lessons in this thread. Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came on the scene...but now you are more obsessed with the president's penis than you are with the economy or the world stage.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

It's a shame you folks on the left made a big stink 20 years ago about how private sexual peccadilloes of the president shouldn't be held against them. Now you all come across as blatant, hollow hypocrites for criticizing a Republican president for the very things you defended against Clinton.

Love the morality lesson from Mr. Ross Catalog model who made a whiny, cucked  post about a women mod on here LOL

I'm pretty sure it's your side giving the morality lessons in this thread. Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came on the scene...but now you are more obsessed with the president's penis than you are with the economy or the world stage.

Apparently you can't identify images either. I'm clearly not a demcrat.

And whatever you are rambling about, the point is you made a weak and cucked thread where you cried about a mean person on the internet.

[Dabeav]

The detractors are coming out of the woodwork now...anyone that wants their 15 minutes.

[ProudModerate2]

It's a shame you folks on the left made a big stink 20 years ago about how private sexual peccadilloes of the president shouldn't be held against them. Now you all come across as blatant, hollow hypocrites for criticizing a Republican president for the very things you defended against Clinton.

Love the morality lesson from Mr. Ross Catalog model who made a whiny, cucked  post about a women mod on here LOL

I'm pretty sure it's your side giving the morality lessons in this thread. Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came on the scene...but now you are more obsessed with the president's penis than you are with the economy or the world stage.

Apparently you can't identify images either. I'm clearly not a demcrat.
And whatever you are rambling about, the point is you made a weak and cucked thread where you cried about a mean person on the internet.

LOL.
I was thinking the same thing. Redneck Conservative is clearly not a Democrat or a liberal.
twenty42 falls apart, because he has nothing but "left" and "lib" ammunition to use and anything else thrown at him, "does not compute." His (one-directional) brain cant process and handle the situation; a clear sign of trump-cultism.

[twenty42]

It's a shame you folks on the left made a big stink 20 years ago about how private sexual peccadilloes of the president shouldn't be held against them. Now you all come across as blatant, hollow hypocrites for criticizing a Republican president for the very things you defended against Clinton.

Love the morality lesson from Mr. Ross Catalog model who made a whiny, cucked  post about a women mod on here LOL

I'm pretty sure it's your side giving the morality lessons in this thread. Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came on the scene...but now you are more obsessed with the president's penis than you are with the economy or the world stage.

Apparently you can't identify images either. I'm clearly not a demcrat.
And whatever you are rambling about, the point is you made a weak and cucked thread where you cried about a mean person on the internet.

LOL.
I was thinking the same thing. Redneck Conservative is clearly not a Democrat or a liberal.
twenty42 falls apart, because he has nothing but "left" and "lib" ammunition to use and anything else thrown at him, "does not compute." His (one-directional) brain cant process and handle the situation; a clear sign of trump-cultism.

Yet none of you can make an argument as to why what was OK for Clinton is not OK for Trump. Y'all resort to personal attacks when you can't formulate a logical counterargument, but I'm used to that.

[Technocracy Timmy]

but I'm used to that.

Thank you for being the hero atlas needs.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came

[Progressive Pessimist]

Didn't we already know about these allegations? I guess these stories deserve to be rehashed from time to tim. So much awful happens with Trump that the average human brain cannot retain memories of it all! Hopefully evolution will eventually fix this. It's in humanity's best interest to not forget, as much as we may want to.

By the way, when it comes to the "hur hur Democrats used to love sex until Trump derangement syndrome!" rhetoric, the point is the hypocrisy, once again, from the right when it comes to an issue like this. We don't make any pretense about "purity" or "family values" but those 85% of evangelicals and other culture war Republicans certainly have. Yet, as always, we see them contorting themselves to defend a man that they should be condemning. Consistency is not that difficult.

[Panda Express]

Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came

This is dumb. Pretty sure most liberals (hell, most anybody) would find cheating on your wife to go rawdog a pornstar right after she gave birth to her child to be rather disgusting.

[Brittain33]

I don't see Democrats criticizing Trump for cheating, really. You see Democrats calling out hypocrisy of *his voters* deciding they're ok with it after parading around "family values" and criticizing Clinton, plus about the campaign finance violations related to his cheating. People are calling out hypocrisy. I don't think many Democrats really care that much that Donald cheats on his wife because we know he's a moral dumpster fire and all we care about is that he not be damaging the country.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came

This is dumb. Pretty sure most liberals (hell, most anybody) would find cheating on your wife to go rawdog a pornstar right after she gave birth to her child to be rather disgusting.

We are a nation that elected Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, knowing what they were/are.  We have been a sexually overstimulated nation for decades now.  America is grossed out at things like this at one level, but not another; they don't want Trump or Clinton to marry their daughter, but they're OK with their policies.

In nominating George H. W. Bush for President at the 1992 RNC, Labor Sec. Lynn Martin stated, several times as I remember, "You cannot be one kind of man and another kind of President!"  A good deal of the "Character Counts" initiatives in the 1990s were GOP subliminal attacks on Clinton, but Clinton, oddly enough, proved that you could, indeed, be one kind of man and another kind of President.

In many ways, Trump is just taking this to the next level.

[Abolish ICE]

Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came

This is dumb. Pretty sure most liberals (hell, most anybody) would find cheating on your wife to go rawdog a pornstar right after she gave birth to her child to be rather disgusting.

We are a nation that elected Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, knowing what they were/are.  We have been a sexually overstimulated nation for decades now.  America is grossed out at things like this at one level, but not another; they don't want Trump or Clinton to marry their daughter, but they're OK with their policies.

In nominating George H. W. Bush for President at the 1992 RNC, Labor Sec. Lynn Martin stated, several times as I remember, "You cannot be one kind of man and another kind of President!"  A good deal of the "Character Counts" initiatives in the 1990s were GOP subliminal attacks on Clinton, but Clinton, oddly enough, proved that you could, indeed, be one kind of man and another kind of President.

In many ways, Trump is just taking this to the next level.

Obama is really the first family values President we’ve had in a long time.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Democrats were the party of sexual freedom until Trump came

This is dumb. Pretty sure most liberals (hell, most anybody) would find cheating on your wife to go rawdog a pornstar right after she gave birth to her child to be rather disgusting.

We are a nation that elected Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, knowing what they were/are.  We have been a sexually overstimulated nation for decades now.  America is grossed out at things like this at one level, but not another; they don't want Trump or Clinton to marry their daughter, but they're OK with their policies.

In nominating George H. W. Bush for President at the 1992 RNC, Labor Sec. Lynn Martin stated, several times as I remember, "You cannot be one kind of man and another kind of President!"  A good deal of the "Character Counts" initiatives in the 1990s were GOP subliminal attacks on Clinton, but Clinton, oddly enough, proved that you could, indeed, be one kind of man and another kind of President.

In many ways, Trump is just taking this to the next level.

Obama is really the first family values President we’ve had in a long time.

I'll give Bush 43 some props in that regard.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

I wonder how the evangelicals including Mike Pence would react if the God Emperor paid for an abortion? Probably they still wouldn't care as long as he appoints one of their own to the Supreme Court. Total hypocrisy anyway, Barack Obama would have been impeached for just a fraction of scandals.

Talking to you on this topic is different than talking to ProudModerate2 and company, for a variety of reasons.  I have a lot more faith in your good motives and objectivity.

Consider the following:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Which son is Trump, and which son is Obama?  Which son, as President, has done more of the work of the Father, from a Christian perspective?

On abortion?

On marriage and family?

On Israel?

On the overall secularization of our society?

On acknowledging the Christian Foundations of our Republic?

On homosexuality, as it pertains to the Church (e. g. the Cake Baker issue)?

Obama is a man who has, in many ways, done the will of the Father in his lifetime, who spent much of his Presidency advancing policy that was NOT in line with the will of the Father, and pushed for much public policy that would encourage people to NOT do the will of the Father, and, indeed, drive them further from God.

Trump is a man who, in many ways, has blown off God and his dictates in his lifetime, whose Presidency has advanced policy that was in line with the will of the Father, and which would encourage people TO do the will of the Father, indeed, drawing them closer to God.

Are Evangelical Christians really hypocrites?  I don't mean those who are blatantly living secretly sinful lives.  I mean folks who cited Bill Clinton's immoralities (that not only involved his private life,  but the results of the advocacy of some of his policies) that are alive today having found themselves in 2016 with a choice between a woman who is anti-Christian in her public policy advocacies, and a man who was (and, sadly, still is) rather un-Christian in his public persona, but who advocated public policy that was far more aligned with Scripture than his opponent.  Which of these two (2) folks, for example, would have done more of the Father's Will to date; Hillary Rodham Clinton, or Donald John Trump?  That's the question Christians had to ponder in 2016; the "going forward" issue.  If you want to say that, going forward, Hillary Clinton would have been a "better President", that's one thing, but if you want to say that Hillary Clinton would have done a better job of lining her policy up with the Will of God, I would question that.

Now, personally, I am not in perfect sync with what most Evangelicals believe in as being "Godly Public Policy".  I do not believe Scripture mandates the Death Penalty; indeed, I believe that the New Testament forbids it.  I do believe that on some of "the least of my brethren" issues, Hillary would have been more Biblically correct than Trump.  And while Hillary endorses a Utopian Vision of the World, which is anti-Biblical, Trump does endorse some of the excesses of nationalism, which is un-Biblical, and, unfortunately, some of the latter has crept into the Church to the point where it has resulted in un-Scriptural teachings.  (God, by the way, holds His Teachers to a higher standard because of the responsibility they take on when they become teachers, and I do not believe He is happy about this.)

I am sharing this with you not to defend Donald Trump; he's a big boy and can defend himself.  I am sharing this to defend my Brethren in Christ, and to show the choice THEY face in voting.  If you believe that Evangelicals dismiss voting for a Democrat without any real prayerful consideration, you may be right, but it is also true that the Democratic Party's candidates and spokespersons have become more vocally hostile toward Evangelical Christians by the year.  I still vote for Democrats, but this posturing by Democrats has actually caused me to actually self-identify as a Republican; so alienating has the Democratic Party's spokespersons been to myself, who was once a partisan and politically active Democrat who's registered Republican status, up until now, has been quite a nominal thing.

I'm not going to tell people that Donald Trump is a good Christian man.  I don't know that he's a Christian, and I've not heard anything from him that I would consider to meet Biblical standards as a confession of Saving Faith, although it's possible that he has made such a confession.  It's quite possible he meant it if he made such a statement, and I don't rule it out that he was sincere when and if he made such a confession.  I note that the worst allegations against Trump all seem to be regarding behavior that happened over a decade ago.  But I don't know this, and I'm not going to pretend that Trump is what he hasn't said he is.  That, to me is the right issue with Christians; the issue of being honest with who and what Donald Trump has presented himself to be.  

Having voted for Bill Clinton twice, I suppose that's easier for me to do than it is for many who have been committed Christian conservatives for decades; I don't PERSONALLY share the contradiction that they do.  I do think that their dilemma is real when they go vote, but I view labeling them all as hypocrites as more than a little unfair.

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I wonder how the evangelicals including Mike Pence would react if the God Emperor paid for an abortion? Probably they still wouldn't care as long as he appoints one of their own to the Supreme Court. Total hypocrisy anyway, Barack Obama would have been impeached for just a fraction of scandals.

Talking to you on this topic is different than talking to ProudModerate2 and company, for a variety of reasons.  I have a lot more faith in your good motives and objectivity.

Consider the following:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Which son is Trump, and which son is Obama?  Which son, as President, has done more of the work of the Father, from a Christian perspective?

On abortion?

On marriage and family?

On Israel?

On the overall secularization of our society?

On acknowledging the Christian Foundations of our Republic?

On homosexuality, as it pertains to the Church (e. g. the Cake Baker issue)?

Obama is a man who has, in many ways, done the will of the Father in his lifetime, who spent much of his Presidency advancing policy that was NOT in line with the will of the Father, and pushed for much public policy that would encourage people to NOT do the will of the Father, and, indeed, drive them further from God.

Trump is a man who, in many ways, has blown off God and his dictates in his lifetime, whose Presidency has advanced policy that was in line with the will of the Father, and which would encourage people TO do the will of the Father, indeed, drawing them closer to God.

Are Evangelical Christians really hypocrites?  I don't mean those who are blatantly living secretly sinful lives.  I mean folks who cited Bill Clinton's immoralities (that not only involved his private life,  but the results of the advocacy of some of his policies) that are alive today having found themselves in 2016 with a choice between a woman who is anti-Christian in her public policy advocacies, and a man who was (and, sadly, still is) rather un-Christian in his public persona, but who advocated public policy that was far more aligned with Scripture than his opponent.  Which of these two (2) folks, for example, would have done more of the Father's Will to date; Hillary Rodham Clinton, or Donald John Trump?  That's the question Christians had to ponder in 2016; the "going forward" issue.  If you want to say that, going forward, Hillary Clinton would have been a "better President", that's one thing, but if you want to say that Hillary Clinton would have done a better job of lining her policy up with the Will of God, I would question that.

Now, personally, I am not in perfect sync with what most Evangelicals believe in as being "Godly Public Policy".  I do not believe Scripture mandates the Death Penalty; indeed, I believe that the New Testament forbids it.  I do believe that on some of "the least of my brethren" issues, Hillary would have been more Biblically correct than Trump.  And while Hillary endorses a Utopian Vision of the World, which is anti-Biblical, Trump does endorse some of the excesses of nationalism, which is un-Biblical, and, unfortunately, some of the latter has crept into the Church to the point where it has resulted in un-Scriptural teachings.  (God, by the way, holds His Teachers to a higher standard because of the responsibility they take on when they become teachers, and I do not believe He is happy about this.)

I am sharing this with you not to defend Donald Trump; he's a big boy and can defend himself.  I am sharing this to defend my Brethren in Christ, and to show the choice THEY face in voting.  If you believe that Evangelicals dismiss voting for a Democrat without any real prayerful consideration, you may be right, but it is also true that the Democratic Party's candidates and spokespersons have become more vocally hostile toward Evangelical Christians by the year.  I still vote for Democrats, but this posturing by Democrats has actually caused me to actually self-identify as a Republican; so alienating has the Democratic Party's spokespersons been to myself, who was once a partisan and politically active Democrat who's registered Republican status, up until now, has been quite a nominal thing.

I'm not going to tell people that Donald Trump is a good Christian man.  I don't know that he's a Christian, and I've not heard anything from him that I would consider to meet Biblical standards as a confession of Saving Faith, although it's possible that he has made such a confession.  It's quite possible he meant it if he made such a statement, and I don't rule it out that he was sincere when and if he made such a confession.  I note that the worst allegations against Trump all seem to be regarding behavior that happened over a decade ago.  But I don't know this, and I'm not going to pretend that Trump is what he hasn't said he is.  That, to me is the right issue with Christians; the issue of being honest with who and what Donald Trump has presented himself to be.  

Having voted for Bill Clinton twice, I suppose that's easier for me to do than it is for many who have been committed Christian conservatives for decades; I don't PERSONALLY share the contradiction that they do.  I do think that their dilemma is real when they go vote, but I view labeling them all as hypocrites as more than a little unfair.

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

I hear that a lot.  Does this mean that men and women, motivated by their Biblical Christian faith, cannot hold public office.  Or that voters must not judge who they vote for on Biblical principles?

Does that mean that a policy initiative advanced by fervent Christians is automatically unconstitutional because of the beliefs and motives of the sponsors?

Does that mean that fervent Christians are to be excluded from the political process?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

I wonder how the evangelicals including Mike Pence would react if the God Emperor paid for an abortion? Probably they still wouldn't care as long as he appoints one of their own to the Supreme Court. Total hypocrisy anyway, Barack Obama would have been impeached for just a fraction of scandals.

Talking to you on this topic is different than talking to ProudModerate2 and company, for a variety of reasons.  I have a lot more faith in your good motives and objectivity.

Consider the following:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Which son is Trump, and which son is Obama?  Which son, as President, has done more of the work of the Father, from a Christian perspective?

On abortion?

On marriage and family?

On Israel?

On the overall secularization of our society?

On acknowledging the Christian Foundations of our Republic?

On homosexuality, as it pertains to the Church (e. g. the Cake Baker issue)?

Obama is a man who has, in many ways, done the will of the Father in his lifetime, who spent much of his Presidency advancing policy that was NOT in line with the will of the Father, and pushed for much public policy that would encourage people to NOT do the will of the Father, and, indeed, drive them further from God.

Trump is a man who, in many ways, has blown off God and his dictates in his lifetime, whose Presidency has advanced policy that was in line with the will of the Father, and which would encourage people TO do the will of the Father, indeed, drawing them closer to God.

Are Evangelical Christians really hypocrites?  I don't mean those who are blatantly living secretly sinful lives.  I mean folks who cited Bill Clinton's immoralities (that not only involved his private life,  but the results of the advocacy of some of his policies) that are alive today having found themselves in 2016 with a choice between a woman who is anti-Christian in her public policy advocacies, and a man who was (and, sadly, still is) rather un-Christian in his public persona, but who advocated public policy that was far more aligned with Scripture than his opponent.  Which of these two (2) folks, for example, would have done more of the Father's Will to date; Hillary Rodham Clinton, or Donald John Trump?  That's the question Christians had to ponder in 2016; the "going forward" issue.  If you want to say that, going forward, Hillary Clinton would have been a "better President", that's one thing, but if you want to say that Hillary Clinton would have done a better job of lining her policy up with the Will of God, I would question that.

Now, personally, I am not in perfect sync with what most Evangelicals believe in as being "Godly Public Policy".  I do not believe Scripture mandates the Death Penalty; indeed, I believe that the New Testament forbids it.  I do believe that on some of "the least of my brethren" issues, Hillary would have been more Biblically correct than Trump.  And while Hillary endorses a Utopian Vision of the World, which is anti-Biblical, Trump does endorse some of the excesses of nationalism, which is un-Biblical, and, unfortunately, some of the latter has crept into the Church to the point where it has resulted in un-Scriptural teachings.  (God, by the way, holds His Teachers to a higher standard because of the responsibility they take on when they become teachers, and I do not believe He is happy about this.)

I am sharing this with you not to defend Donald Trump; he's a big boy and can defend himself.  I am sharing this to defend my Brethren in Christ, and to show the choice THEY face in voting.  If you believe that Evangelicals dismiss voting for a Democrat without any real prayerful consideration, you may be right, but it is also true that the Democratic Party's candidates and spokespersons have become more vocally hostile toward Evangelical Christians by the year.  I still vote for Democrats, but this posturing by Democrats has actually caused me to actually self-identify as a Republican; so alienating has the Democratic Party's spokespersons been to myself, who was once a partisan and politically active Democrat who's registered Republican status, up until now, has been quite a nominal thing.

I'm not going to tell people that Donald Trump is a good Christian man.  I don't know that he's a Christian, and I've not heard anything from him that I would consider to meet Biblical standards as a confession of Saving Faith, although it's possible that he has made such a confession.  It's quite possible he meant it if he made such a statement, and I don't rule it out that he was sincere when and if he made such a confession.  I note that the worst allegations against Trump all seem to be regarding behavior that happened over a decade ago.  But I don't know this, and I'm not going to pretend that Trump is what he hasn't said he is.  That, to me is the right issue with Christians; the issue of being honest with who and what Donald Trump has presented himself to be.  

Having voted for Bill Clinton twice, I suppose that's easier for me to do than it is for many who have been committed Christian conservatives for decades; I don't PERSONALLY share the contradiction that they do.  I do think that their dilemma is real when they go vote, but I view labeling them all as hypocrites as more than a little unfair.

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

I hear that a lot.  Does this mean that men and women, motivated by their Biblical Christian faith, cannot hold public office.  Or that voters must not judge who they vote for on Biblical principles?

Does that mean that a policy initiative advanced by fervent Christians is automatically unconstitutional because of the beliefs and motives of the sponsors?

Does that mean that fervent Christians are to be excluded from the political process?

It means that the United States should not and is not governed based on biblical principles, and that a policy should not be supported solely because of those principles. Pretending that Christians are in some way excluded from public service is absurd.

[NewYorkExpress]

Just out of curiosity, are we sure Bill Clinton doesn't have an illegitimate child somewhere?

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I wonder how the evangelicals including Mike Pence would react if the God Emperor paid for an abortion? Probably they still wouldn't care as long as he appoints one of their own to the Supreme Court. Total hypocrisy anyway, Barack Obama would have been impeached for just a fraction of scandals.

Talking to you on this topic is different than talking to ProudModerate2 and company, for a variety of reasons.  I have a lot more faith in your good motives and objectivity.

Consider the following:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

Which son is Trump, and which son is Obama?  Which son, as President, has done more of the work of the Father, from a Christian perspective?

On abortion?

On marriage and family?

On Israel?

On the overall secularization of our society?

On acknowledging the Christian Foundations of our Republic?

On homosexuality, as it pertains to the Church (e. g. the Cake Baker issue)?

Obama is a man who has, in many ways, done the will of the Father in his lifetime, who spent much of his Presidency advancing policy that was NOT in line with the will of the Father, and pushed for much public policy that would encourage people to NOT do the will of the Father, and, indeed, drive them further from God.

Trump is a man who, in many ways, has blown off God and his dictates in his lifetime, whose Presidency has advanced policy that was in line with the will of the Father, and which would encourage people TO do the will of the Father, indeed, drawing them closer to God.

Are Evangelical Christians really hypocrites?  I don't mean those who are blatantly living secretly sinful lives.  I mean folks who cited Bill Clinton's immoralities (that not only involved his private life,  but the results of the advocacy of some of his policies) that are alive today having found themselves in 2016 with a choice between a woman who is anti-Christian in her public policy advocacies, and a man who was (and, sadly, still is) rather un-Christian in his public persona, but who advocated public policy that was far more aligned with Scripture than his opponent.  Which of these two (2) folks, for example, would have done more of the Father's Will to date; Hillary Rodham Clinton, or Donald John Trump?  That's the question Christians had to ponder in 2016; the "going forward" issue.  If you want to say that, going forward, Hillary Clinton would have been a "better President", that's one thing, but if you want to say that Hillary Clinton would have done a better job of lining her policy up with the Will of God, I would question that.

Now, personally, I am not in perfect sync with what most Evangelicals believe in as being "Godly Public Policy".  I do not believe Scripture mandates the Death Penalty; indeed, I believe that the New Testament forbids it.  I do believe that on some of "the least of my brethren" issues, Hillary would have been more Biblically correct than Trump.  And while Hillary endorses a Utopian Vision of the World, which is anti-Biblical, Trump does endorse some of the excesses of nationalism, which is un-Biblical, and, unfortunately, some of the latter has crept into the Church to the point where it has resulted in un-Scriptural teachings.  (God, by the way, holds His Teachers to a higher standard because of the responsibility they take on when they become teachers, and I do not believe He is happy about this.)

I am sharing this with you not to defend Donald Trump; he's a big boy and can defend himself.  I am sharing this to defend my Brethren in Christ, and to show the choice THEY face in voting.  If you believe that Evangelicals dismiss voting for a Democrat without any real prayerful consideration, you may be right, but it is also true that the Democratic Party's candidates and spokespersons have become more vocally hostile toward Evangelical Christians by the year.  I still vote for Democrats, but this posturing by Democrats has actually caused me to actually self-identify as a Republican; so alienating has the Democratic Party's spokespersons been to myself, who was once a partisan and politically active Democrat who's registered Republican status, up until now, has been quite a nominal thing.

I'm not going to tell people that Donald Trump is a good Christian man.  I don't know that he's a Christian, and I've not heard anything from him that I would consider to meet Biblical standards as a confession of Saving Faith, although it's possible that he has made such a confession.  It's quite possible he meant it if he made such a statement, and I don't rule it out that he was sincere when and if he made such a confession.  I note that the worst allegations against Trump all seem to be regarding behavior that happened over a decade ago.  But I don't know this, and I'm not going to pretend that Trump is what he hasn't said he is.  That, to me is the right issue with Christians; the issue of being honest with who and what Donald Trump has presented himself to be.  

Having voted for Bill Clinton twice, I suppose that's easier for me to do than it is for many who have been committed Christian conservatives for decades; I don't PERSONALLY share the contradiction that they do.  I do think that their dilemma is real when they go vote, but I view labeling them all as hypocrites as more than a little unfair.

"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
-Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

I hear that a lot.  Does this mean that men and women, motivated by their Biblical Christian faith, cannot hold public office.  Or that voters must not judge who they vote for on Biblical principles?

Does that mean that a policy initiative advanced by fervent Christians is automatically unconstitutional because of the beliefs and motives of the sponsors?

Does that mean that fervent Christians are to be excluded from the political process?

It means that the United States should not and is not governed based on biblical principles, and that a policy should not be supported solely because of those principles. Pretending that Christians are in some way excluded from public service is absurd.

Are our laws not based on the Ten Commandments?

[KingSweden]

Just out of curiosity, are we sure Bill Clinton doesn't have an illegitimate child somewhere?

It would not surprise me if there was one

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Just out of curiosity, are we sure Bill Clinton doesn't have an illegitimate child somewhere?

It would not surprise me if there was one