Why have the Democrats been the party of age restrictions since the 1980s?

[darklordoftech]

Frank Lautenberg introduced the National Drinking Age Act and had to convince reluctant Republicans (Reagan himself included) to support it, Tipper Gore started the Parents Music Resource Center, Joe Biden introduced the bills that created zero tolerance schools and the sex offender registry, Democrats are more likely to support stricter truancy laws and increased homework loads than Republicans are, Bill Clinton advocated school uniforms, Joe Lieberban and Hillary Clinton tried to make video game ratings enforcable by law, and Obama implemented the school lunch policy and Title IX rape policy (both of which Trump repealed and only the Democrats objected).

Why do Democrats seem to push for these policies more aggressively than Republicans?

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Dems are the party of "HOLLYWOOD" who push for gun control, campaign financing at the same time they push for sex violence and drugs on television.  That's what regulations are.

[Sumner 1868]

Mark Penn was obsessed with locking upper-class women into the Democratic party and this is the sort of things they were paranoid about.

[darklordoftech]

What's interesting to me is that people often blame Reagan and the Religious Right for these things.

[136or142]

What's interesting to me is that people often blame Reagan and the Religious Right for these things.

Because they're responsible as well.  You clearly are not old enough to remember Ed Meese and Bill (William) Bennett.

[Mr. Smith]

And exactly what's so wrong about any of that stuff again?

[136or142]

And exactly what's so wrong about any of that stuff again?

I wrote a song in the mid 1980s called "The PMRC Sucks"

[dead0man]

And exactly what's so wrong about any of that stuff again?

you don't have a problem with music censorship?  zero tolerance in school?  Strict truancy laws?  Why do you hate black people?

Mark Penn was obsessed with locking upper-class women into the Democratic party and this is the sort of things they were paranoid about.

this is the correct answer.  Upper middle class women are the worst people in America.  If a black kid gets the cops called on him for mundane reasons, you can make a good bet that the phone call was made by a woman over the age 30 who drives a new/newer car.  And like a lot of assholes doing nothing but harm, they think they're doing what's best.  They also don't understand why their kids hate them and their husband is never home, they blame that on others too.

[136or142]

And exactly what's so wrong about any of that stuff again?

you don't have a problem with music censorship?  zero tolerance in school?  Strict truancy laws?  Why do you hate black people?

Mark Penn was obsessed with locking upper-class women into the Democratic party and this is the sort of things they were paranoid about.

this is the correct answer.  Upper middle class women are the worst people in America.  If a black kid gets the cops called on him for mundane reasons, you can make a good bet that the phone call was made by a woman over the age 30 who drives a new/newer car.  And like a lot of assholes doing nothing but harm, they think they're doing what's best.  They also don't understand why their kids hate them and their husband is never home, they blame that on others too.

Married upper class white women are generally Republican.  

According to the CNN exit polls, all married women went for Hillary Clinton 49-47 in 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

[dead0man]

yep

[136or142]

yep

There is clearly a cross-over on this: the 'nanny state' Democrats and the authoritarian Republicans agree with each other on most of these issues.

1.If you look, however, at even the PMRC, I think it's false to claim this was a Democratic issue alone. The issue of warning labels on record covers started up in the mid 1980s when Reagan was President and was promoted by his 'moralizing' Attorney General Ed Meese as well as the FCC.

2.On the issue, for example, of Janet Jackson and her 'wardrobe malfunction' at the 2004 Super Bowl.  It was the W. Bush FCC that imposed the $550,000 fine on the CBS and its station affiliates due to the well known evidence that seeing a female nipple will ruin a child for their entire life (or something like that).  

http://adage.com/article/media/cbs-stations-pay-550-000-janet-jackson-indecency-fine/110777/

This was later overturned by the courts

http://adage.com/article/news/court-overrules-fcc-super-bowl-indecency/129789/

The article doesn't mention it, but I believe part of the reasoning by the courts was that the Clinton FCC faced a similar incident and chose not to levy a fine. So it was argued that it was not reasonable for CBS to expect that it would be punished over this.

3.On the issue of schools, the main advocate for the 'hardline approach' I think was clearly the self appointed moral arbiter of America, George H W Bush Education Secretary William (Bill) Bennett.  I would actually be willing to bet this is the case.  

4.Finally, on marijuana legalization, there should have been a natural coalition of 'live and let live' Democrats with libertarian Republicans, but what was mostly exposed in this is how few libertarian Republicans there actually are.  (Or, to the degree that they really exist, they only care about not being taxed and not 'having their guns taken away.')

I think it's fair to say there are 'nanny state Democrats' but the premise they have been the main advocates for age restrictions is utter nonsense.

[136or142]

What's interesting to me is that people often blame Reagan and the Religious Right for these things.

Because they're mostly responsible. 

[darklordoftech]

yep

There is clearly a cross-over on this: the 'nanny state' Democrats and the authoritarian Republicans agree with each other on most of these issues.

1.If you look, however, at even the PMRC, I think it's false to claim this was a Democratic issue alone. The issue of warning labels on record covers started up in the mid 1980s when Reagan was President and was promoted by his 'moralizing' Attorney General Ed Meese as well as the FCC.

2.On the issue, for example, of Janet Jackson and her 'wardrobe malfunction' at the 2004 Super Bowl.  It was the W. Bush FCC that imposed the $550,000 fine on the CBS and its station affiliates due to the well known evidence that seeing a female nipple will ruin a child for their entire life (or something like that).  

http://adage.com/article/media/cbs-stations-pay-550-000-janet-jackson-indecency-fine/110777/

This was later overturned by the courts

http://adage.com/article/news/court-overrules-fcc-super-bowl-indecency/129789/

The article doesn't mention it, but I believe part of the reasoning by the courts was that the Clinton FCC faced a similar incident and chose not to levy a fine. So it was argued that it was not reasonable for CBS to expect that it would be punished over this.

3.On the issue of schools, the main advocate for the 'hardline approach' I think was clearly the self appointed moral arbiter of America, George H W Bush Education Secretary William (Bill) Bennett.  I would actually be willing to bet this is the case.  

4.Finally, on marijuana legalization, there should have been a natural coalition of 'live and let live' Democrats with libertarian Republicans, but what was mostly exposed in this is how few libertarian Republicans there actually are.  (Or, to the degree that they really exist, they only care about not being taxed and not 'having their guns taken away.')

I think it's fair to say there are 'nanny state Democrats' but the premise they have been the main advocates for age restrictions is utter nonsense.

1. I can't find anything about Ed Meese talking about music.

2. The FCC was mostly, if not entirely, Clinton appointees when the Super Bowl incident happened. I also suspect that had Gore won, Tipper and Lieberman would have called for Timberlake and Janet Jackson to be registered as sex offenders.

3. Bennett was a Drug Warrior who was also Secretary of Education, but zero tolerance started with guns and the War on Drugs was driven by racial anxiety and anti-hippieism more than by anxiety about minors.

4. See what I what I said above about the War on Drugs. There's politicians today who want to legalize marijuana but want to raise the tobacco age to 21 and there's Drug Warriors who oppose Tobacco 21.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Concerned mothers.

[136or142]

yep

There is clearly a cross-over on this: the 'nanny state' Democrats and the authoritarian Republicans agree with each other on most of these issues.

1.If you look, however, at even the PMRC, I think it's false to claim this was a Democratic issue alone. The issue of warning labels on record covers started up in the mid 1980s when Reagan was President and was promoted by his 'moralizing' Attorney General Ed Meese as well as the FCC.

2.On the issue, for example, of Janet Jackson and her 'wardrobe malfunction' at the 2004 Super Bowl.  It was the W. Bush FCC that imposed the $550,000 fine on the CBS and its station affiliates due to the well known evidence that seeing a female nipple will ruin a child for their entire life (or something like that).  

http://adage.com/article/media/cbs-stations-pay-550-000-janet-jackson-indecency-fine/110777/

This was later overturned by the courts

http://adage.com/article/news/court-overrules-fcc-super-bowl-indecency/129789/

The article doesn't mention it, but I believe part of the reasoning by the courts was that the Clinton FCC faced a similar incident and chose not to levy a fine. So it was argued that it was not reasonable for CBS to expect that it would be punished over this.

3.On the issue of schools, the main advocate for the 'hardline approach' I think was clearly the self appointed moral arbiter of America, George H W Bush Education Secretary William (Bill) Bennett.  I would actually be willing to bet this is the case.  

4.Finally, on marijuana legalization, there should have been a natural coalition of 'live and let live' Democrats with libertarian Republicans, but what was mostly exposed in this is how few libertarian Republicans there actually are.  (Or, to the degree that they really exist, they only care about not being taxed and not 'having their guns taken away.')

I think it's fair to say there are 'nanny state Democrats' but the premise they have been the main advocates for age restrictions is utter nonsense.

1. I can't find anything about Ed Meese talking about music.

2. The FCC was mostly, if not entirely, Clinton appointees when the Super Bowl incident happened. I also suspect that had Gore won, Tipper and Lieberman would have called for Timberlake and Janet Jackson to be registered as sex offenders.

3. Bennett was a Drug Warrior who was also Secretary of Education, but zero tolerance started with guns and the War on Drugs was driven by racial anxiety and anti-hippieism more than by anxiety about minors.

4. See what I what I said above about the War on Drugs. There's politicians today who want to legalize marijuana but want to raise the tobacco age to 21 and there's Drug Warriors who oppose Tobacco 21.

1.Not necessarily restricted to just music with Ed Meese, he was behind the Meese Report on pornography.  Certainly proposed far greater restrictions than anything the PMRC advocated for (there were also Republicans like Susan Baker, wife of James Baker who was behind the founding of the PMRC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meese_Report

2.There were 3 Republicans and 2 Democrats on the FCC.  Your additional comment only shows your bias.  You are dishonestly cherry picking facts and evidence.

3.William (Bill) Bennett was the 'Drug Czar' under President Reagan.  He had certainly branched out to more than just being 'anti drug' by the time he was appointed Secretary of Education.  As I wrote above, he had essentially appointed himself the 'moral conscience' of the U.S including lecturing parents on how to raise their children.

https://www.depauw.edu/news-media/latest-news/details/14005/

[darklordoftech]

2. I meant to say, "I think", and I meant to say the Chairman, not the entire commission. I also don't think that the FCC was partisan pre-Trump. Futhermore, I don't think that Tipper and Lieberman represented the entire Democratic Party.

[136or142]

2. I meant to say, "I think", and I meant to say the Chairman, not the entire commission. I also don't think that the FCC was partisan pre-Trump. Futhermore, I don't think that Tipper and Lieberman represented the entire Democratic Party.

Michael Powell, the son of Colin Powell.  He was appointed by Clinton to the FCC and appointed as Chair by W Bush.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Shouldn’t come as a surprise to anybody. Democrats as we speak are trying to regulate what the Commander N’ Chief does with his penis.

[BundouYMB]

Because the Democratic party acknowledges the simple reality that people are too stupid to make decisions for themselves. We need social security because people are too stupid to save for their own retirement. We need banking regulations because the financial industry is too stupid and greedy to prevent its own collapse. We need labels on our foods and government regulations regarding them because people are too stupid to monitor what goes into their own bodies.

Why would alcohol be any different? News flash: it's not. People need to be protected from alcohol and sex offenders just as much as they need to be protected from all the other things they theoretically should be able to deal with on their own. If you disagree then feel free to go join the Republican party in their Ayn Rand fantasy land where they close their eyes and pretend people can make good decisions for themselves.

[dead0man]

some people are embarrassed to admit they favor a Nanny state.  Not this guy!

[darklordoftech]

Something I wanted to add is that Republicans tend to fear that schools will teach their kids evolution, sex-ed, expose their kids to Muslim and athiest peers, interfere with kids spending time with family, etc., while Democrats tend to want schools to be as powerful as possible.