John McCain ending treatment for cancer

[Cowboys for Christ]

I would say "last of a breed," but another two of the Keating Five are still alive and earning.

Stay classy.

And people are wondering why the alt-left is so disliked.

The best are the ones that preach as if they are saints and holy and virtuous, but are close minded and hostile to anything that does not think talk or walk like them.

This goes for quite a few establishment dems too.

I honestly do not think that post was directed at John McCain's morality. It isn't a partisan attack, either- the other two living members of the Keating Five are Democrats. Averroes was just bringing up something that is usually forgotten nowadays (you never hear John Glenn, another Senator involved in the scandal, being brought up in this either, do you?).

[TDAS04]

RIP.

[America Needs R'hllor]

It’s a sad day when a mother has to bury her son

His mother is still alive!?

Yes. She was born before the Titanic sunk!

I definitely think he could live for a lot more years if not for that terrible illness. Anyway, massive FF, I hope he somehow recovers, as hopeless as it seems.

[Greatblueheron]

RIP.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

It is pretty interesting, though, the perception of McCain among Democrats and liberals changed over the years depending on which view was more useful at the moment. There was little love when he ran against Obama and when he subsequently followed McConnell's obstructionism, and charges about being a fake maverick were frequently heard on the left, even center-left. But now, having stood up to Trump on one or two issues, McCain is suddenly a great hero, indirectly feeding that idiotic notion the GOP was somehow "much diffrent" before Trump.

If I really have to state my opinion now, I see McCain as a very capable man who, unfortunately, missed a number of opportunities to be a maverick when we really needed one (ftr, I don't see any contradition betweeen having generally conservative wievs, yet still posess personal independence), but had very bright moments. Perhaps he can be justified, at least partially, at having to labor in the era where even the slightest deviation from the usual party line makes one a "RINO" (again, the process that started long before Trump).

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

RIP.

Oh for f**k's sake... can't you really hold it until it happens?

[Karpatsky]

FF username change.

McCain is a mixed bag for me. His 'maverickness' always seemed to disappear when there were real consequences on the line, with a handful of big exceptions. I would respect him a lot more had he retired when he was no longer able to do his job so to allow a special election.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Pallative Care, alot of elder adults decide to do.

[Devout Centrist]

I would say "last of a breed," but another two of the Keating Five are still alive and earning.

Stay classy.

And people are wondering why the alt-left is so disliked.

Averroes is not 'alt left'

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

It’s a sad day when a mother has to bury her son

His mother is still alive!?

Yes, and very spry for her age. I'm actually genuinely sorry for her. McCain remains a terrible person regardless.

[Pandaguineapig]

Not sure what disgusts me more; the far-right trashing him and his military record for having the gall to criticize Trump and have a maverick-ish voting record, or those on the left who are disingenuously praising him now for those same Trump criticisms after having called him a racist, a violent misogynist, and a warmonger in 2008

[Abolish ICE]

Not sure what disgusts me more; the far-right trashing him and his military record for having the gall to criticize Trump and have a maverick-ish voting record, or those on the left who are disingenuously praising him now for those same Trump criticisms after having called him a racist, a violent misogynist, and a warmonger in 2008

How about the people who deliberately spread false domestic violence allegations?

[100% pro-life no matter what]

John McCain is a good man who bravely fought for his country.  Regardless of your political beliefs, we can all recognize he is an American hero.  Let's keep him and his family (especially his mother who will have to do something very difficult, even at the age of 106) in our prayers.

[ProudModerate2]

John McCain is a good man who bravely fought for his country.  Regardless of your political beliefs, we can all recognize he is an American hero.  Let's keep him and his family (especially his mother who will have to do something very difficult, even at the age of 106) in our prayers.

But yet you support a president that attacked McCain and dragged McCain's war (hero) status in the mud.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

John McCain is a good man who bravely fought for his country.  Regardless of your political beliefs, we can all recognize he is an American hero.  Let's keep him and his family (especially his mother who will have to do something very difficult, even at the age of 106) in our prayers.

But yet you support a president that attacked McCain and dragged McCain's war (hero) status in the mud.

My attitude towards President Trump is much like Ben Shapiro's- support him when he is right and criticize him when he is wrong.  But, that isn't relevant for this thread.

[fluffypanther19]

i hope he finds some peace in the little time he had left. i pray for his family who are going through a very tough time right now.

I respect him deeply for his long time service to his country and the kind of a man he was, best explimifed here

https://youtu.be/jrnRU3ocIH4?t=41

https://youtu.be/pq4zrOoHXeg?t=962
16:02 to 16:58

even as young kid, i recognize the dignity and class he possessed and despite my many disagreements with him politically, i will always remember that about him.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

It’s a sad day when a mother has to bury her son

His mother is still alive!?

Yes, and very spry for her age. I'm actually genuinely sorry for her. McCain remains a terrible person regardless.

Hopefully, this will be easier on his Mom than expected.  Given McCain's life, and especially his years in horrid captivity as a POW, I can only imagine how many times she lived being told he was dead, his funeral, etc.  And he's lived to an age where most parents would be happy if they knew their kids  would live to.  It's still going to be awful, but I'm hoping that the silver lining that he IS after all, 82 will be of some comfort.  She got to see him live a full life, and a far fuller life than 99% of people.

I think Sanchez is a bit hard on McCain.  I find him to be an FF in his own way.  I am not a big fan of his war policies, but I am a fan of his willingness to do something about the absurd amount of unlimited corporate money that floods our politics.  I certainly hope his wife and daughter live to see Citizens United overturned; that would represent the reinstatement of the most positive part of his Senate legacy.

It will be interesting to see how McCain is seen in history; will he be a significant Senator like a Ted Kennedy, or kind of an outlier, like William Borah.  He never held a major Senate leadership position, but he was a Presidential nominee.   He isn't a cookie-cutter guy, and I suppose his assessment by historians will be a work in progress for a while.

[muon2]

I remain honored to have been elected as a McCain delegate to the 2008 RNC, and to have met him during his campaign that year.

[RFKFan68]

I would say "last of a breed," but another two of the Keating Five are still alive and earning.

Stay classy.

This is a forum, not a church. There is no need to shush critical comments as if one of the man's close relatives could stray in at any moment.

Not everyone shares that opinion that John McCain deserves to be revered. Much of that disagreement goes beyond the "but he was an honorable man and a great American" variety.

I know him only as a deeply self-serving figure. A Senator who reveled in cruel jokes and xenophobic caricatures. A man who was stained by political corruption, an ugly divorce, and a penchant for flattering a complacent political media into positive coverage. A pilot who complained that his commanders wouldn't let him hit more civilian targets, and continued to brag about that grievance long after that war was over - either to demonstrate that he was "tough" or because he really was that heartless. A geriatric politician whose focus, in my adult lifetime, focused mostly on dragging this country into more pointless violent conflicts that killed people who were mostly of my age or younger.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I would say "last of a breed," but another two of the Keating Five are still alive and earning.

Stay classy.

This is a forum, not a church. There is no need to shush critical comments as if one of the man's close relatives could stray in at any moment.

Not everyone shares that opinion that John McCain deserves to be revered. Much of that disagreement goes beyond the "but he was an honorable man and a great American" variety.

I know him only as a deeply self-serving figure. A Senator who reveled in cruel jokes and xenophobic caricatures. A man who was stained by political corruption, an ugly divorce, and a penchant for flattering a complacent political media into positive coverage. A pilot who complained that his commanders wouldn't let him hit more civilian targets, and continued to brag about that grievance long after that war was over - either to demonstrate that he was "tough" or because he really was that heartless. A geriatric politician whose focus, in my adult lifetime, focused mostly on dragging this country into more pointless violent conflicts that killed people who were mostly of my age or younger.

The test of whether or not people really agree with this sentiment is if they apply it to people who are criticizing their own favorite FF who is on their deathbed.

[politicallefty]

I'm not a fan of John McCain, but he's someone I can disagree with while still maintaining a strong level of respect. He fought for this country and I absolutely believe he loves this country, unlike the current occupant of the White House. I didn't vote for him in 2008, but he gets me admiration for standing up to one his own supporters to defend his opponent. I think this country would be far better off if the Republican Party was the party of John McCain and not the party of Donald Trump. His vote against Obamacare repeal is most admirable, because it defied Republican orthodoxy and, more importantly, will save many lives.

I've seen these announcements many times. I would expect to hear the worst any day now. I wish him a merciful passing when it happens and I wish his family all the best. It's unfortunate that he'll die under Trump. Despite being opponents, President Obama definitely respects him far more and his words will be far more meaningful.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I remain honored to have been elected as a McCain delegate to the 2008 RNC, and to have met him during his campaign that year.

While not a delegate as I was an independent then, I still don't regret my vote for McCain in the general election that year.

[For Trump, everything. For immigrants, the law]

Rather than talking about policy, I'll just say that I hope his family gets to spend time with him in his final moments, and that he doesn't suffer too much.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Rather than talking about policy, I'll just say that I hope his family gets to spend time with him in his final moments, and that he doesn't suffer too much.

This, this this!!!
I wouldn't wish to the most vile individual in the world to get sick and suffer. It's a terrible experience that nobody deserves to live.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

On the personal level I actually always kind of liked McCain. He was a flawed individual who, despite some PR manipulations, did display real individuality, something that is pretty rare in politics. That's what I'm going to miss.