Why can't the Democratic Party take responsibility for Chicago's troubles?

[Banana Republican]

Republicans love talking about Chicago but not NYC which is the safest big city in America and is controlled by Democrats and has a low homicide rate.

Ah, but NYC's crime rate is 100% thanks to Rudy Giuliani. When Rudy was mayor, his policies were so effective that not only did they significantly reduce crime in NYC, but they also simultaneously reduced crime across the entire rest of the country.

Imagine that. A mayor who is so effective that his policies have a measurable effect even in entirely different states, far away from his own jurisdictional responsibility.

[RINO Tom]

Republicans love talking about Chicago but not NYC which is the safest big city in America and is controlled by Democrats and has a low homicide rate.

Also, New Orleans has the highest murder rate in the US per capita. New Orleans is in Louisiana and Louisiana is a Republican controlled state with lax gun laws. New Orleans also has NO control over it's gun laws, they have to abide by the same gun laws as rural Louisiana because state law doesn't allow for local municipalities to create gun laws stricter than state law.

Also, last year, 60% of the guns that were recovered by Chicago PD were not originally from the state of Illinois. With the highest percentage being from Indiana (19%), Indiana is a Republican controlled state with lax gun laws. Gun trafficking is a big problem in Chicago but the Chicago PD can't do anything because neighboring areas and states have much looser gun laws.

You can't talk about how NYC is Democratic-controlled at the city level to boost your argument (and ignore that the state legislature is effectively split at best and Republican at worst) but then blame New Orleans' problems on a Republican legislature while ignoring that the city is completely controlled by Democrats and that there's a Democratic governor, LOL.  You can make your point without totally nitpicking to fit your bias.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Also Guiliani was the one who made NYC safe again.


While he has totally lost his mind now , he easily was the best mayor they have had in many decades

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Republicans love talking about Chicago but not NYC which is the safest big city in America and is controlled by Democrats and has a low homicide rate.

Also, New Orleans has the highest murder rate in the US per capita. New Orleans is in Louisiana and Louisiana is a Republican controlled state with lax gun laws. New Orleans also has NO control over it's gun laws, they have to abide by the same gun laws as rural Louisiana because state law doesn't allow for local municipalities to create gun laws stricter than state law.

Also, last year, 60% of the guns that were recovered by Chicago PD were not originally from the state of Illinois. With the highest percentage being from Indiana (19%), Indiana is a Republican controlled state with lax gun laws. Gun trafficking is a big problem in Chicago but the Chicago PD can't do anything because neighboring areas and states have much looser gun laws.

You can't talk about how NYC is Democratic-controlled at the city level to boost your argument (and ignore that the state legislature is effectively split at best and Republican at worst) but then blame New Orleans' problems on a Republican legislature while ignoring that the city is completely controlled by Democrats and that there's a Democratic governor, LOL.  You can make your point without totally nitpicking to fit your bias.

Um what?

1. First of all, NYC has STRICTER gun laws than the rest of New York State. That's because NYC can actually control it's own gun laws unlike New Orleans which gun laws can't be stricter than Louisiana state law. NYC doesn't have the same gun laws as rural New York. However, New Orleans has the same gun laws as rural Louisiana.

2. Second, Louisiana has a GOP super-majority in both state houses and John Bel Edwards (who is an anti-gun control Democrat) only came into power in 2015. Republicans control Louisiana don't be obtuse lol.

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Also Guiliani was the one who made NYC safe again.


While he has totally lost his mind now , he easily was the best mayor they have had in many decades

With the exception of you saying that he has lost his mind (which is true), your statement is laughably false.

The myth of Giuliani as "America's Mayor" and the guy who saved NYC is a blatant falsehood.

Rudy did contribute to NYC's recovery from the dark ages of that was the 1970s and 1980s but he was not the primary reason for NYC's crime rate decline. It was due to multiple factors not just Giuliani. Also, crime in NYC started in decline in the early 1990s under Mayor David Dinkins, the trend just continued under Giuliani.

[Tintrlvr]

Because Republican areas have worse troubles.

Summit, NJ and Anaheim, CA have worse troubles?

Those are hard core Republican areas and they're doing pretty fine.

Summit, NJ has a Democratic mayor, a Democratic-controlled common council and mostly votes for Democrats for President, especially Hillary Clinton.

[The Free North]

Chicago has a unique problem with gang violence that doesnt exist at the same levels in New York. Thats really all there is to say. Why gang issues persist in Chicago more than other major cities is down in some degree to city planning and a failure to improve the cities worst neighborhoods.

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Chicago has a unique problem with gang violence that doesnt exist at the same levels in New York. Thats really all there is to say. Why gang issues persist in Chicago more than other major cities is down in some degree to city planning and a failure to improve the cities worst neighborhoods.

Exactly! You're spot on.

That's why it's erroneous to blame Chicago gun violence all on the Democrats.

[NeederNodder]

Why can't the Republican Party take responsibility for the West Virginia or any other flyover states troubles?

[Strudelcutie4427]

Rahm Emanuel and the state Democratic Party ought to take responsibility, just as Cuomo and his goons ought to take responsibility for the MTA.

On the other hand, Chicago has pleasant neighborhoods. There are multiple Republican-governed states for which the same cannot be said.

What Republican governed states have no "pleasant neighborhoods?"

Places that are nice only because you've priced out all of the poor people don't count.

You mean like Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Cambridge, and NoVA

[DrScholl]

Chicago had the most impoverished, dangerous housing projects in the nation. When they were torn down you had people placed in different neighborhoods that they had never lived in and they haven't all been that welcomed into their new neighborhoods. That has triggered violence over turf and led to gangs spreading to areas where they previously did not reside.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Why can't the Republican Party take responsibility for the West Virginia or any other flyover states troubles?

Lmao Democrats controlled West Virginia for 80 years , and all the way up til 2014

[Santander]

Rahm Emanuel and the state Democratic Party ought to take responsibility, just as Cuomo and his goons ought to take responsibility for the MTA.

On the other hand, Chicago has pleasant neighborhoods. There are multiple Republican-governed states for which the same cannot be said.

What Republican governed states have no "pleasant neighborhoods?"

Places that are nice only because you've priced out all of the poor people don't count.

You mean like Boston, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Cambridge, and NoVA

wut?

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

A majority of gun violence in Chicago is committed using guns purchased out-of-state, so the “Chicago proves that gun control doesn’t work!” argument is extremely disingenuous. All it proves is that gun control is often significantly less effective when only some states implement it, and that states with conservative gun policy are causing nationwide damage with their irresponsibility.

[Mopsus]

A majority of gun violence in Chicago is committed using guns purchased out-of-state, so the “Chicago proves that gun control doesn’t work!” argument is extremely disingenuous. All it proves is that gun control is often significantly less effective when only some states implement it, and that states with conservative gun policy are causing nationwide damage with their irresponsibility.

“People who use guns responsibly are responsible for people who use guns irresponsibly”

This is your brain on leftism. Not a pretty sight, is it, folks?

[Cassandra]

A majority of gun violence in Chicago is committed using guns purchased out-of-state, so the “Chicago proves that gun control doesn’t work!” argument is extremely disingenuous. All it proves is that gun control is often significantly less effective when only some states implement it, and that states with conservative gun policy are causing nationwide damage with their irresponsibility.

“People who use guns responsibly are responsible for people who use guns irresponsibly”

This is your brain on leftism. Not a pretty sight, is it, folks?

But that's not what they said.

Also, what "other" party is your avatar supposed to represent?

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

A majority of gun violence in Chicago is committed using guns purchased out-of-state, so the “Chicago proves that gun control doesn’t work!” argument is extremely disingenuous. All it proves is that gun control is often significantly less effective when only some states implement it, and that states with conservative gun policy are causing nationwide damage with their irresponsibility.

“People who use guns responsibly are responsible for people who use guns irresponsibly”

This is your brain on leftism. Not a pretty sight, is it, folks?

As Situationist said, that’s not at all what I said. I’m complaining about legislators who enable irresponsible gun owners to obtain weapons, not responsible everyday gun owners, who shouldn’t need super lax gun laws in order to be responsible gun owners.

[Mopsus]

Also, what "other" party is your avatar supposed to represent?

A party unto myself.

“People who use guns responsibly are responsible for people who use guns irresponsibly”

This is your brain on leftism. Not a pretty sight, is it, folks?

As Situationist said, that’s not at all what I said. I’m complaining about legislators who enable irresponsible gun owners to obtain weapons, not responsible everyday gun owners, who shouldn’t need super lax gun laws in order to be responsible gun owners.

It isn’t up to you to decide what responsible gun owners “need”, it’s up to responsible gun owners. That’s what makes them responsible.

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

“People who use guns responsibly are responsible for people who use guns irresponsibly”

This is your brain on leftism. Not a pretty sight, is it, folks?

As Situationist said, that’s not at all what I said. I’m complaining about legislators who enable irresponsible gun owners to obtain weapons, not responsible everyday gun owners, who shouldn’t need super lax gun laws in order to be responsible gun owners.

It isn’t up to you to decide what responsible gun owners “need”, it’s up to responsible gun owners. That’s what makes them responsible.

No, I can pretty safely say that something like universal background checks would not be fatal to any responsible gun owners. The only gun owners who would greatly impacted (anything larger than a minor convenience) were already in fact irresponsible, because if you couldn't pass such a background check you shouldn't have a gun to begin with.

It really isn't just up to gun owners to decide what laws they want. Gun policy is a public health concern and has implications for non-gun owning Americans, so of course non-gun owning Americans get to be part of the consensus that determines our gun policy. Of course I believe that most gun owners are responsible, and that most gun owners believe in advocacy for greater public safety, but I personally think that many of them support policies ultimately detrimental to that cause, and it's undoubtedly my right to contest those policies. Responsible gun owners don't need regulation to be responsible, sure, but the point is to check those who aren't so responsible; responsible citizens won't commit murder, but we need laws pertaining to murder because not everyone lives up to that ideal standard.

I mean, regardless of whether you think it's right or not, every non-gun owning American gets to vote in propositions/referendums on gun policy (see ME or NV in 2016, for example), and to vote for elected representatives who may fight for stricter gun control.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Ah yes, let's take the Chicago card out of the Republican boogeyman rolodex. It's located right between MS-13 and antifa.

[Dr. Arch]

Ah yes, let's take the Chicago card out of the Republican boogeyman rolodex. It's located right between MS-13 and antifa.

LOL

[RINO Tom]

Republicans love talking about Chicago but not NYC which is the safest big city in America and is controlled by Democrats and has a low homicide rate.

Also, New Orleans has the highest murder rate in the US per capita. New Orleans is in Louisiana and Louisiana is a Republican controlled state with lax gun laws. New Orleans also has NO control over it's gun laws, they have to abide by the same gun laws as rural Louisiana because state law doesn't allow for local municipalities to create gun laws stricter than state law.

Also, last year, 60% of the guns that were recovered by Chicago PD were not originally from the state of Illinois. With the highest percentage being from Indiana (19%), Indiana is a Republican controlled state with lax gun laws. Gun trafficking is a big problem in Chicago but the Chicago PD can't do anything because neighboring areas and states have much looser gun laws.

You can't talk about how NYC is Democratic-controlled at the city level to boost your argument (and ignore that the state legislature is effectively split at best and Republican at worst) but then blame New Orleans' problems on a Republican legislature while ignoring that the city is completely controlled by Democrats and that there's a Democratic governor, LOL.  You can make your point without totally nitpicking to fit your bias.

Um what?

1. First of all, NYC has STRICTER gun laws than the rest of New York State. That's because NYC can actually control it's own gun laws unlike New Orleans which gun laws can't be stricter than Louisiana state law. NYC doesn't have the same gun laws as rural New York. However, New Orleans has the same gun laws as rural Louisiana.

2. Second, Louisiana has a GOP super-majority in both state houses and John Bel Edwards (who is an anti-gun control Democrat) only came into power in 2015. Republicans control Louisiana don't be obtuse lol.

I don't think you know what obtuse means, LOL, but whatever.  This is pointless.

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Idiots like bronz--and there are a lot--just hammer on about Chicago because it's Amway of attacking Obama's reasonably successful presidency by (weak ass) proxy.

Come on dude. Just get a red avatar already.

When you get a blue one.

Santander had a blue avatar through most of the 2016 campaign, did he not?

[DINGO Joe]

The internet tells me New Orleans is 3rd among cities, behind St. Louis and Baltimore.  As for the top three states for murder, it is Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

The internet tells me New Orleans is 3rd among cities, behind St. Louis and Baltimore.  As for the top three states for murder, it is Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

I blame the homicide rate exclusively on the people doing the killing, the people who intimidate witnesses, and the people who refuse to act as witnesses to what they see.