Poll: Americans support single payer by the same margin they support capitalism

[IceSpear]

Gotta love Americans, lol.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

But we have to run centrist establishment democrats like Kurt Schrader, Mikie Sherill, Lauren Underwood, Danny O'Connor Ron Kind, Tom Carper, Gwen Graham, Kyrsten Sinema etc! We can't run people who support single payer! Those candidates are "unelectable!"(rolls eyes)


Anyway Not surprised by this result at all. Hopefully the Dem Leadership starts to embrace the idea more and give candidates more freedom to talk about it.

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But we have to run centrist establishment democrats like Kurt Schrader, Mikie Sherill, Lauren Underwood, Danny O'Connor Ron Kind, Tom Carper, Gwen Graham, Kyrsten Sinema etc! We can't run people who support single payer! Those candidates are "unelectable!"(rolls eyes)


Anyway Not surprised by this result at all. Hopefully the Dem Leadership starts to embrace the idea more and give candidates more freedom to talk about it.

Don't forget that only an anti single payer Democrat like Schumer can win in a Senate seat that had a pro single payer Republican in 1970.

[TPIG]

Well, support for the idea of government providing all people healthcare is within a normal range that it's been at for nearly a decade. The real, and depressing, news is the dramatic decrease in the number of people supporting capitalism. Republicans and conservatives, in general, need to take the public shift seriously and stop the "ha dumb socialists don't know economics" arrogance and actually take the ideological fight to the left before the battle is lost and America is doomed to socialist failure.

[ponderosa peen 🌲]

Polls like this don't mean a thing as far as which ideology is superior, just which side has better messaging. The average voter doesn't know what either of these things means and just is parroting what people he/she likes on TV are saying.

[Tartarus Sauce]

If Americans voted logically consistent with what they told pollsters, we wouldn’t have Republicans controlling everything. See polls on: environment, taxes, healthcare, guns

[KingSweden]

If Americans voted logically consistent with what they told pollsters, we wouldn’t have Republicans controlling everything. See polls on: environment, taxes, healthcare, guns

Americans vote on cultural in-group signaling and little else

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

If Americans voted logically consistent with what they told pollsters, we wouldn’t have Republicans controlling everything. See polls on: environment, taxes, healthcare, guns

[Mette Frederiksen Stan]

That 63% is encouraging. Healthcare is definitely the issue for 2020.

[IceSpear]

If Americans voted logically consistent with what they told pollsters, we wouldn’t have Republicans controlling everything. See polls on: environment, taxes, healthcare, guns

Americans vote on cultural in-group signaling and little else

[IceSpear]

If Americans voted logically consistent with what they told pollsters, we wouldn’t have Republicans controlling everything. See polls on: environment, taxes, healthcare, guns

Americans vote on cultural in-group signaling and little else

Not disputing that. I think it’s more of a poor reflection on the Democratic Party and their leadership that they don’t seem to realize how many Americans are swayed by cultural wedge issues, and they don’t seem to combat it effectively and haven’t in the past 40 years or more.

It’s not like Republicans are getting 46-48% of the vote consistently by running on Randianism lol. But don’t tell the Atlas RINOs that people vote Republican based on black people kneeling because that’s mean

How do you combat it though? If black people kneeling is the "issue" someone cares about the most and prioritizes in their vote, talking about healthcare or taxes or whatever isn't going to sway them. It's too complicated and boring. Stoking their resentments is easy for them to understand and gets them riled up and passionate, so that's always going be a bigger motivator.

I do agree though that most Democratic politicians are stupid and have zero idea what motivates Republican voters (or voters in general, for that matter.) And that goes double for the pundits and the media. There's a reason Trump was able to come out of nowhere and dominate the GOP the way he did. He knows exactly what voters want to hear and what they couldn't care less about. When you're a reality TV star, you know exactly how stupid and braindead most Americans are and how easily it is to manipulate them.

[Sir Mohamed]

I think there is a distinction between the still negative term socialism and the actual policies. Most people like single-payer or higher taxes for the rich but still say they oppose socialism. The same is true with gun laws reform versus background checks. So, it's often a name branding and how you sell policies. Politics is retail business.

Many people also like some socialist policies, but want to retain a certain level of capitalism. I myself think a mixed system is the best solution.

[Dr. Arch]

Well, support for the idea of government providing all people healthcare is within a normal range that it's been at for nearly a decade. The real, and depressing, news is the dramatic decrease in the number of people supporting capitalism. Republicans and conservatives, in general, need to take the public shift seriously and stop the "ha dumb socialists don't know economics" arrogance and actually take the ideological fight to the left before the battle is lost and America is doomed to socialist failure.

You're expecting the current Republican party to engage in meaningful dialogue about the benefits and detriments of political ideologies and propositions?

Don't hold your breath, my friend.

[Intell]

But we need to be moderate to win the mythical swing voter.

People all across the country don't vote republican for neoliberalism and being anti-single payer.

In WOW they vote Republcian because the democrats will provide to the poor blacks and take away their taxes from them. In WV they vote republican because Obama and the democrats are godless anti-coal satans. In MS, AL they vote republican because the democrats are the party for the blacks and the republicans are pro-white. In nassau county and westchester they vote republican because they their suburbs and schools to be lilly-white and safe. Appart from the Upper East Side or Greenwich, CT no-one votes republican for those reasons.

The vote for the republican Party are a vote for cultural resentment.

[Hammy]

I think there is a distinction between the still negative term socialism and the actual policies. Most people like single-payer or higher taxes for the rich but still say they oppose socialism. The same is true with gun laws reform versus background checks. So, it's often a name branding and how you sell policies. Politics is retail business.

Many people also like some socialist policies, but want to retain a certain level of capitalism. I myself think a mixed system is the best solution.

Can't agree more, especially on the bolded part--there are too many voters that just shut out everything that comes after once they hear the word.

[politicallefty]

It's not news to me that the American people support Democratic policies. It's just that Democrats can't sell them the right way. This poll called it "Medicare for All" at the end. It's one thing to support universal healthcare, but what matters is how we do it. Calling it single-payer doesn't mean anything to the average American. Call it "Medicare for All" and virtually everyone knows what you're talking about. It's not technically accurate, because Medicare has premiums and added costs, but that's not relevant to the average person. Technically, we really want "Medicaid for All", but Medicaid has more negative connotations for the average American. But that's really beside the point.

It's all really about how you sell it. Republicans will call whatever Democrats propose socialized medicine. It doesn't matter what it is. That's what they'll say because that phrase works for them. Democrats should just stick with "Medicare for All". All most Americans know about Medicare is that their grandparents can always see their doctor and get their prescriptions filled. It's a system that works and is wildly popular. Most people neither care nor are bothered by the technical aspects.

I think if we aren't going to go all the way with a proposal like that, we should at least consider a piecemeal approach. Democrats should at least make it a priority to lower the age of Medicare to 55 and also allow eligibility to those under 18. If that was our starting point, all we would have to do is close the gap piece by piece until everyone is covered. At that point, we would just finalize the aspects that needed to be resolved. I think the biggest disappointment of the ACA was that the Medicare age wasn't lowered to 55.

[หมูเด้ง]

Socialism is becoming mainstream the same way fascism is. People think that because they are dead ideologies, they can just make for of their proponents. Instead of discouraging them, it only strengthens their resolve and popularity.

[Dabeav]

Capitalism pays for socialism. The hybrid works fine, it's going full retard socialist that's when you get Venezuela, USSR, Maoist China, North Korea, etc etc.

[pbrower2a]

But how do the only people who now matter in American politics, the super-rich, think? They do not want anything to take away any part of their gravy train that includes profits-first medicine.

America could get Medicare because the medical profession found the elderly 'trash' as paying customers. They were expensive to care for and hard to collect from unless rich. The last year of medical treatment usually cost more than the savings and real estate that the elderly had, and more (of course) than the medical care over that person's lifetime even accounting for inflation. A degenerative disease such as diabetes, Parkinson's, or dementia was far more likely among the elderly. Cirrhosis, emphysema, and cancer are more common among the elderly.

Profit maximization is the essence of American capitalism, and that is the focus of current politics in  the purest plutocracy in the world. There could be conflicts between capitalists -- let us say manufacturing and the medical-industrial complex -- but whoever has the gold makes the rules.

[pbrower2a]

Capitalism pays for socialism. The hybrid works fine, it's going full retard socialist that's when you get Venezuela, USSR, Maoist China, North Korea, etc etc.

We have crony capitalism -- fascist economics, if without the torture chambers and labor camps.

[Dabeav]

Capitalism pays for socialism. The hybrid works fine, it's going full retard socialist that's when you get Venezuela, USSR, Maoist China, North Korea, etc etc.

We have crony capitalism -- fascist economics, if without the torture chambers and labor camps.

Still, people aren't killed by the millions. But I do want more freedom in economics: less regulation but smart laws, strong on antitrust, and the (big longshot goal) eventual dismantling of the stock market into commodities only.