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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2018, 02:18:07 AM »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2018, 02:24:26 AM »
« Edited: August 23, 2018, 01:25:13 PM by ProudModerate2 »

This one promptly drops all the way to Tossup/Tilt Republican in this climate.
Hunter is still a narrow favorite, but Democrats are really close to 50-50 now, if Ammar Campar-Najjar runs a decent campaign.

You're a complete hack to think that. Hunter has already made claims that this is a politically motivated investigation, which Trump voters will gladly believe. This district is Safe R.

Do you even care about what Hunter and his wife have been doing and saying?
The accusations (with evidence to back it) are heinous and Deplorable beyond belief.
It seems that the only thing you are concerned about is the hope the district stays R ... that's it.
You are definitely a candidate that fits "The Basket."
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2018, 06:28:44 AM »

There is also a pretty heavy implication that Hunter was using the money for extramarital affairs as well: it mentions that the congressman had 'personal relationships' wiith various redacted individuals living in DC, and he expensed Uber trips to their residences, and also a hotel room or two.
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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2018, 06:34:17 AM »

There is also a pretty heavy implication that Hunter was using the money for extramarital affairs as well: it mentions that the congressman had 'personal relationships' wiith various redacted individuals living in DC, and he expensed Uber trips to their residences, and also a hotel room or two.


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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2018, 12:13:05 PM »
« Edited: August 23, 2018, 12:17:01 PM by IceSpear »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Did you watch the video?

Random guy: "I would still vote for him"
Reporter: "Why, just because he's a Republican?"
Random guy: "Yeah"

The American voter, ladies and gentlemen. Yet pundits, the media, and posters here try to use grand narratives and detailed nuanced explanations about the "message American voters are sending" to explain election outcomes, LMAO.
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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2018, 01:22:07 PM »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Did you watch the video?

Random guy: "I would still vote for him"
Reporter: "Why, just because he's a Republican?"
Random guy: "Yeah"

The American voter, ladies and gentlemen. Yet pundits, the media, and posters here try to use grand narratives and detailed nuanced explanations about the "message American voters are sending" to explain election outcomes, LMAO.

Yes, I saw that.
I wanted to vomit.
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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2018, 01:35:13 PM »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Did you watch the video?

Random guy: "I would still vote for him"
Reporter: "Why, just because he's a Republican?"
Random guy: "Yeah"

The American voter, ladies and gentlemen. Yet pundits, the media, and posters here try to use grand narratives and detailed nuanced explanations about the "message American voters are sending" to explain election outcomes, LMAO.

I watched the video, and there were three individuals who were questioned. One of them was the man you mentioned. The other two were a woman and another (younger) man, who identified himself as a veteran. Those two said that they were disturbed by the charges against Hunter and that they would not be inclined to vote for him again. The veteran, in particular, seemed outraged by the allegations. So, I think you are applying a broad brush to the electorate in that district. If those two are representative of the majority of the voters there, then Hunter could very well lose.
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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2018, 01:43:58 PM »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Did you watch the video?

Random guy: "I would still vote for him"
Reporter: "Why, just because he's a Republican?"
Random guy: "Yeah"

The American voter, ladies and gentlemen. Yet pundits, the media, and posters here try to use grand narratives and detailed nuanced explanations about the "message American voters are sending" to explain election outcomes, LMAO.

I watched the video, and there were three individuals who were questioned. One of them was the man you mentioned. The other two were a woman and another (younger) man, who identified himself as a veteran. Those two said that they were disturbed by the charges against Hunter and that they would not be inclined to vote for him again. The veteran, in particular, seemed outraged by the allegations. So, I think you are applying a broad brush to the electorate in that district. If those two are representative of the majority of the voters there, then Hunter could very well lose.

Agreed.  I think this exemplifies something that's been discussed a number of times here.  Yes, SOME Trump/GOP voters will stand by their man/party no matter what.  It's simply not possible to change their minds.  But this isn't true for ALL Republican voters, and it's both wrong and ultimately self-defeating for Democrats to look at Republicans that way.  Some non-trivial portion of this group can be persuaded; if not to actually vote for a Democrat, at least to stay home and not vote for a tainted Republican.
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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2018, 01:45:23 PM »

Chris Collins was the first congressman to endorse Trump.
Duncan Hunter was the second Congressman to endorse Trump.

General Sessions was the third lmao

And the fourth was Scott DesJarlais, who we may all remember as the severe anti-abortion and pro-family congressman, who forced his mistress, who was also his patient, to get an abortion.

Folks, Trump supporters are not sending their best.
Endorsing Trump is like the numbers from Lost, permanently cursing whomever it touches
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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2018, 01:54:12 PM »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Did you watch the video?

Random guy: "I would still vote for him"
Reporter: "Why, just because he's a Republican?"
Random guy: "Yeah"

The American voter, ladies and gentlemen. Yet pundits, the media, and posters here try to use grand narratives and detailed nuanced explanations about the "message American voters are sending" to explain election outcomes, LMAO.

I watched the video, and there were three individuals who were questioned. One of them was the man you mentioned. The other two were a woman and another (younger) man, who identified himself as a veteran. Those two said that they were disturbed by the charges against Hunter and that they would not be inclined to vote for him again. The veteran, in particular, seemed outraged by the allegations. So, I think you are applying a broad brush to the electorate in that district. If those two are representative of the majority of the voters there, then Hunter could very well lose.

Agreed.  I think this exemplifies something that's been discussed a number of times here.  Yes, SOME Trump/GOP voters will stand by their man/party no matter what.  It's simply not possible to change their minds.  But this isn't true for ALL Republican voters, and it's both wrong and ultimately self-defeating for Democrats to look at Republicans that way.  Some non-trivial portion of this group can be persuaded; if not to actually vote for a Democrat, at least to stay home and not vote for a tainted Republican.

That is what happened in Alabama last year. Even though IceSpear has emphasized time and time again that the vast majority of Republican voters there went for Moore (which is true), there were hundreds of thousands of Republicans who had voted for Trump in 2016 who stayed home in the special election, and there were some Republican voters (particularly in places like Mobile, Birmingham, Montgomery, Tuscaloosa, and Huntsville), who defected to Jones. I remember seeing a news video where a woman who was a Republican and had voted for Trump was disgusted by the allegations against Moore, and voted for Jones because of them. There was another CNN video, of a panel of Trump voters, that was made while the allegations were coming out. One woman on the panel (who was from Alabama) identified herself as a rape survivor, said that she believed Moore's accusers, and that she would not vote for Moore.

So again, it goes to show that not all people have compromised their morals. Yes, polarization has increased, but it is not the end all. One must also keep in mind that partisanship has always been a strong factor in our nation's politics. This did not begin with Trump. Just look at the nineteenth century for example, and the vigorous attacks waged by the respective party bases against one another in the press (such as in the 1824 and 1828 elections with Andrew Jackson and John Quincy Adams).
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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2018, 02:30:49 PM »

This one promptly drops all the way to Tossup/Tilt Republican in this climate.
Hunter is still a narrow favorite, but Democrats are really close to 50-50 now, if Ammar Campar-Najjar runs a decent campaign.

You're a complete hack to think that. Hunter has already made claims that this is a politically motivated investigation, which Trump voters will gladly believe. This district is Safe R.

Do you even care about what Hunter and his wife have been doing and saying?
The accusations (with evidence to back it) are heinous and Deplorable beyond belief.
It seems that the only thing you are concerned about is the hope the district stays R ... that's it.
You are definitely a candidate that fits "The Basket."
I already said in the other thread that I would not vote for Hunter and believe what he is accused of doing is wrong. I’m telling how voters in his district will react. Also looking at your post history it’s hilarious that you call yourself a moderate because you certainly aren’t. Look this isn’t comparable to the Roy Moore situation. If a Democrat in the Bay Area was indicted for campaign violations do you think they would actually lose to a Republican . The answer is no because polarization is to great. Living in California you should now the father east you drive the more hostile it is to Democrats.
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2018, 02:46:04 PM »

This one promptly drops all the way to Tossup/Tilt Republican in this climate.
Hunter is still a narrow favorite, but Democrats are really close to 50-50 now, if Ammar Campar-Najjar runs a decent campaign.

You're a complete hack to think that. Hunter has already made claims that this is a politically motivated investigation, which Trump voters will gladly believe. This district is Safe R.

Do you even care about what Hunter and his wife have been doing and saying?
The accusations (with evidence to back it) are heinous and Deplorable beyond belief.
It seems that the only thing you are concerned about is the hope the district stays R ... that's it.
You are definitely a candidate that fits "The Basket."

I already said in the other thread that I would not vote for Hunter and believe what he is accused of doing is wrong. I’m telling how voters in his district will react. Also looking at your post history it’s hilarious that you call yourself a moderate because you certainly aren’t. Look this isn’t comparable to the Roy Moore situation. If a Democrat in the Bay Area was indicted for campaign violations do you think they would actually lose to a Republican . The answer is no because polarization is to great. Living in California you should now the father east you drive the more hostile it is to Democrats.

As has been indicated, there are a number of sites that are now listing this district as "toss-up."
So there is a chance it could flip.
And if you look at your post history, it's beyond belief that your username is "Tea Party Hater." Should be more like Tea Party Lover.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2018, 02:46:37 PM »

You have to remember that a good chunk of Republican voters believe that white people are inherently owed a nice lifestyle -- so Duncan Hunter and his family deserve all the things they bought with embezzled money.

Whereas, the mere fact that Barack and Michelle Obama are now enjoying the fruits of a lifetime of high-end white-collar work and publishing books that people wanted to buy is proof that they must have stolen it or done something inappropriate - after all, Those People don't deserve to live in nice houses in nice neighborhoods and take beach vacations.


This article sums it up. When they say they want to "drain the swamp" they mean they want to restore the "proper" hierarchy that puts white people up top at all times.

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2018, 03:03:29 PM »

You have to remember that a good chunk of Republican voters believe that white people are inherently owed a nice lifestyle -- so Duncan Hunter and his family deserve all the things they bought with embezzled money.

Whereas, the mere fact that Barack and Michelle Obama are now enjoying the fruits of a lifetime of high-end white-collar work and publishing books that people wanted to buy is proof that they must have stolen it or done something inappropriate - after all, Those People don't deserve to live in nice houses in nice neighborhoods and take beach vacations.


This article sums it up. When they say they want to "drain the swamp" they mean they want to restore the "proper" hierarchy that puts white people up top at all times.

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Not sure I agree with all the conclusions of the article, but it does remind me of how Islamists and their cronies like Imran Khan use the term: they link in the same breath financial corruption with supposed moral corruption like homosexuality, premarital sex and nightclubs. In general the word "corrupt" is one of the most useless snarl words in politics, covering a huge number of crimes of various magnitudes and thrown around so liberally it loses its power very quickly.
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2018, 03:19:07 PM »

This one promptly drops all the way to Tossup/Tilt Republican in this climate.
Hunter is still a narrow favorite, but Democrats are really close to 50-50 now, if Ammar Campar-Najjar runs a decent campaign.

You're a complete hack to think that. Hunter has already made claims that this is a politically motivated investigation, which Trump voters will gladly believe. This district is Safe R.

Do you even care about what Hunter and his wife have been doing and saying?
The accusations (with evidence to back it) are heinous and Deplorable beyond belief.
It seems that the only thing you are concerned about is the hope the district stays R ... that's it.
You are definitely a candidate that fits "The Basket."
I already said in the other thread that I would not vote for Hunter and believe what he is accused of doing is wrong. I’m telling how voters in his district will react. Also looking at your post history it’s hilarious that you call yourself a moderate because you certainly aren’t. Look this isn’t comparable to the Roy Moore situation. If a Democrat in the Bay Area was indicted for campaign violations do you think they would actually lose to a Republican . The answer is no because polarization is to great. Living in California you should now the father east you drive the more hostile it is to Democrats.

In fairness, Hunter's district is nowhere near as Republican as the Bay Area districts are democratic.
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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2018, 04:04:42 PM »

You have to remember that a good chunk of Republican voters believe that white people are inherently owed a nice lifestyle -- so Duncan Hunter and his family deserve all the things they bought with embezzled money.

Whereas, the mere fact that Barack and Michelle Obama are now enjoying the fruits of a lifetime of high-end white-collar work and publishing books that people wanted to buy is proof that they must have stolen it or done something inappropriate - after all, Those People don't deserve to live in nice houses in nice neighborhoods and take beach vacations.


This article sums it up. When they say they want to "drain the swamp" they mean they want to restore the "proper" hierarchy that puts white people up top at all times.

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Not sure I agree with all the conclusions of the article, but it does remind me of how Islamists and their cronies like Imran Khan use the term: they link in the same breath financial corruption with supposed moral corruption like homosexuality, premarital sex and nightclubs. In general the word "corrupt" is one of the most useless snarl words in politics, covering a huge number of crimes of various magnitudes and thrown around so liberally it loses its power very quickly.

Kind of like how Dilma Roussef was impeached for "corruption."
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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2018, 05:55:39 PM »

Here is a recent CNN video summarizing the sleaze that Hunter and his wife have been pulling on the citizens, and how they are stealing funds by falsely labeling their expenses for "wounded warriors."
Disgusting filth! May they rot in jail for many years.

Click here to watch the video: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/23/duncan-hunter-chris-collins-indicted-sidner-dnt-ebof-vpx.cnn

Did you watch the video?

Random guy: "I would still vote for him"
Reporter: "Why, just because he's a Republican?"
Random guy: "Yeah"

The American voter, ladies and gentlemen. Yet pundits, the media, and posters here try to use grand narratives and detailed nuanced explanations about the "message American voters are sending" to explain election outcomes, LMAO.

It's an unfortunate, unsurprising cornerstone of our current political system. Saying that though, I'm the guy who is going to vote for Menendez in November. So I'm not really one to talk.
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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2018, 09:46:12 PM »

This one promptly drops all the way to Tossup/Tilt Republican in this climate.
Hunter is still a narrow favorite, but Democrats are really close to 50-50 now, if Ammar Campar-Najjar runs a decent campaign.

You're a complete hack to think that. Hunter has already made claims that this is a politically motivated investigation, which Trump voters will gladly believe. This district is Safe R.

Do you even care about what Hunter and his wife have been doing and saying?
The accusations (with evidence to back it) are heinous and Deplorable beyond belief.
It seems that the only thing you are concerned about is the hope the district stays R ... that's it.
You are definitely a candidate that fits "The Basket."

I already said in the other thread that I would not vote for Hunter and believe what he is accused of doing is wrong. I’m telling how voters in his district will react. Also looking at your post history it’s hilarious that you call yourself a moderate because you certainly aren’t. Look this isn’t comparable to the Roy Moore situation. If a Democrat in the Bay Area was indicted for campaign violations do you think they would actually lose to a Republican . The answer is no because polarization is to great. Living in California you should now the father east you drive the more hostile it is to Democrats.

As has been indicated, there are a number of sites that are now listing this district as "toss-up."
So there is a chance it could flip.
And if you look at your post history, it's beyond belief that your username is "Tea Party Hater." Should be more like Tea Party Lover.
The sites have been too reactionary over this news. Also, lol remind when I ever advocated for a Tea Party platform or candidate. I never have, meanwhile you clearly hate Republicans. I've actually voted for Democrats (gasp), but I'm sure you've never voted for a Republican

Also with regard to this district. This person on r/BlueMidterm2018 explains why it won't flip.

I would actively campaign for Campa-Najjr, but I am truly afraid for myself and my family. Cars get keyed or rocks thrown at them with stickers that are even vaguely not white conservative Republican. Houses are egged that have campaign signs that aren't Republican. When Bernie was running in the primary my daughter volunteered knocking on doors for his campaign and was threatened with violence several times.

So yeah really hostile to Democrats. Basically for Hunter to lose Republicans would have to not show up, but that's not likely in this polarized environment. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Hunter's floor is probably 55%.

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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2018, 09:55:02 PM »

Even William Jefferson's district voted for some random Vietnamese R when he ran into trouble with his refrigerator.
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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2018, 10:08:02 PM »

This one promptly drops all the way to Tossup/Tilt Republican in this climate.
Hunter is still a narrow favorite, but Democrats are really close to 50-50 now, if Ammar Campar-Najjar runs a decent campaign.

You're a complete hack to think that. Hunter has already made claims that this is a politically motivated investigation, which Trump voters will gladly believe. This district is Safe R.

Do you even care about what Hunter and his wife have been doing and saying?
The accusations (with evidence to back it) are heinous and Deplorable beyond belief.
It seems that the only thing you are concerned about is the hope the district stays R ... that's it.
You are definitely a candidate that fits "The Basket."

I already said in the other thread that I would not vote for Hunter and believe what he is accused of doing is wrong. I’m telling how voters in his district will react. Also looking at your post history it’s hilarious that you call yourself a moderate because you certainly aren’t. Look this isn’t comparable to the Roy Moore situation. If a Democrat in the Bay Area was indicted for campaign violations do you think they would actually lose to a Republican . The answer is no because polarization is to great. Living in California you should now the father east you drive the more hostile it is to Democrats.

As has been indicated, there are a number of sites that are now listing this district as "toss-up."
So there is a chance it could flip.
And if you look at your post history, it's beyond belief that your username is "Tea Party Hater." Should be more like Tea Party Lover.

The sites have been too reactionary over this news. Also, lol remind when I ever advocated for a Tea Party platform or candidate. I never have, meanwhile you clearly hate Republicans. I've actually voted for Democrats (gasp), but I'm sure you've never voted for a Republican

Also with regard to this district. This person on r/BlueMidterm2018 explains why it won't flip.

I would actively campaign for Campa-Najjr, but I am truly afraid for myself and my family. Cars get keyed or rocks thrown at them with stickers that are even vaguely not white conservative Republican. Houses are egged that have campaign signs that aren't Republican. When Bernie was running in the primary my daughter volunteered knocking on doors for his campaign and was threatened with violence several times.

So yeah really hostile to Democrats. Basically for Hunter to lose Republicans would have to not show up, but that's not likely in this polarized environment. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Hunter's floor is probably 55%.

I have voted for many Republicans at State and Federal levels through the years.
You know nothing about me, so stop with your silly claims.

Hopefully the people of this district wake-up and see the disgusting abuse of Hunter.
If Campa-Najjr (who is funded well) can put massive ads attacking Hunter for the fraudster that he is, and more importantly on the number of times he has used the "wounded warrior" slogan to misuse funds, I think the Dem will have a good chance.
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« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2018, 12:30:32 AM »

To be honest, the election in this seat matters little, either Hunter loses and the district gets a Democrat who represents it for two years and then gets tossed out, or Hunter wins, and inevitably resigns at some point in the next term and the Republicans hold it in a special election.

I still want Campa-Najjar to win, because he's awesome.
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« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2018, 12:33:49 AM »

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I guess it's time to throw-your-wife under-the-bus, and save yourself.
Wow .... what a Marine.
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« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2018, 12:43:10 AM »

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I guess it's time to throw-your-wife under-the-bus, and save yourself.
Wow .... what a Marine.

That article and this post do not go well together.

There is also a pretty heavy implication that Hunter was using the money for extramarital affairs as well: it mentions that the congressman had 'personal relationships' wiith various redacted individuals living in DC, and he expensed Uber trips to their residences, and also a hotel room or two.
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« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2018, 12:57:44 AM »

Maybe they had an understanding, keep her swimming in cash and she don't care.
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