BREAKING: COHEN PLEADS GUILTY TO 8 COUNTS

[IceSpear]

This whole case is just aggravation. Even if somehow the Democrats win the House and proceed to impeach, you need 67 U.S. Senators to vote for removal. Even if the Democrats somehow won the Senate, they would probably need atleast 12-16 Republican Senators to join them. I just can't see it.

At the end of the day, Donald Trump will be the President of the United States until 2021 or 2025. To see the liberal "journalists" on CNN and MSNBC with spit flying out of their mouths with excitement shows that they are trying hard for an "All the Presidents Men" story when it actuality, it's nowhere near that.

The whole Trump thing reminds me of Whitewater, where a minor nothingburger was given lives of its own by the political enemies of a President to enable a Special Prosecutor with a vengeance to go far afield to dig until something stuck, and then came impeachment and a trial.  It didn't work out well for Bill Clinton's enemies, and I'm predicting in the end that this matter isn't going to do much more damage to Trump.

The goal here by Trump's enemies was to convince America that he was the Manchurian Candidate.  (Actually, "B-1 Bob" Dornan tried to do that to Clinton as well, in regards to his college trip to the USSR.)  They'll prove that Trump "colluded" (not a crime, but it sounds yucky) with Russia.  After almost 2 years, there's no reason to believe that what people REALLY want to prove is that Trump is a Russian Spy.  What they've proven is that a political consultant launders money and a lawyer made an illegal campaign contribution.

Might Trump have committed felonies?  Of course it's possible, but Mueller is not any closer to proving this now than he was a year ago.  The worst that will come of this is a blue wave.  The worst that will come of Mueller long-term is Trump's re-election defeat.  But he won't be removed from office.  He won't resign.  And he won't because Mueller doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Chart is before Cohen's guilty pleas and Manafort's convictions.

lol at using facts and logic with Trump supporters...they dont care about your charts. Your wasting your time. You'll get another neatly crafted, well written narrative that hides and obscures the deeper meaning of why they support Trump. Just give it up...you cant deal with these people and they will just lie to save face.

The fact that Fuzzy's response will be neatly crafted and well written actually shows he's far from the typical Trump supporter, lol.

[KingSweden]

This whole case is just aggravation. Even if somehow the Democrats win the House and proceed to impeach, you need 67 U.S. Senators to vote for removal. Even if the Democrats somehow won the Senate, they would probably need atleast 12-16 Republican Senators to join them. I just can't see it.

At the end of the day, Donald Trump will be the President of the United States until 2021 or 2025. To see the liberal "journalists" on CNN and MSNBC with spit flying out of their mouths with excitement shows that they are trying hard for an "All the Presidents Men" story when it actuality, it's nowhere near that.

The whole Trump thing reminds me of Whitewater, where a minor nothingburger was given lives of its own by the political enemies of a President to enable a Special Prosecutor with a vengeance to go far afield to dig until something stuck, and then came impeachment and a trial.  It didn't work out well for Bill Clinton's enemies, and I'm predicting in the end that this matter isn't going to do much more damage to Trump.

The goal here by Trump's enemies was to convince America that he was the Manchurian Candidate.  (Actually, "B-1 Bob" Dornan tried to do that to Clinton as well, in regards to his college trip to the USSR.)  They'll prove that Trump "colluded" (not a crime, but it sounds yucky) with Russia.  After almost 2 years, there's no reason to believe that what people REALLY want to prove is that Trump is a Russian Spy.  What they've proven is that a political consultant launders money and a lawyer made an illegal campaign contribution.

Might Trump have committed felonies?  Of course it's possible, but Mueller is not any closer to proving this now than he was a year ago.  The worst that will come of this is a blue wave.  The worst that will come of Mueller long-term is Trump's re-election defeat.  But he won't be removed from office.  He won't resign.  And he won't because Mueller doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Chart is before Cohen's guilty pleas and Manafort's convictions.

lol at using facts and logic with Trump supporters...they dont care about your charts. Your wasting your time. You'll get another neatly crafted, well written narrative that hides and obscures the deeper meaning of why they support Trump. Just give it up...you cant deal with these people and they will just lie to save face.

The fact that Fuzzy's response will be neatly crafted and well written actually shows he's far from the typical Trump supporter, lol.

Yeah I disagree with him quite often but his willingness to engage and actually provide intelligently written responses is why I debate issues with him.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

This whole case is just aggravation. Even if somehow the Democrats win the House and proceed to impeach, you need 67 U.S. Senators to vote for removal. Even if the Democrats somehow won the Senate, they would probably need atleast 12-16 Republican Senators to join them. I just can't see it.

At the end of the day, Donald Trump will be the President of the United States until 2021 or 2025. To see the liberal "journalists" on CNN and MSNBC with spit flying out of their mouths with excitement shows that they are trying hard for an "All the Presidents Men" story when it actuality, it's nowhere near that.

The whole Trump thing reminds me of Whitewater, where a minor nothingburger was given lives of its own by the political enemies of a President to enable a Special Prosecutor with a vengeance to go far afield to dig until something stuck, and then came impeachment and a trial.  It didn't work out well for Bill Clinton's enemies, and I'm predicting in the end that this matter isn't going to do much more damage to Trump.

The goal here by Trump's enemies was to convince America that he was the Manchurian Candidate.  (Actually, "B-1 Bob" Dornan tried to do that to Clinton as well, in regards to his college trip to the USSR.)  They'll prove that Trump "colluded" (not a crime, but it sounds yucky) with Russia.  After almost 2 years, there's no reason to believe that what people REALLY want to prove is that Trump is a Russian Spy.  What they've proven is that a political consultant launders money and a lawyer made an illegal campaign contribution.

Might Trump have committed felonies?  Of course it's possible, but Mueller is not any closer to proving this now than he was a year ago.  The worst that will come of this is a blue wave.  The worst that will come of Mueller long-term is Trump's re-election defeat.  But he won't be removed from office.  He won't resign.  And he won't because Mueller doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Chart is before Cohen's guilty pleas and Manafort's convictions.

lol at using facts and logic with Trump supporters...they dont care about your charts. Your wasting your time. You'll get another neatly crafted, well written narrative that hides and obscures the deeper meaning of why they support Trump. Just give it up...you cant deal with these people and they will just lie to save face.

The fact that Fuzzy's response will be neatly crafted and well written actually shows he's far from the typical Trump supporter, lol.

I pride myself on being atypical.

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now.  

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

[|˶˙ᵕ˙ )ﾉﾞ]

The fact that Fuzzy's response will be neatly crafted and well written actually shows he's far from the typical Trump supporter, lol.

While that may be true...it's all baloney that hides the real reason he supports Trump. I dont know (or care) why Fuzzy supports Trump but dont expect to get a real answer for it. Trump supporters are no different from Klan members who, when interviewed by a TV news camera, respond with: ''Uhh...I'm not actually racist.'' and then divulge into narrative fiction writing as explanations that contradict their entire reason for existing.

The long, drowned out narratives are nothing but mental rationalizations because Trump supporters arent serious people with serious grievances. It's essentially a conglomerate of sh!t posters who change reasons, and adjust their rationalizations for why they voted the way they do. Just because someone gives you a neatly crafted seemingly intellectual response doesn't make it legitimate nor does it make them authentic.

I literally have more respect for the Trump supporter who just admits he voted for Trump because he wants to ''send em back,'' then someone who also voted for Trump for those same reasons but cloaks it all in neatly written narratives and just doesnt bother with the formalities of a political forum where people try to win pointless internet arguments with strangers.

[|˶˙ᵕ˙ )ﾉﾞ]

I pride myself on being atypical.

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now.  

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

Trump has admitted, in broad daylight, to obstructing justice and you still claim Mueller has nothing on him/ Why? Because you dont care what crimes Trump has committed or will commit. Trump can do whatever he wants and as far as your concerned...it will always be justified, because whatever viewpoint you have in your head of how America should be run; the means will always justify the ends and that hamster wheel of rationalization will kick off and spout off some neatly written narrative justifying it.

Some will accuse me of being a hack on here but I never write pointless paragraphs justifying my beliefs or try to fool people otherwise. Anyone who cant sum up their viewpoint quickly and succinctly is fooling you. Intellectual, long-winded, spouting off of neatly written arglebargle is almost always code to me that someone's trying to con me.

[Panda Express]

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now.  

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

Well, a lot of this is nonsense - for example Mueller has actually proven a lot. If you would bother to read the filings and court documents and not just listen to Hannity (who is not news) parrot talking points, you would know that.

A question for you - why do you think Trump won't release his tax returns? If he has nothing to hide, no loans from shady Russian money, no tax fraud etc, he could damage the narrative plaguing him easily. We already know he doesn't pay taxes, so that can't be it. So, what do you think is behind Trump's refusal to release his tax returns? 🤔

[|˶˙ᵕ˙ )ﾉﾞ]

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now.  

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

Well, a lot of this is nonsense - for example Mueller has actually proven a lot. If you would bother to read the filings and court documents and not just listen to Hannity (who is not news) parrot talking points, you would know that.

A question for you - why do you think Trump won't release his tax returns? If he has nothing to hide, no loans from shady Russian money, no tax fraud etc, he could damage the narrative plaguing him easily. We already know he doesn't pay taxes, so that can't be it. So, what do you think is behind Trump's refusal to release his tax returns? 🤔

Get ready for an 8 paragraph mega rationalization that doesn't even answer the question. Just more BS from people who don't want to honestly answer the question in a single sentence. I'd have more respect for Fuzzy if he'd just say something, even if offensive, like: ''I voted for Trump because I'm a white Christian who wants to maintain power,'' or ''I really want to send these illegals back,'' than someone trying to pull a fast one through skillful manipulation via good writing. This is no different than when Larry Craig kept denying he wasn't trying to blow a dude in the airport but trying to pick up a piece of paper from the floor. Come on...just admit it.

[Dr. Arch]

I pride myself on being atypical.

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now. 

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

Intellectual, long-winded, spouting off of neatly written arglebargle is almost always code to me that someone's trying to con me.

  "arglebargle"

I love it, and I agree with you on this in practically every context except where it's required and expected due to the kinds of discussions taking place (academia). Outside of that, and especially in politics and retail, it's likely almost always true.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now.  

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

Well, a lot of this is nonsense - for example Mueller has actually proven a lot. If you would bother to read the filings and court documents and not just listen to Hannity (who is not news) parrot talking points, you would know that.

A question for you - why do you think Trump won't release his tax returns? If he has nothing to hide, no loans from shady Russian money, no tax fraud etc, he could damage the narrative plaguing him easily. We already know he doesn't pay taxes, so that can't be it. So, what do you think is behind Trump's refusal to release his tax returns? 🤔

I'm sure the political fallout from such release would be significant.

Beyond that, who knows?  You may be right.  Why did Mitt Romney make such a limited release of his tax returns?

We'll see.  There's no law saying a Presidential candidate has to release his tax returns.  But I suppose we'll see all of Trump's by the time this is through.

[ProudModerate2]

Every modern-day, major-party nominee has released their tax return(s), except for trump.
Not only that, but he told the American people he was going to, and then reneged on that promise (thus lied and conned people that his word meant something).

[Badger]

This whole case is just aggravation. Even if somehow the Democrats win the House and proceed to impeach, you need 67 U.S. Senators to vote for removal. Even if the Democrats somehow won the Senate, they would probably need atleast 12-16 Republican Senators to join them. I just can't see it.

At the end of the day, Donald Trump will be the President of the United States until 2021 or 2025. To see the liberal "journalists" on CNN and MSNBC with spit flying out of their mouths with excitement shows that they are trying hard for an "All the Presidents Men" story when it actuality, it's nowhere near that.

The whole Trump thing reminds me of Whitewater, where a minor nothingburger was given lives of its own by the political enemies of a President to enable a Special Prosecutor with a vengeance to go far afield to dig until something stuck, and then came impeachment and a trial.  It didn't work out well for Bill Clinton's enemies, and I'm predicting in the end that this matter isn't going to do much more damage to Trump.

The goal here by Trump's enemies was to convince America that he was the Manchurian Candidate.  (Actually, "B-1 Bob" Dornan tried to do that to Clinton as well, in regards to his college trip to the USSR.)  They'll prove that Trump "colluded" (not a crime, but it sounds yucky) with Russia.  After almost 2 years, there's no reason to believe that what people REALLY want to prove is that Trump is a Russian Spy.  What they've proven is that a political consultant launders money and a lawyer made an illegal campaign contribution.

Might Trump have committed felonies?  Of course it's possible, but Mueller is not any closer to proving this now than he was a year ago.  The worst that will come of this is a blue wave.  The worst that will come of Mueller long-term is Trump's re-election defeat.  But he won't be removed from office.  He won't resign.  And he won't because Mueller doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Chart is before Cohen's guilty pleas and Manafort's convictions.

lol at using facts and logic with Trump supporters...they dont care about your charts. Your wasting your time. You'll get another neatly crafted, well written narrative that hides and obscures the deeper meaning of why they support Trump. Just give it up...you cant deal with these people and they will just lie to save face.

The fact that Fuzzy's response will be neatly crafted and well written actually shows he's far from the typical Trump supporter, lol.

Yeah I disagree with him quite often but his willingness to engage and actually provide intelligently written responses is why I debate issues with him.

[BlueSwan]

The whole Trump thing reminds me of Whitewater, where a minor nothingburger was given lives of its own by the political enemies of a President to enable a Special Prosecutor with a vengeance to go far afield to dig until something stuck, and then came impeachment and a trial.  It didn't work out well for Bill Clinton's enemies, and I'm predicting in the end that this matter isn't going to do much more damage to Trump.

1. I really don't think it's fair to compare Starr and Mueller. Starr was blatantly partisan, leaked like crazy and seemed to want to spread out as far as possible (based on my understanding of a 20+ year old investigation). Mueller's investigation has been fast, more or less leak-free and is run by someone who most pols on each side of the aisle expressed admiration and respect for. Further, he is a Republican, overseen by another Republican, investigating a Republican president. If politics is as cynical as people think, this is the best Trump could have fared if he was destined to wind up with a special counsel investigation.

2. It's debatable just how much you could argue Mueller's investigation is sprawling. He's still investigating the original crimes, and people caught up in it that seem like they are way "off-topic" are either in his scope because he's trying to leverage for cooperation and/or because it was impossible to ignore the crimes even if he tried. Manafort is an excellent example of that. Mueller probably has reason to believe he could know things, and encountered a massive amount of criminal behavior in his investigation. Even if Mueller didn't have any use for him, it would be malpractice (in my opinion) to not pursue charges, even if Mueller just opted to hand it off to another department. Trump and his cronies should not be let off the hook if Mueller/other investigators stumble across their crimes anyway.

If you really want to make the case that this is a true witch hunt, come back in a couple years after Mueller has basically concluded the original case but for some reason, shows no signs of stopping and is currently investigating and indicting people in connection to a completely new scandal that is outside the scope of the original investigation. Then I agree, you'd definitely have something there. But as it stands now, I think this witch hunt claim is unfair to Mueller.

The goal here by Trump's enemies was to convince America that he was the Manchurian Candidate.  (Actually, "B-1 Bob" Dornan tried to do that to Clinton as well, in regards to his college trip to the USSR.)  They'll prove that Trump "colluded" (not a crime, but it sounds yucky) with Russia.  After almost 2 years, there's no reason to believe that what people REALLY want to prove is that Trump is a Russian Spy.  What they've proven is that a political consultant launders money and a lawyer made an illegal campaign contribution.

Admittedly, wandering into a place like Daily Kos at times looks like a leftist fever dream, with people fully ready to believe Trump is communicating with handlers on a regular basis. But a great many of us, perhaps even most, just believe that Trump made opportunistic plays to leverage Russian assistance in an election even he was convinced he was losing.

I've thought about this a lot, and I'm actually fully prepared to believe that, at most, Trump is guilty of knowing about the hacked emails/data ahead of time and offering instructions on what he wants done with it, which afaik would be a fairly serious crime, given that it would essentially make him a party to a major violation of the CFAA, which hackers regularly get sentenced bigly for. I also think it's probable that Trump's Russian business dealings have left him vulnerable, and he has probably made some changes to both Republican Party policy and govt policy to stay in the good graces of Russians he is involved with. This is actually the least interesting possibility of the whole ordeal, since we already know he has received a lot of money from Russia due to numerous statements by his son(s) and Trump rather blatantly holds a major soft spot for Russia that lacks any other believable explanation.

I don't think it's that much more complex. For instance, if it was, (1) why were so many people in Trump's orbit reaching out to Russia to set up meetings? If there was a direct link at the top, they wouldn't need to do this and would probably be discouraged not to. (2) If there was -full- coordination, why did Russians start trying to hack Clinton's various accounts when Trump publicly asked them to at a campaign speech/press conf.? They wouldn't do it then if they were in communication, because Trump would have already asked them. The most likely explanation is, like I said, Trump saw an opportunity offered by a hostile foreign power and took it - rather haphazardly, too. Far from a smart, complex conspiracy but still a conspiracy nonetheless.

But not being more complex doesn't mean it isn't any less serious. If those^ theories turned out to be true, I believe that would absolutely be grounds for removal from office and prosecution.

Might Trump have committed felonies?  Of course it's possible, but Mueller is not any closer to proving this now than he was a year ago.

How do you know that though? Mueller has made pretty fast work of a lot of indictments, including a very complex untangling of Russian military officers and their roles in the conspiracy to meddle in our election, and that takes time. If Mueller has more indictments to drop closer to Trump himself, it makes since that he would wait until the end, because he can be fired at any moment by Trump (or rather, a new acting AG). This, by the way, is probably the most dumbfounding flaw in the American government's design - letting the president manage investigations into themselves.

The worst that will come of this is a blue wave.  The worst that will come of Mueller long-term is Trump's re-election defeat.  But he won't be removed from office.  He won't resign.  And he won't because Mueller doesn't have enough to make that happen.

This seems accurate, but mostly because Trump probably won't resign and won't be removed because Congressional Republicans are scared of losing their jobs to GOP voters in love with Trump, and won't break with him over anything, except maybe short of him shooting someone on 5th Ave, on video tape, holding a sign that says "I am Donald Trump", with his passport (opened) taped to his chest and a personal photo album confirming its him taped to his ass. So, really, Mueller can't ever find enough to make it happen, because the people who decide Trump's fate are absurdly biased and conflicted, and thus have nearly impossible demands.

I pretty much agree with all of this.

[Don Vito Corleone]

https://twitter.com/jwpetersNYT/status/1032342464168960000

These hand wringing tweets come out after every single Trump scandal/gaffe, and nothing ever comes of it. I'll believe it when I see it.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Might Trump have committed felonies?  Of course it's possible, but Mueller is not any closer to proving this now than he was a year ago.  The worst that will come of this is a blue wave.  The worst that will come of Mueller long-term is Trump's re-election defeat.  But he won't be removed from office.  He won't resign.  And he won't because Mueller doesn't have enough to make that happen.

Isn't it wonderful that our little forum has someone with inside knowledge of the Mueller probe?

[Doomer]

Fuzzy, you keep saying Mueller hasn’t gotten anything on Trump.

You have NO CLUE what Mueller has or doesn’t have.  If you were someone who know what kind of dirt Mueller had on the president, you wouldn’t be posting in this forum.

I fully admit that it’s possible Mueller has nothing, but until the report comes out no one knows.  Stop acting like you do.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Michael Cohen's lawyer has started a legal defense fund on gofundme if anyone want to contribute.

https://www.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund

He has raised over 130k in the past day.

[Slander and/or Libel]

Michael Cohen's lawyer has started a legal defense fund on gofundme if anyone want to contribute.

https://www.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund

He has raised over 130k in the past day.

This is a poor use of anybody's money. It's a good thing for Cohen to reveal what he knows of Trump's misdeeds, but he's still a garbage person who doesn't deserve your financial help.

[Banana Republican]

Michael Cohen's lawyer has started a legal defense fund on gofundme if anyone want to contribute.

https://www.gofundme.com/hqjupj-michael-cohen-truth-fund

He has raised over 130k in the past day.

This is a poor use of anybody's money. It's a good thing for Cohen to reveal what he knows of Trump's misdeeds, but he's still a garbage person who doesn't deserve your financial help.

Yeah, this should be obvious to anyone who is not brain dead.

If you want to make good use of your money for political purposes, give to a Democratic house/senate candidate in a competitive race.

[Virginiá]

https://twitter.com/TPMLiveWire/status/1032576403886227457

Cohen was his lawyer for 10 years and he had an office down the hall from Trump.

This guy is such a terrible liar lol

[The Dowager Mod]

Coffee boy #2!

[pbrower2a]

Soon-to-be former (he will surely be disbarred for this) Michael Cohen has violated one of the most basic rules of legal ethics by becoming a participant in a client's crimes. A basic responsibility of an attorney is to keep a client from getting into legal trouble that he is not already in. Thus one must not tamper with witnesses or jurors, conceal or destroy evidence, evade taxes counsel on money laundering, or tell someone how to avoid detection in a criminal deed. The best course for an attorney is to tell a client with questionable deeds is to stop committing illegal acts. To become complicit in any criminal offense is to lose the attorney-client privilege necessary for a spirited defense of a client.

This is the worst exposure of possible criminal deeds of the President, some of them going back to when he was a 'mere' private citizen. Except that the Man O' Fraud conviction came before the plea bargain of Michael Cohen.

The Trump regime is unraveling now.  

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1032668011948388353

[Progressive Pessimist]

I pride myself on being atypical.

I've also never said that Trump was innocent.  I've said that Mueller hasn't proven anything, and certainly not anything to indicate Trump is the Manchurian Candidate.

And I don't trust CNN.  CNN has an axe to grind with Trump; their noise was much louder today than other media outlets.  That didn't used to be the case, but it is now. 

We'll see.  I'm watching.  If Trump did something illegal and its discovered, he deserves what he gets.  But the investigation is one of the "Let's investigate Trump!' rather than a specific crime, and it's snowballed into what it is now.  But we'll see.  Trump's not going to fire Mueller, but Mueller hasn't gotten anything on Trump yet.  To date, all he's done is make Trump look bad.  That may get a "blue wave", and if that's what it's all about, I suppose somebody succeeded.

Intellectual, long-winded, spouting off of neatly written arglebargle is almost always code to me that someone's trying to con me.

  "arglebargle"

I love it, and I agree with you on this in practically every context except where it's required and expected due to the kinds of discussions taking place (academia). Outside of that, and especially in politics and retail, it's likely almost always true.

I like this new term also. I plan on using it as often as possible.