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« on: August 20, 2018, 05:37:23 PM »
« edited: August 20, 2018, 05:44:22 PM by Old School Republican »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2018/07/11/confirming-brett-kavanaugh-twelve-years-ago-and-his-prospects-today/#1386848238fa


Democrats blocked Kavanaugh from getting an up and down vote for 3 years


Democrats who say what the GOP did with Garland was unprecedented, remember your party blocked Kavanaugh from getting a vote for 3 years and did it for a far less powerful seat than the GOP did with Garland.



So the idea that the GOP is the only party to blame for this is just not true
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2018, 05:57:26 PM »

Nominations to the lower courts have been blocked by the minority forever That is not new. What is new is taking that to the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 06:01:03 PM »

How does the seat being less powerful make it better?
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2018, 06:06:10 PM »

Nominations to the lower courts have been blocked by the minority forever That is not new. What is new is taking that to the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court Nominations should be held to a higher standard that lower courts
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2018, 06:09:26 PM »

Well, now that we know how pervy Kavanagh was when he was writing up the outline for the dirty parts of the Starr report..
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2018, 06:38:52 PM »

If Barack Obama wanted his nominee confirmed he should have nominated a conservative.  It was the will of the Senate.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2018, 06:59:33 PM »

I do believe the Democrats have some responsibility in this (or at least Harry Reid). But there is a big difference between instigating the "nuclear option" and not even being willing to give a nominee a hearing, leaving the Supreme Court with an opening for over a year. That was wrong on so many levels. At least have a hearing and give them the thumbs down.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2018, 07:01:05 PM »

If Barack Obama wanted his nominee confirmed he should have nominated a conservative.  It was the will of the Senate.

If that was the will of the Senate McConnell never would have refused Garland a hearing. Garland would have been easily confirmed with Republican votes and McConnell knew that. It wasn't the will of the Senate, it was the will of McConnell and the far right.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 07:01:35 PM »

I do believe the Democrats have some responsibility in this (or at least Harry Reid). But there is a big difference between instigating the "nuclear option" and not even being willing to give a nominee a hearing, leaving the Supreme Court with an opening for over a year. That was wrong on so many levels. At least have a hearing and give them the thumbs down.

Right. It would hardly be the first nom in a late second term to be defeated on the floor, as Abe Fortas and Robert Bork could attest
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 07:08:19 PM »

Nominations to the lower courts have been blocked by the minority forever That is not new. What is new is taking that to the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court Nominations should be held to a higher standard that lower courts
I agree with this, but not in the way you intended.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2018, 07:18:26 PM »

If Barack Obama wanted his nominee confirmed he should have nominated a conservative.  It was the will of the Senate.

They still would have blocked them. Does anyone else remember when he appointed Chuck Hagel, a Republican former Senator, to be his Secretary of Defense? I remember getting calls to my house from conservative groups about how bad he would be.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2018, 07:27:20 PM »

If Barack Obama wanted his nominee confirmed he should have nominated a conservative.  It was the will of the Senate.

They still would have blocked them. Does anyone else remember when he appointed Chuck Hagel, a Republican former Senator, to be his Secretary of Defense? I remember getting calls to my house from conservative groups about how bad he would be.

Don't forget when they unanimously voted against Heritagecare/Gingrichcare/Dolecare/Romneycare.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2018, 07:32:59 PM »

Nominations to the lower courts have been blocked by the minority forever That is not new. What is new is taking that to the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court Nominations should be held to a higher standard that lower courts
I agree with this, but not in the way you intended.

Same
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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2018, 07:35:47 PM »

I do believe the Democrats have some responsibility in this (or at least Harry Reid). But there is a big difference between instigating the "nuclear option" and not even being willing to give a nominee a hearing, leaving the Supreme Court with an opening for over a year. That was wrong on so many levels. At least have a hearing and give them the thumbs down.

Reid didn't have a choice.

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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2018, 07:42:03 PM »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2018/07/11/confirming-brett-kavanaugh-twelve-years-ago-and-his-prospects-today/#1386848238fa


Democrats blocked Kavanaugh from getting an up and down vote for 3 years


Democrats who say what the GOP did with Garland was unprecedented, remember your party blocked Kavanaugh from getting a vote for 3 years and did it for a far less powerful seat than the GOP did with Garland.



So the idea that the GOP is the only party to blame for this is just not true


Nothing like a recommendation from a outed psychopath to make me think that metaphorically burning the Republican party to the ground, putting the ashes inside sealed vault and then burying it in a toxic waste dump is a good idea.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2018, 09:27:48 PM »

lmao, Bill Frist writes for Forbes? Man, talk about a useless old dude whose opinion I don't care about at all.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2018, 09:28:53 PM »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2018/07/11/confirming-brett-kavanaugh-twelve-years-ago-and-his-prospects-today/#1386848238fa


Democrats blocked Kavanaugh from getting an up and down vote for 3 years


Democrats who say what the GOP did with Garland was unprecedented, remember your party blocked Kavanaugh from getting a vote for 3 years and did it for a far less powerful seat than the GOP did with Garland.



So the idea that the GOP is the only party to blame for this is just not true


Nothing like a recommendation from a outed psychopath to make me think that metaphorically burning the Republican party to the ground, putting the ashes inside sealed vault and then burying it in a toxic waste dump is a good idea.

Who are you calling a psychopath
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2018, 10:43:34 PM »

I do believe the Democrats have some responsibility in this (or at least Harry Reid). But there is a big difference between instigating the "nuclear option" and not even being willing to give a nominee a hearing, leaving the Supreme Court with an opening for over a year. That was wrong on so many levels. At least have a hearing and give them the thumbs down.

Reid didn't have a choice.

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Yeah, it was bad. I still don't know if the nuclear option was the right choice to deal with it, though, since it was obvious Republicans would take advantage of it, as well.

But yeah, if you want to talk blocking, the Republicans good the record. I just will own up to the fact that Democrats are not blameless, either. Bit they're nowhere near as bad. I will be angry about Garland for a very long time, and that's really nothing compared to what Republicans have done to the lower courts.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2018, 07:39:03 AM »

I do believe the Democrats have some responsibility in this (or at least Harry Reid). But there is a big difference between instigating the "nuclear option" and not even being willing to give a nominee a hearing, leaving the Supreme Court with an opening for over a year. That was wrong on so many levels. At least have a hearing and give them the thumbs down.

Reid didn't have a choice.

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Yeah, it was bad. I still don't know if the nuclear option was the right choice to deal with it, though, since it was obvious Republicans would take advantage of it, as well.

But yeah, if you want to talk blocking, the Republicans good the record. I just will own up to the fact that Democrats are not blameless, either. Bit they're nowhere near as bad. I will be angry about Garland for a very long time, and that's really nothing compared to what Republicans have done to the lower courts.

If you have to agree not to use the filibuster in order to preserve it, then functionally it already doesn't exist.
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2018, 02:10:13 PM »

What McConnell did was shameless, and deceitful, and it will haunt the GOP in 2018, when they lose control of Congress
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2018, 02:20:43 PM »

If Barack Obama wanted his nominee confirmed he should have nominated a conservative.  It was the will of the Senate.

They still would have blocked them. Does anyone else remember when he appointed Chuck Hagel, a Republican former Senator, to be his Secretary of Defense? I remember getting calls to my house from conservative groups about how bad he would be.

Hagel was blackballed by the Republicans because he had the audacity to question Bush's quagmire.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2018, 03:02:11 PM »

I do believe the Democrats have some responsibility in this (or at least Harry Reid). But there is a big difference between instigating the "nuclear option" and not even being willing to give a nominee a hearing, leaving the Supreme Court with an opening for over a year. That was wrong on so many levels. At least have a hearing and give them the thumbs down.

Reid didn't have a choice.

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Yeah, it was bad. I still don't know if the nuclear option was the right choice to deal with it, though, since it was obvious Republicans would take advantage of it, as well.

But yeah, if you want to talk blocking, the Republicans good the record. I just will own up to the fact that Democrats are not blameless, either. Bit they're nowhere near as bad. I will be angry about Garland for a very long time, and that's really nothing compared to what Republicans have done to the lower courts.

If you have to agree not to use the filibuster in order to preserve it, then functionally it already doesn't exist.

Yeah, this is why the "gang of 14" made literally no sense. "Hey Democrats, if you promise to vote with us on everything, we won't make your votes meaningless!"
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2018, 05:35:37 PM »

The only problem with this is they eventually relented. Kavanaugh is a partisan hack
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2018, 05:40:16 PM »

Yes, they had the idea to try to steal the seat by holding it vacant through the 2004 election. It only failed because the Dem party was routed in the 2004 election.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2018, 06:24:22 PM »

If Barack Obama wanted his nominee confirmed he should have nominated a conservative.  It was the will of the Senate.

They still would have blocked them. Does anyone else remember when he appointed Chuck Hagel, a Republican former Senator, to be his Secretary of Defense? I remember getting calls to my house from conservative groups about how bad he would be.

Hagel was blackballed by the Republicans because he had the audacity to question Bush's quagmire.

I also recall some odd anti-Zionist accusations.
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