Saudi Arabia beheads female activist in public (unverified)

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https://www.yjc.ir/en/news/27612/saudi-arabia-beheads-female-activist-in-public-report

[GoTfan]

But it's okay because the Saudis are our allies.

[Cashew]

#alsaudmustgo
#regimechange
#sanctionsonsaudi

[thumb21]

#alsaudmustgo
#regimechange
#sanctionsonsaudi

[Greatblueheron]

It’s really sad the US government doesn’t take horrific Human rights violations in countries like Saudi Arabia and Israel as seriously as those in countries like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and Syria. It’s hard for the US to take the Moral high ground of being “Leader of the free world”, when we ignore and give tacit support to human rights violations in countries we support, while feigning moral outrage to human rights violations in countries we don’t like.

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That,  killing Yemeni children, and threatening Canada with a terrorist attack prove that they are a really good country for use to be allies with.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

How about we back a violent coup here.

[Yellowhammer]

Saudi Arabia sucks, as does pretty much every other Middle Eastern country.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Meh, Iran is the real threat!!!

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Saudi Arabia sucks, as does pretty much every other Middle Eastern country.

While there is obviously no shortage of sucking in that area of the world, Saudi Arabia particularly sucks.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Meh, Iran is the real threat!!!

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

But it's okay because the Saudis are our allies. that's their culture.

Fixed that for the left perspective.

[SATW]

Atrocious behavior by KSA and Washington needs to denounce it diplomatically as fast as possible with the most firm response as possible.

[SATW]

To add on:

The posters, myself included, who have stated that KSA is less worse than Iran have, for the most part, stated this from a geopolitical view. On a pure human rights violating level, I see no difference between the two. They are both gross violators of human rights.

Iranian Human Rights Violations:


https://www.rferl.org/a/executions-down-globally-2018-but-remain-high-iran-pakistan-amnesty-international-report/29160312.html
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/01/iran-authorities-execute-man-in-exceptionally-cruel-circumstances/
https://en.radiofarda.com/a/amnesty-international-report-iran/29162924.html
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/iran

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iran-executes-gay-teenager-in-violation-of-international-law-463234
https://www.timesofisrael.com/several-reported-killed-as-iranian-forces-open-fire-on-protesters/

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/emanuele-ottolenghi-state-sponsors-of-terrorism-an-examination-of-irans-global-terrorism-networ/

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/media-hit/iranian-backed-militia-profiles/


Not related to executions, but still relevant to Iran smothering civil liberties:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/iranian-researcher-went-home-serve-his-country-now-i-realize-i-m-lucky-i-m-not-prison


Yemen War:
https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/yemen-s-houthi-rebels-committing-war-crimes-in-hodeidah-human-rights-minister-says-1.740777
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-22/yemen-houthis-and-saudi-forces-hold-up-food-aid-fuel/9897684
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/yemen
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/09/yemen-the-forgotten-war/


KSA Human Rights Violations:


https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/saudi-arabia
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabias-human-rights-abuses-10-examples-a6794576.html
https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia/report-saudi-arabia/


I'll admit, I've gotten unnecessarily heated in discussing this topic. Especially since both sides of this  middle eastern fiasco are pretty awful.

But, there are posters who are clearly making up covers or excuses for Iran by claiming KSA is completely worse.

[President Johnson]

Only bad when ISIS thugs do it. Saudi-Arabia is our ally.

Honestly, this regime should be sanctioned to hell and not be considered an ally. They're sponsoring terror and spread the worst ideology of Islam. Saudi-Arabia is far worse then Iran when it comes to democracy, civil rights and liberties. Especially their treatment of women is a disgrace and incompatible with western values. When do our leaders recognize this?

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Meh, Iran is the real threat!!!

You guys know what's funny. Iran haven't launch any open agressive war in modern times, though it's been heavily involved in many conflicts.

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Of course saying "but Saudi Arabia" is no argument to absolve Iranian regime's serious human rights violations. The same of course goes for "but Iran" told solely to make Saudis look better.

I congratulate Sunrise on his effortpost with numerous sources, a rarity in current discourse. However, At the same time I think it's impossible to deny the people of Iran have significantly more personal/cultural, even political freedom than KSA.


And before I'm going to be accused for pro-Iran regime's bias, I'd just mention that I've been heavily involved in campaigning against executing minors there (including starting and running the Polish chapter of the campaign to save this girl, ulimately unsuccessfully) and took part in every protest during 2009 election. I hate the regime because I love Persian people and culture.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Meh, Iran is the real threat!!!

You guys know what's funny. Iran haven't launch any open agressive war in modern times, though it's been heavily involved in many conflicts.

Ironically enough, Iran was a close ally to Israel during the Arab-Israeli wars and all the way up until the late 1970's.

[Hifly]

We cannot even begin to make comparisons between civil liberties and quality of life in Iran versus a country where the words "election" and "suffrage" do not even exist.

[Torie]

I can't figure out the sequence of these updates from another site, but it may be that this story is fake news.

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But it's okay because the Saudis are our allies. that's their culture.

Fixed that for the left perspective.

Nationalism is a doctrine based on cultural relativism.

How many times have you heard a right Nationalist say something like "if you love Islam so much move to the middle East!"? To the nationalist, there is no such thing as universal values and the borders of a country are impermeable  Barrie's from criticism.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

But it's okay because the Saudis are our allies. that's their culture.

Fixed that for the left perspective.

Nationalism is a doctrine based on cultural relativism.

How many times have you heard a right Nationalist say something like "if you love Islam so much move to the middle East!"? To the nationalist, there is no such thing as universal values and the borders of a country are impermeable  Barrie's from criticism.

What's wrong with wanting to protect your own (western) culture from being damaged or destroyed? Leave the beheadings in the M.E. and work for a long-term new enlightenment of Islam (they did have a rational Golden Age once, maybe they can again).

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But it's okay because the Saudis are our allies. that's their culture.

Fixed that for the left perspective.

Nationalism is a doctrine based on cultural relativism.

How many times have you heard a right Nationalist say something like "if you love Islam so much move to the middle East!"? To the nationalist, there is no such thing as universal values and the borders of a country are impermeable  Barrie's from criticism.

What's wrong with wanting to protect your own (western) culture from being damaged or destroyed? Leave the beheadings in the M.E. and work for a long-term new enlightenment of Islam (they did have a rational Golden Age once, maybe they can again).

Because I'm not a cultural relativist who is ok with people being beheaded in any country?

[Mopsus]

Nationalism is a doctrine based on cultural relativism.

How many times have you heard a right Nationalist say something like "if you love Islam so much move to the middle East!"? To the nationalist, there is no such thing as universal values and the borders of a country are impermeable  Barrie's from criticism.

What's wrong with wanting to protect your own (western) culture from being damaged or destroyed? Leave the beheadings in the M.E. and work for a long-term new enlightenment of Islam (they did have a rational Golden Age once, maybe they can again).

Because I'm not a cultural relativist who is ok with people being beheaded in any country?

If you’re against beheadings, you’ll want to protect your country from the influence of beheaders, while encouraging anti-beheaders in other countries. “Actually, conservatives are the REAL postmodernists” isn’t going to catch on.

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Nationalism is a doctrine based on cultural relativism.

How many times have you heard a right Nationalist say something like "if you love Islam so much move to the middle East!"? To the nationalist, there is no such thing as universal values and the borders of a country are impermeable  Barrie's from criticism.

What's wrong with wanting to protect your own (western) culture from being damaged or destroyed? Leave the beheadings in the M.E. and work for a long-term new enlightenment of Islam (they did have a rational Golden Age once, maybe they can again).

Because I'm not a cultural relativist who is ok with people being beheaded in any country?

If you’re against beheadings, you’ll want to protect your country from the influence of beheaders, while encouraging anti-beheaders in other countries. “Actually, conservatives are the REAL postmodernists” isn’t going to catch on.

And if you're a nationalist, you have to respect "national cultures" and that different people's have different ethics, deserve different standards of human rights etc. You're not allowed to criticise other countries because of the stupid nonsense that is "sovereignty", something dreamt up by national elites that enjoy exploiting their captive populations without criticism.