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Question: Should the US have Daylight Saving Time (Summer Time)?
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No
 
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Yes, as it is, but states besides AZ, HI can opt out
 
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Yes, as it is, nationwide except AZ, HI
 
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Yes, year round, but move time zone boundaries
 
#5
Yes, year round, and keep time zone boundaries as they are
 
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Other
 
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« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2018, 05:15:40 PM »

Keep it year round- and adjust boundaries so that nowhere (except far north places where it is impossible) has a sunset earlier than 5:30.  No one should have to get off work, emerge from the day, and have it be dark.

If adjusting the boundaries isn't an option, then I would support DST in the winter and double DST in the summer.  There is no need for daylight at 5-something AM in the summer, but being light until 9 or 10 at night would be incredible.
Come to Michigan! The sun sets after 9 PM all through June and July in most of the state.

I think the idea of year-round DST is that we would not ever have to change our clocks again.
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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2018, 05:24:22 PM »

Y'all do realize year-round DST is effectively the same as abolishing DST and changing every time zone one hour to the east, right?
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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2018, 05:35:10 PM »

Y'all do realize year-round DST is effectively the same as abolishing DST and changing every time zone one hour to the east, right?
Yes.

Option 5 is to do just that. Option 4 is the same except the time zones would be tweaked a bit: western and much or Northern MI, as well as IN, would be moved to Central time, and perhaps AZ would be moved to Pacific time.

One "plus" of changing our clocks twice a year is that, while we get nice extra evening daylight in the summer as compared to winter, sunrise times throughout the year don't change as much. Year-round DST would eliminate this advantage, but I feel the removal of one day out of the year when everyone is extra tired (and accidents go up) would outweigh this. Of course, I am aware that lots of people disagree.
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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2018, 05:57:30 PM »

Historically, many populated areas of the country have wanted to set their clocks later. If you look at the first standard time zone map in the US, set up by the railroads in 1883, you'll see areas that aren't in the time zone where they started. For example all of OH was in Central Time back then, but they wanted more light later and shifted east. Compared to 1883 OH is now on double Daylight Time during the summer.



It's also interesting to note that the railway time zones typically changed at the stations, not at state lines.
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2018, 06:12:59 PM »

Historically, many populated areas of the country have wanted to set their clocks later. If you look at the first standard time zone map in the US, set up by the railroads in 1883, you'll see areas that aren't in the time zone where they started. For example all of OH was in Central Time back then, but they wanted more light later and shifted east. Compared to 1883 OH is now on double Daylight Time during the summer.



It's also interesting to note that the railway time zones typically changed at the stations, not at state lines.
Very interesting. If I lived in Cleveland I'd want to be on Eastern time, too.

Now, not only Ohio but most of Indiana is in the Eastern time zone. And Indiana has observed DST since 2006. Thus, on March 11, 2018, the sun rose in Terre Haute at 8:05 AM and set at 7:53 PM.

As Wikipedia notes, DST in Indiana is a subject of continued debate.
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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2018, 06:51:46 PM »

As the railway map shows, IN is relatively close to the 90th meridian, which is nominally the ideal for Central Time. By being on EST and not changing, it is like being on continuous CDT. That's a better description for their longitude.
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2018, 08:04:15 PM »

It's an arbitrary, antiquated, pointless practice that does more harm than good at this point in time. And, from a more selfish vantage point, I want my extra hour of sleep back!
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« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2018, 05:08:20 AM »

Write-in: extend DST all year long.
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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2018, 06:17:53 AM »

Frankly, I'd much rather have that extra hour of sunlight in the morning than in the evening during the summer.  Some extra time to work in the yard in the cool of the morning before heading off to work rather than having to do it in the heat of the evening after work would be lovely.
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2018, 07:38:54 AM »

Daylight Savings Time is here to stay. No one wants the Sun to come out at 4 in the morning in the summer and sunset at 7 in the evening in the Summer.

Then let's stay on DST the whole year and just call that standard time and do away with the concept of changing the clocks twice a year.

Frankly, I'd much rather have that extra hour of sunlight in the morning than in the evening during the summer.  Some extra time to work in the yard in the cool of the morning before heading off to work rather than having to do it in the heat of the evening after work would be lovely.

Not a morning person so I can't relate. Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2018, 09:00:45 AM »

Daylight Savings Time is here to stay. No one wants the Sun to come out at 4 in the morning in the summer and sunset at 7 in the evening in the Summer.

Then let's stay on DST the whole year and just call that standard time and do away with the concept of changing the clocks twice a year.


That's why I voted yes, all year, but move the boundaries. Voting no, but move the boundaries wasn't an option.
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