Is Cuomo's "America wasn't that great" gaffe going to hurt him & Democrats?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/15/andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great/

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonCampbellGAN/status/1029798206937485313?ref_src=tws...

It's also ironic that conservatives are outraged by this when Trump's entire 2016 campaign was about "Making America Great Again". So obviously to Trump and the 63 million Americans who voted for him, America wasn't great?

[Pandaguineapig]

No, but it reveals Cuomo is a god-awful retail politician and likely not a serious presidential contender. Mario Cuomo may have been a good man, but his sons are complete idiots.

[Santander]

America was only great if you were white.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/08/15/andrew-cuomo-america-was-never-that-great/

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonCampbellGAN/status/1029798206937485313?ref_src=tws...

It's also ironic that conservatives are outraged by this when Trump's entire 2016 campaign was about "Making America Great Again". So obviously to Trump and the 63 million Americans who voted for him, America wasn't great?

MAGA implies that America was once great and can be once again. That's not what Cuomo said.

Cuomo never said that America wasn't great at all.

Also, Trump and his supporters never answered the question "When was America great?"

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

While I think he's. right we have never been as awesome as we like to tell ourselves, I'm skeptical that campaigning on truth - particularly that specific truth - would be very successful.

Even without this, I think Cuomo would be an awful nominee.

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1) Cuomo's presidential candidacy is a lost cause so this comment doesn't really matter for him.

2) The only people who would be deterred from a generic Democrat by this statement are partisan mouthbreathers who have a <5% chance of voting for a generic Democrat anyway

3) Most Americans don't think America is that great right now.

[SingingAnalyst]

1) Cuomo's presidential candidacy is a lost cause so this comment doesn't really matter for him.

2) The only people who would be deterred from a generic Democrat by this statement are partisan mouthbreathers who have a <5% chance of voting for a generic Democrat anyway

3) Most Americans don't think America is that great right now.

Since 2006 it has never been above 40%. Pretty sad.

[DavidB.]

Isn't this a mainstream position among Democrats?

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

Yes, but he isn't popular among Democrats, he is popular among the NY Senate GOP, that he help ascend to power, with party switches. They don't matter in a Democratic primary

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

Andrew Cuomo's grandparents were immigrants from Campania; they owned a bodega in Queens. Within a single generation, the Cuomos moved into the governor's mansion and Andrea's son would be talked of as a presidential prospect.

America: not that great of a country.

[7,052,770]

It will definitely be used against him if he runs in 2020

[OSR stands with Israel]

At the very least it should hurt him

[Orthogonian Society Treasurer]

https://twitter.com/zackfinknews/status/1029868663019581440?s=21

[KingSweden]

It’ll be forgotten within a week. As others have said, though, it further underlined what a crap-tier retail pol Cuomo is. The apple fell far from the tree.

[IceSpear]

It’ll be forgotten within a week. As others have said, though, it further underlined what a crap-tier retail pol Cuomo is. The apple fell far from the tree.

[cvparty]

conservatives are probably mad that he said america was never great. they voted for trump because they felt america wasn’t great under obama

[ON Progressive]

It’ll be forgotten within a week. As others have said, though, it further underlined what a crap-tier retail pol Cuomo is. The apple fell far from the tree.

[Mette Frederiksen Stan]

East coast Democrats tend to be sh**te.

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https://twitter.com/zackfinknews/status/1029868663019581440?s=21

A tale of two Cuomos

[Dabeav]

America was only great if you were white.

Thousands of whites killed each other over the freeing of black slaves.

[Dabeav]

A run of bad government is not the same as America not being great.

1) Cuomo's presidential candidacy is a lost cause so this comment doesn't really matter for him.

2) The only people who would be deterred from a generic Democrat by this statement are partisan mouthbreathers who have a <5% chance of voting for a generic Democrat anyway

3) Most Americans don't think America is that great right now.

Since 2006 it has never been above 40%. Pretty sad.

[Dr. Arch]

America was only great if you were white.

Thousands of whites killed each other over the freeing of black slaves.

That should put things into perspective.

Cuomo did not lie or exaggerate. Sorry, not sorry. Here's my quote from a related thread:

If you choose to ignore numerous human rights abuses that started before independence and lasted until about 1965 then you probably do have model for a really great country, but you can't rewrite history and reality has to be accepted.

Slavery 1619-1865
Displacement of Native Americans 1600s-1800s
Jim Crow 1870s-1965
Asian immigrants expelled from California towns (1880s)
Lynching 1882-1964 (up until 1935 there were lynchings in the double digits)
Japanese Internment (1940s)
Legal citizens deported in Operation Wetback (1950s)

That is a terrible human rights record for a first world nation even if it is in the past. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that the country is not perfect and has become better over the past few decades. Cuomo is not even going to come remotely close to losing over this and his presidential campaign probably won't go anywhere but that is because he hasn't been as liberal as some Democrats would like.

Don't forget all the uninformed and previously untested drug trials on Puerto Ricans, the bombing practices on the Puerto Rican island of Vieques (a municipality still suffering from contaminated fields and elevated cancer rates), the Flint water poisoning, the disastrous (and very much intentional) response to the María catastrophe, the constant foreign intervention causing power vacuums and breeding terrorist cells, the constant state of war, the carelessness for its citizens' health (see the healthcare debate vs. practically any other first-worst country), etc. etc.

This country is great (in the sense that exceptionalism constantly pushes) only if you're a member of certain subgroups and/or incredibly wealthy or well off. I'll change my mind once I see it change.

[DrScholl]

America was only great if you were white.

Thousands of whites killed each other over the freeing of black slaves.

The Confederacy attacking Fort Sumter was what started the Civil War. While the confederate states seceded over slavery, the union was fighting more over secession than it was over slavery. Cotton and tobacco were worth a lot of money and the union certainly didn't want to lose that.

[Dabeav]

But that isn't why the individuals that joined the Union fought necessarily.

America was only great if you were white.

Thousands of whites killed each other over the freeing of black slaves.

The Confederacy attacking Fort Sumter was what started the Civil War. While the confederate states seceded over slavery, the union was fighting more over secession than it was over slavery. Cotton and tobacco were worth a lot of money and the union certainly didn't want to lose that.

[DrScholl]

But that isn't why the individuals that joined the Union fought necessarily.

Of course no one can say that all of those who fought for the Union had the same intentions, but the intent of the Union going to war was not strictly over slavery. Plus, slavery wasn't really profitable anymore so some on the Union side had economic reasons to oppose or be indifferent to it.