Oklahoma School Shuts Down 2 Days After Parents Threaten Transgender 7th Grader

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I think this should hinge on whether or not these allegations about this transgender student are true. If they are not, the parents should pay a high price for this, but if they are true, the transgender student needs to be punished accordingly.

The parents should pay a high price regardless.

If the allegations against the student are true, then they should indeed be punished accordingly. They should receive the same punishment as if a male student was looking over the stall at other male students in the boy’s restroom.

You're slick.  That was slickly worded.  If the transgender student did, indeed, look over a stall, the females whose privacy were violated did, indeed, suffer a greater invasion of privacy than if it was a male doing it in the boys room.

This is a male student (anatomically) in a female restroom.  He's possibly there against school rules, period.  He shouldn't be there.  He's physically male, he's a male on school records, and it doesn't matter one whit what anyone else thinks.  This transgender child peeping into a girl's stall (if he did it; that's not been confirmed) is a worse invasion of privacy and deserves a harsher penalty.

What that penalty should be, I don't know.  My sympathy here is with the well-behaved parents of female students who are getting brushed off, the welfare of their daughters ignored.

[C r a b c a k e]

I think conservatives should be banned from bathrooms: they are a threat to children.

[Grassroots]

These parents should be prosecuted and have their kids taken away.

Canada.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I think conservatives should be banned from bathrooms: they are a threat to children.

It's true. They are the party that nominated Roy Moore, after all.

[Kingpoleon]

Oklahoma is obviously conservative but this behavior is actually insane. Third world insane.

The South would be a basket case dictatorship if it were a country.

If you believe that a rumor like this would only elicit these reactions in Oklahoma or the South, you're kidding yourselves.

Only? Certainly not.

A markedly disproportionate share? Absolutely.

Eh. There’s a reason New York City has historically been anti-immigrant, voted in a pro-Confederacy mayor, has been very ugly to Jews and Catholics in particular, is one of the most segregated cities in the country by racial and economic status, and has consistently been a bastion of the Black Panther Party, Antifa, and radicals like Lenora Fulani, James H. Madole, Andrej Lisanik, John Patler, Dan Burros, and a host of other supremacists and racists.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

These parents should be prosecuted and have their kids taken away.

luckily Jeff Sessions is really good at this sort of thing.

[Badger]

Oklahoma is obviously conservative but this behavior is actually insane. Third world insane.

The South would be a basket case dictatorship if it were a country.

If you believe that a rumor like this would only elicit these reactions in Oklahoma or the South, you're kidding yourselves.

Only? Certainly not.

A markedly disproportionate share? Absolutely.

Eh. There’s a reason New York City has historically been anti-immigrant, voted in a pro-Confederacy mayor, has been very ugly to Jews and Catholics in particular, is one of the most segregated cities in the country by racial and economic status, and has consistently been a bastion of the Black Panther Party, Antifa, and radicals like Lenora Fulani, James H. Madole, Andrej Lisanik, John Patler, Dan Burros, and a host of other supremacists and racists.

Quite the stretch bringing in the 1861 NYC mayoral election to prove your point, but cool story, bro.

[Dr. MB]

I guess it's an unpopular opinion in this thread to not hate on a place because of the actions of a couple people, eh?

[CookieDamage]

I guess it's an unpopular opinion in this thread to not hate on a place because of the actions of a couple people, eh?

It's Oklahoma. Those "couple people" are parents who are raising children and probably have more explicit support and implicit tolerance from many more people in Oklahoma then they would in places like NY, NJ, AZ, or even TX.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

I guess it's an unpopular opinion in this thread to not hate on a place because of the actions of a couple people, eh?

It's Oklahoma. Those "couple people" are parents who are raising children and probably have more explicit support and implicit tolerance from many more people in Oklahoma then they would in places like NY, NJ, AZ, or even TX.

Of course, you're likely not a parent, and, possibly, not even a legal adult.  What that means is that you have no idea, mentally and emotionally, what it means to be a parent, responsible for the well-being of the life of another.  Having been one, and still (at age 61) being the parent of a now-teenager), I get it on what it means to be responsible for everything about a child.  Because I am, together with my wife, so responsible, and by law, as well as in fact.

For those who don't have such responsibility, their focus is on their idea of "equality" and their idea of "freedom", which now, apparently, includes the concept of "You're a girl/boy if you say you are." and are pro-choice when it comes to the use of restrooms.  And there's a degree of nobility to that; caring about and advocating for the underdog and the outcast is a noble thing, and certainly has its place.  I believe that, in his lifetime, Charles Manson deserved to be confined in a humane manner while in prison, to the extent that security concerns allowed that.  What he did not deserve was a parole; his crime was to heinous and his methods of controlling the actions of others too worrisome to allow such an event.  A second chance for some is not in the best interest of the whole at times, and second chances for some represent grace and not right.

Is it "bigoted" for parents of girls who attend this school to be concerned about a biological male using the girls restroom, period?  Is it unreasonable for them to be concerned over reports that this biological male peeped other girls in the restroom (unproven, but not explicitly denied by the school at this writing)?  Is it unreasonable for these parents to be concerned that this biological male used the girls restroom in violation of directives after an arrangement that allowed this biological male to not have to use the boys room was reached?  Or is it right concern to prevent a traumatic experience from happening? 

Now the Facebook threats are one issue; those parents may well face criminal liability for their actions.  This biological male student and the parents of this student deserve to be free from threats and intimidation, and no student has less of a right to a public education than another.  But what about the parents, and especially the parents of girls at that school?  Just exactly what should THEIR reaction have been to their reports that a biological male was using the girls room, and (quite possibly) was doing so against the directives of the school?   What, exactly, should they have thought, and what, exactly, should they have done?

I'll gain some respect for people who disagree with me if they're able to actually give a coherent response to how those parents should have reacted.  I'll say this:  If it were one of those parents, I would expect the school to enforce the agreement that made special arrangements for that child to not have to use the boys room, without using the girls room.  I would not have made public comments disparaging the child, but I would have put the entire onus on the school to enforce what, to me, should not be considered remarkable.  And, in this case, I don't think it's unique to Oklahoma that parents should find the idea that the special accomodation of allowing a biological male into a female restroom should fall on half the student body and not just the one student.