A piece of evidence to show media outlets accept conservative assumptions

[136or142]

This may not be technically correct according to formal philosophy, but
1.An ideology is a framework to make sense of the world (Alan Greenspan said something like that.)
2.An assumption is a viewpoint that buttresses the ideological framework.

https://twitter.com/JesseCharlesLee/status/1028303308681867264

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1028274839897952262

[Badger]

Couldn't agree more. But then I loathe Ayn Rand.

[Beet]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

[136or142]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

The only reason for that (assuming its true) is that tax cuts that have led to deficits of around $1 trillion a year have already passed.  So, if you go back to when Ryan started, using the premise of your argument, they are as extreme as each other.  When Ryan was first elected in 1998 and George W Bush was elected two years after that, the forcasts were for 'surpluses as far as the eye can see.'

[GoTfan]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

The only reason for that (assuming its true) is that tax cuts that have led to deficits of around $1 trillion a year have already passed.  So, if you go back to when Ryan started, using the premise of your argument, they are as extreme as each other.  When Ryan was first elected in 1998 and George W Bush was elected two years after that, the forcasts were for 'surpluses as far as the eye can see.'

Then There's also the cost of the Iraq War. What was that again? 2 trillion?

[Beet]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

The only reason for that (assuming its true) is that tax cuts that have led to deficits of around $1 trillion a year have already passed.  So, if you go back to when Ryan started, using the premise of your argument, they are as extreme as each other.  When Ryan was first elected in 1998 and George W Bush was elected two years after that, the forcasts were for 'surpluses as far as the eye can see.'

Then There's also the cost of the Iraq War. What was that again? 2 trillion?

The Iraq War was a liberal project.

[GoTfan]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

The only reason for that (assuming its true) is that tax cuts that have led to deficits of around $1 trillion a year have already passed.  So, if you go back to when Ryan started, using the premise of your argument, they are as extreme as each other.  When Ryan was first elected in 1998 and George W Bush was elected two years after that, the forcasts were for 'surpluses as far as the eye can see.'

Then There's also the cost of the Iraq War. What was that again? 2 trillion?

The Iraq War was a liberal project.

I think my mind was just blown by the sheer stupidity of this comment.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

but muh liberal media

[darklordoftech]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

Nobody's making you vote for either of them.

[JA]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

To paraphrase: it’s ok to handwave away trillions, but only if you handwave away the right trillions (military budgets, deficits resulting from tax cuts, etc...).

[Zaybay]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

The only reason for that (assuming its true) is that tax cuts that have led to deficits of around $1 trillion a year have already passed.  So, if you go back to when Ryan started, using the premise of your argument, they are as extreme as each other.  When Ryan was first elected in 1998 and George W Bush was elected two years after that, the forcasts were for 'surpluses as far as the eye can see.'

Then There's also the cost of the Iraq War. What was that again? 2 trillion?

The Iraq War was a liberal project.

I think my mind was just blown by the sheer stupidity of this comment.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

This seems pretty obvious to me.

The single biggest contributor to President Fox News winning elections was the stubborn insistence of the media (both left and right) on treating him like a serious candidate, when the truth was (and still is) that the reality TV star is actually in the same class of candidate as Vermin Supreme.

[darklordoftech]

This seems pretty obvious to me.

The single biggest contributor to President Fox News winning elections was the stubborn insistence of the media (both left and right) on treating him like a serious candidate, when the truth was (and still is) that the reality TV star is actually in the same class of candidate as Vermin Supreme.

[IceSpear]

but muh liberal media

[For Trump, everything. For immigrants, the law]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

[Yank2133]

This seems pretty obvious to me.

The single biggest contributor to President Fox News winning elections was the stubborn insistence of the media (both left and right) on treating him like a serious candidate, when the truth was (and still is) that the reality TV star is actually in the same class of candidate as Vermin Supreme.

Bingo.

The perfect example of this was after Parkland, Trump said we should arm teachers. Everyone knows this is dumb as hell and yet you had CNN, MSNBC etc. having a liberal pundit and conservative pundit debate this as if it is a serious proposal.

Nothing is every going to change until we stop giving bad faith actors agency.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I'm not particularly surprised. The right has controlled the narrative of most issues since the 1980, maybe even before then. It's become ingrained in our society.

[Badger]

The difference is that Ryan will hand-wave hundreds of billions on the deficit, but Ocasio's plans will cost trillions on top of that. Ocasio is far more extreme than Ryan.

The only reason for that (assuming its true) is that tax cuts that have led to deficits of around $1 trillion a year have already passed.  So, if you go back to when Ryan started, using the premise of your argument, they are as extreme as each other.  When Ryan was first elected in 1998 and George W Bush was elected two years after that, the forcasts were for 'surpluses as far as the eye can see.'

Then There's also the cost of the Iraq War. What was that again? 2 trillion?

The Iraq War was a liberal project.

I think my mind was just blown by the sheer stupidity of this comment.

Yep. Beet officially goes on ignore.

RIP once non-a-hole poster. You're long dead and gone.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

Are you guys just high of something or do you actually believe this crap?

[IceSpear]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

Are you guys just high of something or do you actually believe this crap?

If it wasn't for the media your god emperor wouldn't be president now. Republicans should really be more grateful.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

Are you guys just high of something or do you actually believe this crap?

If it wasn't for the media your god emperor wouldn't be president now. Republicans should really be more grateful.

Grateful that the media regularly disparaged Trump and Trump supporters?  We won in spite of, not because.

[IceSpear]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

Are you guys just high of something or do you actually believe this crap?

If it wasn't for the media your god emperor wouldn't be president now. Republicans should really be more grateful.

Grateful that the media regularly disparaged Trump and Trump supporters?  We won in spite of, not because.

No, grateful that they torpedoed his opponent with constant character assassination, including an all out blitz against her in the final week of the election. American Politics is a zero sum game, especially due to the two party system, so even though they don't like Trump either, this helped him. If they were as liberal or biased as the right claims, they would've just ignored or severely downplayed the email story and Comey's letter, the same way FOX News ignores, downplays, or spins any negative story about Trump/Republicans.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

Are you guys just high of something or do you actually believe this crap?

If it wasn't for the media your god emperor wouldn't be president now. Republicans should really be more grateful.

Grateful that the media regularly disparaged Trump and Trump supporters?  We won in spite of, not because.

No, grateful that they torpedoed his opponent with constant character assassination, including an all out blitz against her in the final week of the election. American Politics is a zero sum game, especially due to the two party system, so even though they don't like Trump either, this helped him. If they were as liberal or biased as the right claims, they would've just ignored or severely downplayed the email story and Comey's letter, the same way FOX News ignores, downplays, or spins any negative story about Trump/Republicans.

Are you serious? Should they have just ignored Comey's press conference and not cover it at all?

[IceSpear]

but muh liberal media

Seriously, the fact that this has been repeated so many times and so many people regurgitate this statement without any thought or conclusive evidence shows that to some people, something can become true if you repeat it enough.

Are you guys just high of something or do you actually believe this crap?

If it wasn't for the media your god emperor wouldn't be president now. Republicans should really be more grateful.

Grateful that the media regularly disparaged Trump and Trump supporters?  We won in spite of, not because.

No, grateful that they torpedoed his opponent with constant character assassination, including an all out blitz against her in the final week of the election. American Politics is a zero sum game, especially due to the two party system, so even though they don't like Trump either, this helped him. If they were as liberal or biased as the right claims, they would've just ignored or severely downplayed the email story and Comey's letter, the same way FOX News ignores, downplays, or spins any negative story about Trump/Republicans.

Are you serious? Should they have just ignored Comey's press conference and not cover it at all? 

Yes, or downplay it then spin in her favor about how Comey is a partisan Republican hack out to destroy her with a witch hunt. Exactly what the propaganda outlet known as Fox News would do (and is currently doing) in that situation.

It is genuinely hilarious how Republicans call the mainstream media extremely left wing, biased, in the tank for Dems, fake news, etc. but simultaneously find the thought of them not spamming negative stories about the Democratic presidential candidate unthinkable.