Georgia precinct with 276 voters counts 670 ballots in primary election

[GeorgiaModerate]

Well it was fun while it lasted:

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The second time?

Yeah she should probably find a different job.

In the wrong-district case, Gasaway filed a lawsuit challenging the election, but I haven't seen any developments from it.

[UncleSam]

Wait people were seriously confused by this lol

I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often

[rc18]

There's an effort underway to switch us to paper ballots, possibly by this November: https://www.wabe.org/paper-ballots-in-georgia-by-november-look-to-virginia/.  I'm all for it.

We have paper ballots in the UK and it still doesn't stop people blaming the Russians for results they don't like.

[Progressive Pessimist]

There's an effort underway to switch us to paper ballots, possibly by this November: https://www.wabe.org/paper-ballots-in-georgia-by-november-look-to-virginia/.  I'm all for it.

We have paper ballots in the UK and it still doesn't stop people blaming the Russians for results they don't like.

It's not that much of a stretch. The Russians don't meddle by influencing votes directly, but instead by influencing how voters think when they enter the voting booth.

[GeorgiaModerate]

There's an effort underway to switch us to paper ballots, possibly by this November: https://www.wabe.org/paper-ballots-in-georgia-by-november-look-to-virginia/.  I'm all for it.

We have paper ballots in the UK and it still doesn't stop people blaming the Russians for results they don't like.

It's not that much of a stretch. The Russians don't meddle by influencing votes directly, but instead by influencing how voters think when they enter the voting booth.

Bingo.  This is an important distinction that seems to get lost, or deliberately obfuscated in some cases.  A common claim is that there's no evidence that the Russians "changed the outcome".  When we're talking about hacking into election systems and actually changing the votes that were cast, or the totals that should have been recorded, this is true; there hasn't (at least to date) been any evidence that this occurred.  But there is plenty of evidence that they flooded the election with deliberately false and misleading information designed to manipulate people's votes.  So in that respect, they undoubtedly did affect the outcome.

[RFKFan68]

Hopefully Judge Totenberg rules in the favor of democracy and forces Georgia to switch to paper ballots THIS YEAR.

[Virginiá]

Hopefully Judge Totenberg rules in the favor of democracy and forces Georgia to switch to paper ballots THIS YEAR.

And Kemp will no doubt let out an outburst of whining that will be heard as far as this nation's capitol if and when such a ruling is handed down.

[rc18]

There's an effort underway to switch us to paper ballots, possibly by this November: https://www.wabe.org/paper-ballots-in-georgia-by-november-look-to-virginia/.  I'm all for it.

We have paper ballots in the UK and it still doesn't stop people blaming the Russians for results they don't like.

It's not that much of a stretch. The Russians don't meddle by influencing votes directly, but instead by influencing how voters think when they enter the voting booth.

It is that much of a stretch, it's just progressive nutjobs have gone full tinfoil hat mode because it's easier to believe an even bigger lie than accept you've been fed a pack of lies. The people calling for paper ballots DO believe Russia is directly influencing elections, otherwise they wouldn't be saying it...

But assuming you are right a) why does it matter what type of ballots you use if "Russia" somehow has complete control of your elections? 

b) If it's so easy for the Russians then surely it's just as easy for your own government, or elements thereof?  How do you know the information you are getting is not anti-Russian propaganda designed blame a convenient "other" for domestic problems in the first place?

There's an effort underway to switch us to paper ballots, possibly by this November: https://www.wabe.org/paper-ballots-in-georgia-by-november-look-to-virginia/.  I'm all for it.

We have paper ballots in the UK and it still doesn't stop people blaming the Russians for results they don't like.

It's not that much of a stretch. The Russians don't meddle by influencing votes directly, but instead by influencing how voters think when they enter the voting booth.

Bingo.  This is an important distinction that seems to get lost, or deliberately obfuscated in some cases.  A common claim is that there's no evidence that the Russians "changed the outcome".  When we're talking about hacking into election systems and actually changing the votes that were cast, or the totals that should have been recorded, this is true; there hasn't (at least to date) been any evidence that this occurred.  But there is plenty of evidence that they flooded the election with deliberately false and misleading information designed to manipulate people's votes.  So in that respect, they undoubtedly did affect the outcome.

That's precisely what was being claimed on this thread...

[Adam Griffin]

^^^ If you think the demand for paper ballots in the US is just a post-2016 phenomenon, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The demonstrations involving vulnerability of DREs goes back to 2005 at least, and Georgia in particular is only one of a few states with no paper trail to confirm vote counts are accurate.

[rc18]

^^^ If you think the demand for paper ballots in the US is just a post-2016 phenomenon, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The demonstrations involving vulnerability of DREs goes back to 2005 at least, and Georgia in particular is only one of a few states with no paper trail to confirm vote counts are accurate.

I don't believe I said that did I? I was making the point it's an irrelevance to whether there are claims of vote rigging.

[Adam Griffin]

^^^ If you think the demand for paper ballots in the US is just a post-2016 phenomenon, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The demonstrations involving vulnerability of DREs goes back to 2005 at least, and Georgia in particular is only one of a few states with no paper trail to confirm vote counts are accurate.

I don't believe I said that did I? I was making the point it's an irrelevance to whether there are claims of vote rigging.

The people calling for paper ballots DO believe Russia is directly influencing elections, otherwise they wouldn't be saying it...

Considering that these specific accusations regarding meddling by Russia in US elections only began in the wake of the 2016 election, it seems you are.

[Sic Semper Fascistis]

Paper ballots are infinitely safer regardless. There is no reason not to use them.