Laura Ingraham: America as we know it doesn't exist anymore due to demographics

[ProudModerate2]

AP is reporting that shortly after Ingram did her show, "former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke tweeted a link to what she said, calling it "one of the most important (truthful) monologues in the history of MSM." He later deleted the tweet."

LOL.

[SteveRogers]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

So in your mind the “American culture” that you expect immigrants to assimilate into is synonymous with white culture? Hmmm...

[Famous Mortimer]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

So in your mind the “American culture” that you expect immigrants to assimilate into is synonymous with white culture? Hmmm...

Yes. Of course. America was 90% white for most of its history up until living memory. Why wouldn't its culture be the culture of its historic majority? You're suggesting American culture is actually the culture of people who haven't yet moved here? That makes no sense. Exactly what type of culture are you expecting them to assimilate to if not the culture of the white majority? If you think that any immigrant culture just automatically becomes "American culture" by virtue of a person being on American soil, why is assimilation even necessary?

[Cassandra]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

So in your mind the “American culture” that you expect immigrants to assimilate into is synonymous with white culture? Hmmm...

Yes. Of course. America was 90% white for most of its history up until living memory. Why wouldn't its culture be the culture of its historic majority? You're suggesting American culture is actually the culture of people who haven't yet moved here? That makes no sense. Exactly what type of culture are you expecting them to assimilate to if not the culture of the white majority? If you think that any immigrant culture just automatically becomes "American culture" by virtue of a person being on American soil, why is assimilation even necessary?

I guess if you don't count slaves or natives as people...

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Why are some of y'all so scared of America becoming less white? Or a majority-minority nation? You do realize minorities won't be inherently trying to kill you or force you to become second-class citizens like you force them into menial jobs and covertly deny them interviews if they have a hispanic name.

American culture won't "die out" or go extinct if there are less white people, and if you think American culture is tied to being white, you're racist. Asians, blacks, and Hispanics all celebrate fourth of july, speak English, and are religious, except sometimes they're not the same religion as white christians and sometimes they celebrate different holidays and speak different languages, and if you think that takes away from "your" culture and threatens the broader american culture and must be stopped, yeah, you're a racist and no I'm not arguing about it.

We no longer attempt to assimilate immigrants into American culture as we once did.  Such assimilation is what enabled a very diverse wave of immigrants (the Ellis Island immigrants) to become fully Americans, renouncing their home country when adopting this one.  We do this in the name of "diversity" and "tolerance" at the expense of national unity, and national unity ought never be compromised for the sake of diversity and tolerance when it comes to immigration policy.

In addition, we now have waves of Muslim immigrants (of all races) that we did not have previously.  There is a legitimate question as to whether or not Islam is compatible with belief in enumerated individual liberties as set forth in the Bill of Rights and a form of government that is a secular republic with democratic features.  It can be argued that to be a Muslim and agree with those concepts is to honor Islam in the breach and not in the observance.  I certainly believe that Sharia Law is at odds with our system of Constitutional government, and this is an issue that was not a factor in the Ellis Island wave of immigrants.  I am not advocating a "Muslim Ban", but I am advocating that prospective immigrants be screened to see if they are amenable to OUR form of government.  I do not believe that a person who aspires to see a Caliphate established is not a fit candidate for entry into America for purposes of a path to citizenship, or even residence.

Lol. You can feign respect for the “Ellis Island immigrants” as opposed to “today’s immigrants” all you want. But it’s clear that if you were posting this in 1890 you’d just swap out “Muslims” for “Irish Catholics.” There’s absolutely nothing new about using the idea of “preserving our culture” as a pretext for racism and xenophobia.

The Ellis Island Immigrants came to a land where there were jobs for them.  They were needed.  And they agreed to become Americans and went through a process of assimilation that immigrants simply do not go through today.

Roman Catholocism Judiasm, and Eastern Orthodoxy do not present philosophies that are incompatible to the Bill of Rights, enumerated individual liberties, and a republican form of government with democratic features.  They would not use our form of government to vote out our system of individual liberties, even if they could.  They submitted to our system of government and assimilated into our public institutions.  They brought diversity in their individual customs, but they adopted our system of government and constitutional liberties, forsaking other philosophies.  The same can be said of today's Hindu, Sikh, and Buddhist immigrants.

Islam that subscribes to Sharia Law does not do that.  In other nations, Muslims have made demand to allow Sharia Courts to decide family matters between Muslims.  This is simply incompatible with our system of Constitutional liberties, but that doesn't stop some from pushing this.  I don't think it is unreasonable to ask people their position on Sharia Law and on the status of women.  Islam has positions on this that run counter to our system of enumerated Constitutional liberties; let's not be dishonest about this.  There are Muslims who do not share this viewpoint, but it is reasonable to suggest that they honor Islam in the breach, and not in the observance.  I don't think it is unreasonable to ask prospective immigrants about their views on the role of the equality of women, and their stance on Sharia Law, as well as their acceptance of civil courts as the arbiters of family law issues.  

As to your comments about my attitude toward Ellis Island Immigrants:  These folks (some of them) are my family members (on my mother's side) and family friends that I knew personally.  I'm 61 years old, old enough to have known personally some that came from the Old Country (they were, I grant you, quite old), as well as a number of first generation Americans.  This generation of Americans, and their firstborn in America, were a fiercely patriotic group of folks that made up a significant amount of the forces that won two (2) World Wars.  They were from diverse places, but they were Americans First, just as if they were the Scot-Irish who settled Appalachia in the 1700 and 1800s.  My respect for them is hardly feigned; it's as genuine as the contempt I have for you and your intellectually lazy reliance on "Everyone I don't like is David Duke!" posturing.

I've walked my talk more in 10 minutes than you have in a lifetime.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

America was 90% white for most of its history up until living memory.

I guess if you don't count slaves or natives as people...

Well, if you go by the original Constitution, the natives didn't count and slaves were only 3/5 of a person.

Of course, at one time such insidious groups as the Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews weren't considered really white either because they weren't Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Yet today they are by fearful defenders of Judeo-Christian white heritage. (Except for some who don't think it should just be Christian white heritage.

Oh, I see while I was writing, someone posted something that speaks directly to my point, but not in the way they intended.

Roman Catholicism, Judaism, and Eastern Orthodoxy do not present philosophies that are incompatible to the Bill of Rights, enumerated individual liberties, and a republican form of government with democratic features.  They would not use our form of government to vote out our system of individual liberties, even if they could. [...] The same can be said of today's Hindu, Sikh, and Buddhist immigrants.

If only you could go back in time to the 19th century you revere and tell the fearful WASPs of that time that not all non-Protestants pose a threat and we'd have had a much less contentious history as far as ethnic strife is concerned.  No Yellow Peril to worry about.  No Catholic invasion scheming to replace the Constitution with Papal rule. No Slavic mongrels overbreeding in out slums.

The only real difference between current bigotry and past bigotry is who gets targeted.

[Famous Mortimer]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

[インターネット掲示板ユーザー Punxsutawney Phil]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

The Irish were considered white in the 1820s? Wow!
Tell me more about the history of whiteness in America.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

America was 90% white for most of its history up until living memory.

I guess if you don't count slaves or natives as people...

Well, if you go by the original Constitution, the natives didn't count and slaves were only 3/5 of a person.

Of course, at one time such insidious groups as the Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews weren't considered really white either because they weren't Anglo-Saxon Protestants. Yet today they are by fearful defenders of Judeo-Christian white heritage. (Except for some who don't think it should just be Christian white heritage.

Oh, I see while I was writing, someone posted something that speaks directly to my point, but not in the way they intended.

Roman Catholicism, Judaism, and Eastern Orthodoxy do not present philosophies that are incompatible to the Bill of Rights, enumerated individual liberties, and a republican form of government with democratic features.  They would not use our form of government to vote out our system of individual liberties, even if they could. [...] The same can be said of today's Hindu, Sikh, and Buddhist immigrants.

If only you could go back in time to the 19th century you revere and tell the fearful WASPs of that time that not all non-Protestants pose a threat and we'd have had a much less contentious history as far as ethnic strife is concerned.  No Yellow Peril to worry about.  No Catholic invasion scheming to replace the Constitution with Papal rule. No Slavic mongrels overbreeding in out slums.

The only real difference between current bigotry and past bigotry is who gets targeted.

The big difference is that in our lifetime, radical Islamists have launched deadly terror attacks on the US, culminating in 9/11, but continuing after that.  Muslim terrorism is, indeed, aided by Muslims in America; this is not in dispute.  No group of 19th century immigrants did such a thing.

I don't think it's wrong to ask people what they believe in terms of Sharia Law, Jihad, Honor Killings, and those aspects of Islam that are, on their face, clearly opposed to our form of government and our Constitutional liberties.

[Famous Mortimer]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

So in your mind the “American culture” that you expect immigrants to assimilate into is synonymous with white culture? Hmmm...

Yes. Of course. America was 90% white for most of its history up until living memory. Why wouldn't its culture be the culture of its historic majority? You're suggesting American culture is actually the culture of people who haven't yet moved here? That makes no sense. Exactly what type of culture are you expecting them to assimilate to if not the culture of the white majority? If you think that any immigrant culture just automatically becomes "American culture" by virtue of a person being on American soil, why is assimilation even necessary?

I guess if you don't count slaves or natives as people...

I was including Blacks and Natives. If I didn't include Blacks and Natives, the number would be 100%.

[Famous Mortimer]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

[libertpaulian]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Those ethnic groups weren't always considered "white."  Why do you think they faced so much discrimination?!

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Those ethnic groups weren't always considered "white."  Why do you think they faced so much discrimination?!

They faced a degree of religious discrimination.  They were always considered "white", however.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Its not only that quote, you have said in this thread that America should have remained a 90% White Nation.


Also you have said Immigrants dont assimilate anymore and that is BS. Every Immigrant I know , my family who have immigrated here , and I have all assimilated so you are wrong

[ProudModerate2]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit
Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Those ethnic groups weren't always considered "white."  Why do you think they faced so much discrimination?!

They faced a degree of religious discrimination.  They were always considered "white", however.

The discrimination many of the Irish and Italians faced was not based on "religion."

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

No, you continue to lie. The Immigration Act of 1924 was specially designed to exclude those Europeans deemed non-desirable, i.e., those from Southern and Eastern Europe. Some 86% of the quota was for immigrants from Anglo-Germanic Europe.  By then the Germans and Irish, who had been the earliest to immigrate in large numbers, had been largely assimilated but Southern and Eastern Europeans were pretty much shut out.  Italian immigration in the first part of the 20th century (1901-1914) averaged 210,000 per year, but the quota was a mere 4,000. The new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe were so restrictive that in 1924 more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, Polish, Russians, and Jews left the United States than arrived as immigrants.

The Act was explicitly designed to keep out eugenically inferior whites that would never be able to truly assimilate to American culture. Indeed, eugenics was a main selling point of those who favored the Act.  Granted, Southern and Eastern Europeans weren't seen as bad as squint-eyed Asiatics or animalistic Africans, but they weren't really the sort who should be encouraged to come to America.

[Take your vitamins and say your prayers, Brother!]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Its not only that quote, you have said in this thread that America should have remained a 90% White Nation.


Also you have said Immigrants dont assimilate anymore and that is BS. Every Immigrant I know , my family who have immigrated here , and I have all assimilated so you are wrong

My issue with the racial makeup of immigrants is the idea that a "browner" America is unquestionably good and should be sought, while a "whiter" America is the product of evil racists.  Why is one outcome good and the other outcome bad?  The idea that this is pushed simply to boost the percentage of Democrats in future electorates is not something that was spun out of whole cloth.

I don't care about the race of immigrants.  I care about their ideological mindset, and about their willingness to forsake their homeland and declare America to be their ONLY country.  It does become problematic when a Mexican President utters, "Wherever a Mexican is, there is Mexico!" and continues their claims to much of the Western US.  This is a historical grudge that Mexico's politicians keep feeding, and which is not an outlook I would want in any immigrants to America.

[Famous Mortimer]

You can dislike a group of people and still consider them white. This is a weird invention of modern critical race theorists in the last 20 years that if a group is disliked, they're disliked because they're "not white".

[ProudModerate2]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

So in your mind the “American culture” that you expect immigrants to assimilate into is synonymous with white culture? Hmmm...

Yes. Of course. America was 90% white for most of its history up until living memory. Why wouldn't its culture be the culture of its historic majority? You're suggesting American culture is actually the culture of people who haven't yet moved here? That makes no sense. Exactly what type of culture are you expecting them to assimilate to if not the culture of the white majority? If you think that any immigrant culture just automatically becomes "American culture" by virtue of a person being on American soil, why is assimilation even necessary?

I guess if you don't count slaves or natives as people...

I was including Blacks and Natives. If I didn't include Blacks and Natives, the number would be 100%.

When much of the South West (about 20% of our continuous country) was acquired by the US (after the Mexican-American War) most of the people that lived in this area (California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, etc.) were not "white."
Most were of Mexican ancestry (some full Spanish) and Native Americans.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Its not only that quote, you have said in this thread that America should have remained a 90% White Nation.


Also you have said Immigrants dont assimilate anymore and that is BS. Every Immigrant I know , my family who have immigrated here , and I have all assimilated so you are wrong

My issue with the racial makeup of immigrants is the idea that a "browner" America is unquestionably good and should be sought, while a "whiter" America is the product of evil racists.  Why is one outcome good and the other outcome bad?  The idea that this is pushed simply to boost the percentage of Democrats in future electorates is not something that was spun out of whole cloth.

I don't care about the race of immigrants.  I care about their ideological mindset, and about their willingness to forsake their homeland and declare America to be their ONLY country.  It does become problematic when a Mexican President utters, "Wherever a Mexican is, there is Mexico!" and continues their claims to much of the Western US.  This is a historical grudge that Mexico's politicians keep feeding, and which is not an outlook I would want in any immigrants to America.

My belief is race should not be a factor in the immigration process at all. My issue is Mortmier and Ingram are saying that they believe it would be unquestionably good if the Racial Demographics in this nation stayed as it was in 1965.

[Badger]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Its not only that quote, you have said in this thread that America should have remained a 90% White Nation.


Also you have said Immigrants dont assimilate anymore and that is BS. Every Immigrant I know , my family who have immigrated here , and I have all assimilated so you are wrong

My issue with the racial makeup of immigrants is the idea that a "browner" America is unquestionably good and should be sought, while a "whiter" America is the product of evil racists.  Why is one outcome good and the other outcome bad?  The idea that this is pushed simply to boost the percentage of Democrats in future electorates is not something that was spun out of whole cloth.

I don't care about the race of immigrants.  I care about their ideological mindset, and about their willingness to forsake their homeland and declare America to be their ONLY country.  It does become problematic when a Mexican President utters, "Wherever a Mexican is, there is Mexico!" and continues their claims to much of the Western US.  This is a historical grudge that Mexico's politicians keep feeding, and which is not an outlook I would want in any immigrants to America.

Fuzzy, I'm not even going to attempt to dissuade you from your beliefs here at this moment. Doing so would only ignite my anger at your Raw unadulterated wholly embraced ignorance. Besides, others have done so here quite well pointing out that your anti-muslim Muslim anti Brown bigotry is exactly zero difference from wasp bigotry against Italian and East European immigrants century ago. The fact that you have family members who went through the Ellis Island Experience doesn't for one second make you knowledgeable on the subject, it just makes you all the bigger a hypocrite.

I have read some of the websites you have linked to proport Lee support your claims about Muslims, and they are raw frothing bigotry that is every bit as know nothing as Laura Ingraham and David Duke. No, seriously. They really are that bad. And your fanaticism in your religion, not Christianity per se, but your own select brand of it, has absolute two plus two equals five nonsense drilled into your skull about Muslims, Sharia law, and their impact on the world, limited as it is. You believe in TwoPlusTwo equals 5 outright stupidity as much as you believe in Jesus Christ when it comes to Islam. Your ignorance is not merely in need of a teachable moment. It is cut and partial from whom you are. I would love for you to join other Christians who actually don't learn b******* from websites that basically say why Muslims are evil people. I've seen your websites. You do. Until that day, you can dance around a circle wearing a voodoo mask and crowing about how biblical injunction to be kind to The Foreigner and the Immigrant don't matter because the 2% of the population that lived in cities during Biblical times had walls to limit immigration, so there. That is literally about as close to Christianity, Voodoo mask and ceremonial dance and all, that you're going to get until you seriously make an effort to educate yourself rather than just drawing deeper from the well of self-sustaining ignorance.

I truly wish that moment upon you, my brother in Christ. You are a better man than 90% of the people in this forum give credit for, but you're views on such matters are, well, to overuse a term, deplorable.

 But trust me, there's a reason I exhort you to open your mind, but merely have famous Mortimer on ignore.

[RFKFan68]

Germans, Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were always considered white. We had a whites only immigration policy. They would not have been allowed to come here if they weren't white. You are lying. You have been corrected. You continue to lie.

You put race over merit


Thanks for just admitting that

I never said anything like that. The text you quoted doesn't say anything to that effect.

Those ethnic groups weren't always considered "white."  Why do you think they faced so much discrimination?!

They faced a degree of religious discrimination.  They were always considered "white", however.

This is a blatant lie.

[Famous Mortimer]

There was a religious tinge to the discrimination the Irish faced but they faced it mainly because they were foreigners who generally behaved worse than native borns and drove down wages.

They were considered white though. This is not disputable.

Again, it would have literally been illegal for them to come here if they were not considered white.