Laura Ingraham: America as we know it doesn't exist anymore due to demographics

[136or142]

Do these things really have to be posted?  Laura Ingraham is a troll who is just trying to get attention for some reason.  Just because some media savvy hack says something intentionally controversial, there is no need for anybody to give her any attention or treat her comment as if it's serious.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I am legitimately starting to think that Republicans (powerbrokers and voters alike) know they're the bad guys and honestly like to revel in it.

[SteveRogers]

Why are some of y'all so scared of America becoming less white? Or a majority-minority nation? You do realize minorities won't be inherently trying to kill you or force you to become second-class citizens like you force them into menial jobs and covertly deny them interviews if they have a hispanic name.

American culture won't "die out" or go extinct if there are less white people, and if you think American culture is tied to being white, you're racist. Asians, blacks, and Hispanics all celebrate fourth of july, speak English, and are religious, except sometimes they're not the same religion as white christians and sometimes they celebrate different holidays and speak different languages, and if you think that takes away from "your" culture and threatens the broader american culture and must be stopped, yeah, you're a racist and no I'm not arguing about it.

We no longer attempt to assimilate immigrants into American culture as we once did.  Such assimilation is what enabled a very diverse wave of immigrants (the Ellis Island immigrants) to become fully Americans, renouncing their home country when adopting this one.  We do this in the name of "diversity" and "tolerance" at the expense of national unity, and national unity ought never be compromised for the sake of diversity and tolerance when it comes to immigration policy.

In addition, we now have waves of Muslim immigrants (of all races) that we did not have previously.  There is a legitimate question as to whether or not Islam is compatible with belief in enumerated individual liberties as set forth in the Bill of Rights and a form of government that is a secular republic with democratic features.  It can be argued that to be a Muslim and agree with those concepts is to honor Islam in the breach and not in the observance.  I certainly believe that Sharia Law is at odds with our system of Constitutional government, and this is an issue that was not a factor in the Ellis Island wave of immigrants.  I am not advocating a "Muslim Ban", but I am advocating that prospective immigrants be screened to see if they are amenable to OUR form of government.  I do not believe that a person who aspires to see a Caliphate established is not a fit candidate for entry into America for purposes of a path to citizenship, or even residence.

Lol. You can feign respect for the “Ellis Island immigrants” as opposed to “today’s immigrants” all you want. But it’s clear that if you were posting this in 1890 you’d just swap out “Muslims” for “Irish Catholics.” There’s absolutely nothing new about using the idea of “preserving our culture” as a pretext for racism and xenophobia.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

Why are some of y'all so scared of America becoming less white? Or a majority-minority nation? You do realize minorities won't be inherently trying to kill you or force you to become second-class citizens like you force them into menial jobs and covertly deny them interviews if they have a hispanic name.

They're scared because what you describe is what they, or their ancestors (cultural if not genetic), did. And it's what they would keep doing if they could.

American culture won't "die out" or go extinct if there are less white people, and if you think American culture is tied to being white, you're racist. Asians, blacks, and Hispanics all celebrate fourth of july, speak English, and are religious, except sometimes they're not the same religion as white christians and sometimes they celebrate different holidays and speak different languages, and if you think that takes away from "your" culture and threatens the broader american culture and must be stopped, yeah, you're a racist and no I'm not arguing about it.

Part of American culture is fundamentally racist. The Puritans who burned native American women and children alive so they would be free to build their "kingdom of God" without opposition (or temptation) from what was left of the native culture. The Virginia drug lords who deliberately cultivated racism to keep themselves on the top and their slave labor on the very bottom.

These people (victims and victors alike) ought not be forgotten. But it is long past time for us to leave the racism on history's trash heap. It is my sincere hope that Trump and the modern GOP represent the dying gasp of their legacy.

[Mopsus]

Part of American culture is fundamentally racist. The Puritans who burned native American women and children alive so they would be free to build their "kingdom of God" without opposition (or temptation) from what was left of the native culture. The Virginia drug lords who deliberately cultivated racism to keep themselves on the top and their slave labor on the very bottom.

These people (victims and victors alike) ought not be forgotten. But it is long past time for us to leave the racism on history's trash heap. It is my sincere hope that Trump and the modern GOP represent the dying gasp of their legacy.

The danger is that the Coalition of the Ascendent will be too immature for its newfound power, preferring to rule like freed slaves during Saturnalia, leading to the resurrection of Moloch.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

Why are some of y'all so scared of America becoming less white? Or a majority-minority nation? You do realize minorities won't be inherently trying to kill you or force you to become second-class citizens like you force them into menial jobs and covertly deny them interviews if they have a hispanic name.

American culture won't "die out" or go extinct if there are less white people, and if you think American culture is tied to being white, you're racist. Asians, blacks, and Hispanics all celebrate fourth of july, speak English, and are religious, except sometimes they're not the same religion as white christians and sometimes they celebrate different holidays and speak different languages, and if you think that takes away from "your" culture and threatens the broader american culture and must be stopped, yeah, you're a racist and no I'm not arguing about it.

We no longer attempt to assimilate immigrants into American culture as we once did.  Such assimilation is what enabled a very diverse wave of immigrants (the Ellis Island immigrants) to become fully Americans, renouncing their home country when adopting this one.  We do this in the name of "diversity" and "tolerance" at the expense of national unity, and national unity ought never be compromised for the sake of diversity and tolerance when it comes to immigration policy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Norway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick%27s_Day
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2016/05/04/how-italian-cuisine-became-as-american-as-apple-pie/

And on and on and on.

In addition, we now have waves of Muslim immigrants (of all races) that we did not have previously.  There is a legitimate question as to whether or not Islam is compatible with belief in enumerated individual liberties as set forth in the Bill of Rights and a form of government that is a secular republic with democratic features.  It can be argued that to be a Muslim and agree with those concepts is to honor Islam in the breach and not in the observance.  I certainly believe that Sharia Law is at odds with our system of Constitutional government, and this is an issue that was not a factor in the Ellis Island wave of immigrants.  I am not advocating a "Muslim Ban", but I am advocating that prospective immigrants be screened to see if they are amenable to OUR form of government.  I do not believe that a person who aspires to see a Caliphate established is not a fit candidate for entry into America for purposes of a path to citizenship, or even residence.

What, you're worried that unlike Evangelical Christians, Muslims won't support a kakistocratic fascist cult pretending to be a government?


Complete deserved snark aside, you're peddling lies here. You are taking a ripple on a still pond and pretending it's a tidal wave as an excuse for obvious bigotry and the blatant racism your party embraces and extolls. If you're worried about a theocracy in the US, how about starting by ejecting the GOP from government, instead of subjecting others to your grossly overgeneralized fearmongering about a small fraction of both immigration and the population at large. If you have any statistical evidence (and no, that does not mean FOX News or worse right-wing nutbar sources) share it or admit you're wrong. (Please forgive my little joke - I understand that you're Republican.)

 Here's the latest I could find on Muslim immigration from Pew:

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You're fear-mongering about one percent of the population, a group that might, in a quarter-century, grow to two percent of the population.

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Oh, and there's this fun bit from Cato, of all places: U.S. Muslims Become More Socially Liberal As Muslim Immigration Rises

And, btw, I want to thank you, for the demonstration of how Republican claims to support "religious freedom" are a bald-faced lie -  it's always nice to see a Republican being honest about something

[BlueSwan]

Do these things really have to be posted?  Laura Ingraham is a troll who is just trying to get attention for some reason.  Just because some media savvy hack says something intentionally controversial, there is no need for anybody to give her any attention or treat her comment as if it's serious.

She is given attention because she exactly is NOT a fringe case. What she said is probably the belief of 90% of Trump supporters. This is serious stuff. Racial resentment is the main driver of Trumpism and it is pretty damn scary.

[The Night Owlditor]

I do hope that SNL was watching this and that Kate McKinnon will make another appearance as this vile deplorable Deplorable.

[Sir Mohamed]

Too sad, Ms. Ingraham, that your racist deplorables are/will be in the minority and these evil brown people and angry women who want to impose communism, abolish Christianity and make Kenyan Muslim president are destroying everything you like.

[Yank2133]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

[ProudModerate2]

I wonder if we will have more open bigotry campaigning from GOP candidates this November (like we did in 2016) ...

[Famous Mortimer]

Why are some of y'all so scared of America becoming less white? Or a majority-minority nation? You do realize minorities won't be inherently trying to kill you or force you to become second-class citizens like you force them into menial jobs and covertly deny them interviews if they have a hispanic name.

American culture won't "die out" or go extinct if there are less white people, and if you think American culture is tied to being white, you're racist. Asians, blacks, and Hispanics all celebrate fourth of july, speak English, and are religious, except sometimes they're not the same religion as white christians and sometimes they celebrate different holidays and speak different languages, and if you think that takes away from "your" culture and threatens the broader american culture and must be stopped, yeah, you're a racist and no I'm not arguing about it.

We no longer attempt to assimilate immigrants into American culture as we once did.  Such assimilation is what enabled a very diverse wave of immigrants (the Ellis Island immigrants) to become fully Americans, renouncing their home country when adopting this one.  We do this in the name of "diversity" and "tolerance" at the expense of national unity, and national unity ought never be compromised for the sake of diversity and tolerance when it comes to immigration policy.

In addition, we now have waves of Muslim immigrants (of all races) that we did not have previously.  There is a legitimate question as to whether or not Islam is compatible with belief in enumerated individual liberties as set forth in the Bill of Rights and a form of government that is a secular republic with democratic features.  It can be argued that to be a Muslim and agree with those concepts is to honor Islam in the breach and not in the observance.  I certainly believe that Sharia Law is at odds with our system of Constitutional government, and this is an issue that was not a factor in the Ellis Island wave of immigrants.  I am not advocating a "Muslim Ban", but I am advocating that prospective immigrants be screened to see if they are amenable to OUR form of government.  I do not believe that a person who aspires to see a Caliphate established is not a fit candidate for entry into America for purposes of a path to citizenship, or even residence.

Lol. You can feign respect for the “Ellis Island immigrants” as opposed to “today’s immigrants” all you want. But it’s clear that if you were posting this in 1890 you’d just swap out “Muslims” for “Irish Catholics.” There’s absolutely nothing new about using the idea of “preserving our culture” as a pretext for racism and xenophobia.

What people said about the Irish was absolutely true. They weren't assimilating. They caused problems with the locals, fought with the Black population. They only assimilated after we cut off immigration in 1924. If you want to say "Muslims are just like Irish", well, even if that's true, we still need a moratorium on new ones.

[Famous Mortimer]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

[136or142]

Do these things really have to be posted?  Laura Ingraham is a troll who is just trying to get attention for some reason.  Just because some media savvy hack says something intentionally controversial, there is no need for anybody to give her any attention or treat her comment as if it's serious.

She is given attention because she exactly is NOT a fringe case. What she said is probably the belief of 90% of Trump supporters. This is serious stuff. Racial resentment is the main driver of Trumpism and it is pretty damn scary.

It's a fair point, but it's not like we don't already know this and there is no need to treat her comment as one that needs to be seriously rebutted.

[KingSweden]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

Especially immigrants from India, though of course they have the advantage of coming from the Anglospjere

[here2view]

American culture won't "die out" or go extinct if there are less white people, and if you think American culture is tied to being white, you're racist. Asians, blacks, and Hispanics all celebrate fourth of july, speak English, and are religious, except sometimes they're not the same religion as white christians and sometimes they celebrate different holidays and speak different languages, and if you think that takes away from "your" culture and threatens the broader american culture and must be stopped, yeah, you're a racist and no I'm not arguing about it.

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

I wonder if we will have more open bigotry campaigning from GOP candidates this November (like we did in 2016) ...

Does this count?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/400900-gop-senate-candidate-praised-virginias-decision-to-secede-in

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I fear the failure of Reconstruction is going to doom our nation in the end.

[Sir Mohamed]

I wonder if we will have more open bigotry campaigning from GOP candidates this November (like we did in 2016) ...

Does this count?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/400900-gop-senate-candidate-praised-virginias-decision-to-secede-in

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I fear the failure of Reconstruction is going to doom our nation in the end.

The dude is at 26% in the most recent poll, trailing Kaine by almost the same margin.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What people said about the Irish was absolutely true. They weren't assimilating. They caused problems with the locals, fought with the Black population. They only assimilated after we cut off immigration in 1924. If you want to say "Muslims are just like Irish", well, even if that's true, we still need a moratorium on new ones.

This has to be your most blatant falsehood in this thread. Assimilation of Irish-Americans proceeded quite normally in the late 19th century. Moreover, the Irish were among the ethnic groups not draconically affected by the quota system. Indeed, there were some years in which the quota for Ireland went unfilled.

[PragmaticPopulist]

What came to mind when I first heard this was the series of racially-tinged politics that California experienced in the 1990s. In many ways, what was happening in California then is what is happening now nationwide.

There was great anxiety among California's white population about not being in the majority, even in places where there wasn't much interaction between whites and nonwhites. Certain Republicans decided to harness that anxiety through things like Proposition 187, or the ballot initiative to ban affirmative action. It lead to short-term victories for Republicans, but came back to bite in the late 90s and early 2000s, when the states growing minority population was mobilized against policies that made them feel like they weren't welcome, driving them out to vote.

[OSR stands with Israel]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

Most Immigrants I know have assimilated



so please just Stop

[DINGO Joe]

Bigots gonna bigot.  Grifters gonna grift.

[Yank2133]

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Not really.

Most immigrants assimilate just fine and by the second generation, they are quintessentially "western".

This was true in the past when immigrants were coming to a 90% white country. Why do you assume immigrants would assimilate at the same rate when they're coming to a 60% white 30% Hispanic country with no dominant culture? and what culture would they even assimilate to?

Because they already do?

It obvious that you have never met immigrants or children of immigrants. Most kids of immigrants regardless or country of origin assimilate just fine.

[ProudModerate2]

Here is a video piece where Chris Cuomo gives his thoughts and opinion on the matter:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/10/chris-cuomo-immigration-trump-family-cpt-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/chris-cuomo/

[Sumner 1868]

What came to mind when I first heard this was the series of racially-tinged politics that California experienced in the 1990s. In many ways, what was happening in California then is what is happening now nationwide.

There was great anxiety among California's white population about not being in the majority, even in places where there wasn't much interaction between whites and nonwhites. Certain Republicans decided to harness that anxiety through things like Proposition 187, or the ballot initiative to ban affirmative action. It lead to short-term victories for Republicans, but came back to bite in the late 90s and early 2000s, when the states growing minority population was mobilized against policies that made them feel like they weren't welcome, driving them out to vote.

Actually no. What flipped California was that labor unions in LA County started targeting Hispanics with great success almost exactly as Prop 187 became an issue. This is why the success of similar measures in heavily Hispanic right-to-work states like FL/AZ/TX did not effects patterns as much as CA. The lazy media just assumed it was Prop 187.

http://www.beyondchron.org/latino-voting-driven-labor-not-anti-immigrant-attacks/