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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2018, 12:02:48 PM »

Can't say I'm surprised that Republicans have exploited this for a power grab, but it's still despicable.

When will these judges actually be up for election?
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2018, 12:05:16 PM »

Judges aren't above the law. Good that the legislature has the ability to do something.
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2018, 06:42:13 PM »

I hope the Democrats in the U.S Senate are taking notes.  Especially Justice Gorsuch has committed a number of impeachable offenses. 

Can you give an example?

There are at least two examples, this is one of them:

Earlier this week, Gorsuch gave a speech before the Fund for American Studies, a conservative educational and advocacy group.  The Justices do occasionally speak before groups with high political profiles. Most of the Justices on the conservative wing have appeared in front of the Federalist Society, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, and Stephen G. Breyer have addressed the American Constitution Society, the Federalists’ liberal counterpart. What made Gorsuch’s appearance especially notable was that it took place at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, which is the focus of several pending cases that may well wind up before the Supreme Court. These lawsuits allege that the Trump family’s ownership of the hotel, which is patronized by foreigners with interests before the executive branch, violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Gorsuch’s presence at the hotel could look like an endorsement of the propriety of its ownership arrangements.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-badly-is-neil-gorsuch-annoying-the-other-supreme-court-justices


I'll find the other example later if I have the time.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2018, 06:45:50 PM »
« Edited: August 15, 2018, 06:49:03 PM by Virginiá »

From what I've read, only one or two justices actually broke the law. The others are just guilty of spending a ton of money on renovations during a time where the state is seriously strapped for cash, and Republicans exploited this to clear the bench so they could install a favorable supreme court.

Regardless of what one thinks about what these justices did, the Republicans' reaction is equally as despicable and in a just society, would be illegal itself.

Can't say I'm surprised that Republicans have exploited this for a power grab, but it's still despicable.

When will these judges actually be up for election?

2020. Republicans delayed impeachment and slow-walked it specifically to go over the deadline so they could appoint whoever they wanted and have them stand for election during Trump's reelection, which in almost any situation would be considerably better for them as opposed to this cycle.
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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2018, 06:04:32 AM »

From what I've read, only one or two justices actually broke the law. The others are just guilty of spending a ton of money on renovations during a time where the state is seriously strapped for cash, and Republicans exploited this to clear the bench so they could install a favorable supreme court.

Regardless of what one thinks about what these justices did, the Republicans' reaction is equally as despicable and in a just society, would be illegal itself.

Can't say I'm surprised that Republicans have exploited this for a power grab, but it's still despicable.

When will these judges actually be up for election?

2020. Republicans delayed impeachment and slow-walked it specifically to go over the deadline so they could appoint whoever they wanted and have them stand for election during Trump's reelection, which in almost any situation would be considerably better for them as opposed to this cycle.

I mean, West Virginians have never had problems with ticket-splitting, so I'm not sure it's too big a deal. Still shameful that the GOP has just straight-up taken over the Court for two full years, though.
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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2018, 11:09:27 AM »

I hope the Democrats in the U.S Senate are taking notes.  Especially Justice Gorsuch has committed a number of impeachable offenses. 

Can you give an example?

There are at least two examples, this is one of them:

Earlier this week, Gorsuch gave a speech before the Fund for American Studies, a conservative educational and advocacy group.  The Justices do occasionally speak before groups with high political profiles. Most of the Justices on the conservative wing have appeared in front of the Federalist Society, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, and Stephen G. Breyer have addressed the American Constitution Society, the Federalists’ liberal counterpart. What made Gorsuch’s appearance especially notable was that it took place at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, which is the focus of several pending cases that may well wind up before the Supreme Court. These lawsuits allege that the Trump family’s ownership of the hotel, which is patronized by foreigners with interests before the executive branch, violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Gorsuch’s presence at the hotel could look like an endorsement of the propriety of its ownership arrangements.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-badly-is-neil-gorsuch-annoying-the-other-supreme-court-justices


I'll find the other example later if I have the time.

Honestly, that seems like quite a stretch as an impeachable offense. Any relevant cases haven't reached him yet, so you don't know that he won't recuse himself. And I don't think he would need to recuse himself anyway just for making a speech at the hotel.
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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2018, 10:53:25 PM »

Does West Virginia actually have partisan affiliation on the ballot for Supreme Court elections?
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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2018, 10:57:02 PM »

But but muh Dems better not ever pack the Supreme Court

Lol, good catch. I wonder how the moderate heroes will reconcile this one.

As far as Republicans are concerned...only Democrats have to defend their positions and everyone else gets a pass . When the GOPee was considering packing the Court under a Hillary presidency...the clowntard media never brought it up...but now that the left dares raise the point of packing the court, its brought up as some fringe idea.
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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2018, 01:15:11 AM »
« Edited: August 17, 2018, 01:19:15 AM by 136or142 »

I hope the Democrats in the U.S Senate are taking notes.  Especially Justice Gorsuch has committed a number of impeachable offenses.  

Can you give an example?

There are at least two examples, this is one of them:

Earlier this week, Gorsuch gave a speech before the Fund for American Studies, a conservative educational and advocacy group.  The Justices do occasionally speak before groups with high political profiles. Most of the Justices on the conservative wing have appeared in front of the Federalist Society, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, and Stephen G. Breyer have addressed the American Constitution Society, the Federalists’ liberal counterpart. What made Gorsuch’s appearance especially notable was that it took place at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, which is the focus of several pending cases that may well wind up before the Supreme Court. These lawsuits allege that the Trump family’s ownership of the hotel, which is patronized by foreigners with interests before the executive branch, violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Gorsuch’s presence at the hotel could look like an endorsement of the propriety of its ownership arrangements.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-badly-is-neil-gorsuch-annoying-the-other-supreme-court-justices


I'll find the other example later if I have the time.

Honestly, that seems like quite a stretch as an impeachable offense. Any relevant cases haven't reached him yet, so you don't know that he won't recuse himself. And I don't think he would need to recuse himself anyway just for making a speech at the hotel.

1.The context of the timing is lost that Gorsuch made this speech at the Trump hotel shortly after getting nominated by Trump.  At the time he did it, it seemed like a payoff.

2.The other point anyway is the the impeachment of the West Virginia Supreme Court justices was on mostly trumped up charges, so, if they can be impeached for what they did, what Gorsuch did could certainly be trumped up in order to make it seem like the worst thing anybody ever did.

I'll find the second impeachable offense of Gorsuch later.
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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2018, 02:49:11 AM »

This is the second impeachable offense of Gorsuch:

Partisan campaigning for Mitch McConnell after being nominated and confirmed on the Supreme Court. To be sure, McConnell isn't up for reelection this cycle, but this is still highly unusual behavior for a Supreme Court Justice.

https://abovethelaw.com/2017/09/justice-gorsuch-on-the-campaign-trail/

The two taken together, the Trump hotel speech and this, certainly suggest Gorsuch is much more of a partisan Republican than a neutral arbiter of the law. Should the Democrats retake the Senate after 2020, given the precedent the Republicans just set in West Virginia, it shouldn't be impossible to gin up Democratic outrage over Gorsuch.
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« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2018, 07:45:29 AM »

I don't see how being openly partisan is an impeachable offense. Yes Congress can define it however they want, but both of your examples seem like huge stretches to me.

I also don't think that "trumping up" charges, as you put it, is justified, just because there's an example of it happening on a lower court.
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