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« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2018, 08:54:59 PM »
« edited: August 08, 2018, 08:59:02 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

This is nothing new.

I remember when I was a teenager (a nerdy teenager at some levels, mind you) and I read about a Poll (I'm the kid who got the Almanac of American Politics for his 16th birthday!) where people were asked about the individual Bill of Rights.  The polltaker ouwl read a question "What do you think about the idea of police having to get a warrant to search a suspect's residence?" or "What do you think about a person's right to publicly demonstrate against our involvement in Vietnam?".  Not recognizing that these questions were about the individual freedoms in the Bill of Rights, a healthy segment responded in the negative, suggesting that they weren't for people having these sort of freedoms.

Trump is really not speaking a foreign language to people.  Indeed, Mike Pence sounds like the foreigner when he points to an angry anti-Trump crowd and (rightly, IMO) says "This is what Freedom looks like and sounds like!")  The average citizen doesn't want to hear the sounds of Freedom; they want the morons they disagree with to shut up.

This isn't just Trumpistas and the right.  Listen to the sounds of leftist minority groups expressing their viewpoint that whites ought to just shut up when it comes to issues that affect blacks, feminists who wish to silence men over "women's issues", Zionists who are confronted with someone suggesting that Palestinians might have a valid point, or mainstream Democrats who think it awful that Khizir Khan received criticism for his DNC speech.  The desire for people who disagree with you to shut up isn't confined to one group or ideology; it all depends on who is more threatened by the noise.

Most people value "their" freedom.  They don't value mine as much.
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2018, 01:36:00 AM »

You are really betraying your ignorance of American law.


And you are betraying your inability to read.
So I guess we are even.
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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2018, 08:33:38 AM »

Half the Democrats Believe in the Government banning "Hate Speech" :  https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech

So half of Democrats basically support the Government violating people freedom of speech rights.

At the end of the day you can find any poll to make either parties supporters look bad




Hate speech (or writing) fosters criminal actions up to and including genocide. But even the 'smaller' acts of mindless cruelty that 'hate expressions' (which include writing, graphic art, and film) promote are themselves objectionable and often criminal. At the least it debases life.

It is especially dangerous when it has the sponsorship of a State, as in Nazi Germany, when it becomes the sole means of 'discovery' of what people are like. That is, people who are not to be seen  with inherent value for their humanity. But when a mass movement peddles hatred, all sorts of horror are possible. 

Hate speech is not a transitory defamation; it is often the result of concerted effort to degrade pariahs so that they can be abused or even exterminated. Whether in Nazi Germany or during the Rwanda genocide, officials inundated perpetrators with material that made killing helpless people seem not so bad as it would seem after the act. 

Not all speech has the protection of the First Amendment. Criminal speech -- that is, speech intended to perpetrate such a crime as robbery -- is not defensible in a court of law. Yes, it is permissible to depict criminal conduct in a drama, but in real life, "Your money or your life!" is  evidence of commission of a crime (robbery) if it is uttered in the context of a robbery. Urging people to harm or kill others for what those people are is perpetration of the crime itself if the crime happens.
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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2018, 02:41:09 PM »

Maybe Clinton was right with the basket thing, still, she shouldn't have said it though.
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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2018, 03:03:32 PM »

I wanna see this poll done of Democrats : Should Fox News be banned


There probably will be similar numbers cause nearly half of both parties bases are idiots
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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2018, 03:16:49 PM »

Most Democrats don't care about Fox News anymore, its relevance has greatly faded. It being the main enemy of liberals is soooooo 2004.
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« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2018, 05:31:16 PM »

I wanna see this poll done of Democrats : Should Fox News be banned


There probably will be similar numbers cause nearly half of both parties bases are idiots

I really doubt it, maybe more like 20%.

If it were actually a legitimate poll the overwhelming majority of the people being polled would be adults, not angry teenagers on tumblr.

Most of those types identify as independents or "socialists" and not as Democrats anyway.
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