Trump administration plans to target legal immigrants

[Famous Mortimer]

What happened to: "We're only against illegal immigration"?

It was a lie and it was stupid. We need to stop all new immigration.

We don't need more people and we certainly don't need more people who take more than they contribute.

So we should give West Virginia its independence? The Federal government spends almost $3 there for every $1 it gets in taxes.

People from West Virginia are from here. Immigrants are not from here.

Take a good look at my username and what it means about my political beliefs.  True  Fed-er-al-ist.  West Virginians aren't citizens of either South Carolina or New York.  If they want money and have no prospect of earning it where they currently are, then rather than whining about needing more Federal handouts they can damn well come here (or somewhere else) where jobs are reasonably available at a wide variety of economic levels.  Frankly, I have more in common with the vast majority of foreign immigrants who have the gumption to move to where they can earn a better living rather than expecting Uncle Sam to send them more money just because they're Americans.  Heck, given that they already speak a common language the West Virginians who decide to become South Carolinians have a leg up on the Guatemalans who want to become South Carolinians. I welcome hard-working honest people of both West Virginia and Guatemala to become citizens of my wonderful state.  The riff-raff can head to Hudson. 

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Except that as a general rule, immigrants aren't a drain but a benefit to both the overall economy as well as the public fisc. It's the states that can't attract migrants, either internal migrants from other states or foreign immigrants that have the weakest economies. Immigrants generally want paychecks, not government checks.

Ridiculous comment. We're talking about excluding potential new citizens who have shown themselves to be a drain on the economy and your answer is: other immigrants aren't a drain on the economy, so we should let in all immigrants even if they are. Why are all immigrants rewarded for the actions of some immigrants?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What happened to: "We're only against illegal immigration"?

It was a lie and it was stupid. We need to stop all new immigration.

We don't need more people and we certainly don't need more people who take more than they contribute.

So we should give West Virginia its independence? The Federal government spends almost $3 there for every $1 it gets in taxes.

People from West Virginia are from here. Immigrants are not from here.

Take a good look at my username and what it means about my political beliefs.  True  Fed-er-al-ist.  West Virginians aren't citizens of either South Carolina or New York.  If they want money and have no prospect of earning it where they currently are, then rather than whining about needing more Federal handouts they can damn well come here (or somewhere else) where jobs are reasonably available at a wide variety of economic levels.  Frankly, I have more in common with the vast majority of foreign immigrants who have the gumption to move to where they can earn a better living rather than expecting Uncle Sam to send them more money just because they're Americans.  Heck, given that they already speak a common language the West Virginians who decide to become South Carolinians have a leg up on the Guatemalans who want to become South Carolinians. I welcome hard-working honest people of both West Virginia and Guatemala to become citizens of my wonderful state.  The riff-raff can head to Hudson.  

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Except that as a general rule, immigrants aren't a drain but a benefit to both the overall economy as well as the public fisc. It's the states that can't attract migrants, either internal migrants from other states or foreign immigrants that have the weakest economies. Immigrants generally want paychecks, not government checks.

Ridiculous comment. We're talking about excluding potential new citizens who have shown themselves to be a drain on the economy and your answer is: other immigrants aren't a drain on the economy, so we should let in all immigrants even if they are. Why are all immigrants rewarded for the actions of some immigrants?

Because people fall unexpectedly into hard times through no fault of their own.  Because unlike some so-called conservatives, I doubt the ability of government to pick individual winners and losers.  But most importantly, the public programs you want to use to exclude people are already not available to green card holders, so as far as I can see this proposal is more of Trump's desire to break up immigrant families. This time because their citizen children who were born here made use of the exact same programs that any other citizen could benefit from.

From the article linked in the OP:

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If Charles is the sort of person you want jackbooted out of this country because he saw to it that his citizen daughter received the same services as any other citizen, you're not merely cruel, you're a short-sighted bigot who wants America to put our light under a basket rather than be a shining city on a hill.

[Joe Biden 2024]

What happened to: "We're only against illegal immigration"?

It was a lie and it was stupid. We need to stop all new immigration.

We don't need more people and we certainly don't need more people who take more than they contribute.

So we should give West Virginia its independence? The Federal government spends almost $3 there for every $1 it gets in taxes.

People from West Virginia are from here. Immigrants are not from here.

Take a good look at my username and what it means about my political beliefs.  True  Fed-er-al-ist.  West Virginians aren't citizens of either South Carolina or New York.  If they want money and have no prospect of earning it where they currently are, then rather than whining about needing more Federal handouts they can damn well come here (or somewhere else) where jobs are reasonably available at a wide variety of economic levels.  Frankly, I have more in common with the vast majority of foreign immigrants who have the gumption to move to where they can earn a better living rather than expecting Uncle Sam to send them more money just because they're Americans.  Heck, given that they already speak a common language the West Virginians who decide to become South Carolinians have a leg up on the Guatemalans who want to become South Carolinians. I welcome hard-working honest people of both West Virginia and Guatemala to become citizens of my wonderful state.  The riff-raff can head to Hudson. 

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Except that as a general rule, immigrants aren't a drain but a benefit to both the overall economy as well as the public fisc. It's the states that can't attract migrants, either internal migrants from other states or foreign immigrants that have the weakest economies. Immigrants generally want paychecks, not government checks.

Ridiculous comment. We're talking about excluding potential new citizens who have shown themselves to be a drain on the economy and your answer is: other immigrants aren't a drain on the economy, so we should let in all immigrants even if they are. Why are all immigrants rewarded for the actions of some immigrants?

Except that studies like this one:

http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

and this one:

https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/economic-impact-of-immigration-in-the-us

show that immigrants have a positive effect on the economy.

[Famous Mortimer]

What happened to: "We're only against illegal immigration"?

It was a lie and it was stupid. We need to stop all new immigration.

We don't need more people and we certainly don't need more people who take more than they contribute.

So we should give West Virginia its independence? The Federal government spends almost $3 there for every $1 it gets in taxes.

People from West Virginia are from here. Immigrants are not from here.

Take a good look at my username and what it means about my political beliefs.  True  Fed-er-al-ist.  West Virginians aren't citizens of either South Carolina or New York.  If they want money and have no prospect of earning it where they currently are, then rather than whining about needing more Federal handouts they can damn well come here (or somewhere else) where jobs are reasonably available at a wide variety of economic levels.  Frankly, I have more in common with the vast majority of foreign immigrants who have the gumption to move to where they can earn a better living rather than expecting Uncle Sam to send them more money just because they're Americans.  Heck, given that they already speak a common language the West Virginians who decide to become South Carolinians have a leg up on the Guatemalans who want to become South Carolinians. I welcome hard-working honest people of both West Virginia and Guatemala to become citizens of my wonderful state.  The riff-raff can head to Hudson. 

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Except that as a general rule, immigrants aren't a drain but a benefit to both the overall economy as well as the public fisc. It's the states that can't attract migrants, either internal migrants from other states or foreign immigrants that have the weakest economies. Immigrants generally want paychecks, not government checks.

Ridiculous comment. We're talking about excluding potential new citizens who have shown themselves to be a drain on the economy and your answer is: other immigrants aren't a drain on the economy, so we should let in all immigrants even if they are. Why are all immigrants rewarded for the actions of some immigrants?

Except that studies like this one:

http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

and this one:

https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/economic-impact-of-immigration-in-the-us

show that immigrants have a positive effect on the economy.

We're talking specifically about immigrants that demonstrably do not benefit the economy, not immigrants as a whole.

This is like if I said a murderer who Black should go to jail and you responded by saying "no because most Black people aren't murderers".

[Joe Biden 2024]

What happened to: "We're only against illegal immigration"?

It was a lie and it was stupid. We need to stop all new immigration.

We don't need more people and we certainly don't need more people who take more than they contribute.

So we should give West Virginia its independence? The Federal government spends almost $3 there for every $1 it gets in taxes.

People from West Virginia are from here. Immigrants are not from here.

Take a good look at my username and what it means about my political beliefs.  True  Fed-er-al-ist.  West Virginians aren't citizens of either South Carolina or New York.  If they want money and have no prospect of earning it where they currently are, then rather than whining about needing more Federal handouts they can damn well come here (or somewhere else) where jobs are reasonably available at a wide variety of economic levels.  Frankly, I have more in common with the vast majority of foreign immigrants who have the gumption to move to where they can earn a better living rather than expecting Uncle Sam to send them more money just because they're Americans.  Heck, given that they already speak a common language the West Virginians who decide to become South Carolinians have a leg up on the Guatemalans who want to become South Carolinians. I welcome hard-working honest people of both West Virginia and Guatemala to become citizens of my wonderful state.  The riff-raff can head to Hudson.  

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Except that as a general rule, immigrants aren't a drain but a benefit to both the overall economy as well as the public fisc. It's the states that can't attract migrants, either internal migrants from other states or foreign immigrants that have the weakest economies. Immigrants generally want paychecks, not government checks.

Ridiculous comment. We're talking about excluding potential new citizens who have shown themselves to be a drain on the economy and your answer is: other immigrants aren't a drain on the economy, so we should let in all immigrants even if they are. Why are all immigrants rewarded for the actions of some immigrants?

Except that studies like this one:

http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

and this one:

https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/economic-impact-of-immigration-in-the-us

show that immigrants have a positive effect on the economy.

We're talking specifically about immigrants that demonstrably do not benefit the economy, not immigrants as a whole.

This is like if I said a murderer who Black should go to jail and you responded by saying "no because most Black people aren't murderers".

You're the one who said "We need to stop all new immigration". That means you're talking about immigrants as a whole, and you're choosing to blame all for the (possible) actions of a few, regardless of the benefits that the entire group brings.

That's like if a black man commits murder and you say all black people should be in prison because of it.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

We're talking specifically about immigrants that demonstrably do not benefit the economy, not immigrants as a whole.

If we want to eject people who demonstrably do not benefit the economy, we need to get rid of Trump.

[libertpaulian]

People who are outraged that Trump is doing this, remember one thing: A President Mitt Romney would have done the same thing, or at least something similar.

Remember his 2012 campaign promise that he was going to make life hell for immigrants so that they'd self-deport?

[pbrower2a]

People who are outraged that Trump is doing this, remember one thing: A President Mitt Romney would have done the same thing, or at least something similar.

Not for legal immigrants, and not for naturalized citizens unless they committed crimes. That's how things were with Obama. Obama was never a soft-on-crime type.

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He would modify that for economic reasons. But we will never know.

This said, I would rather be in the second term of Mitt Romney than the Trump nightmare, or the first Romney term with the strong prospect of him being the fourth President in succession to get re-elected.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

What happened to: "We're only against illegal immigration"?

It was a lie and it was stupid. We need to stop all new immigration.

We don't need more people and we certainly don't need more people who take more than they contribute.

So we should give West Virginia its independence? The Federal government spends almost $3 there for every $1 it gets in taxes.

People from West Virginia are from here. Immigrants are not from here.

Take a good look at my username and what it means about my political beliefs.  True  Fed-er-al-ist.  West Virginians aren't citizens of either South Carolina or New York.  If they want money and have no prospect of earning it where they currently are, then rather than whining about needing more Federal handouts they can damn well come here (or somewhere else) where jobs are reasonably available at a wide variety of economic levels.  Frankly, I have more in common with the vast majority of foreign immigrants who have the gumption to move to where they can earn a better living rather than expecting Uncle Sam to send them more money just because they're Americans.  Heck, given that they already speak a common language the West Virginians who decide to become South Carolinians have a leg up on the Guatemalans who want to become South Carolinians. I welcome hard-working honest people of both West Virginia and Guatemala to become citizens of my wonderful state.  The riff-raff can head to Hudson. 

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Except that as a general rule, immigrants aren't a drain but a benefit to both the overall economy as well as the public fisc. It's the states that can't attract migrants, either internal migrants from other states or foreign immigrants that have the weakest economies. Immigrants generally want paychecks, not government checks.

Ridiculous comment. We're talking about excluding potential new citizens who have shown themselves to be a drain on the economy and your answer is: other immigrants aren't a drain on the economy, so we should let in all immigrants even if they are. Why are all immigrants rewarded for the actions of some immigrants?

Except that studies like this one:

http://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy

and this one:

https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/economic-impact-of-immigration-in-the-us

show that immigrants have a positive effect on the economy.

We're talking specifically about immigrants that demonstrably do not benefit the economy, not immigrants as a whole.

This is like if I said a murderer who Black should go to jail and you responded by saying "no because most Black people aren't murderers".

You know that people can use a welfare program and still pay taxes, right? You're pretending this targets those who take more than they put in, when it really targets anyone who's brown and has the gumption to want to eat.

[Gass3268]

The fact this includes using Obamacare exchanges is absurd. Hopefully the next Democratic President just does mass citizenship ceremonies.

[OSR stands with Israel]

People who are outraged that Trump is doing this, remember one thing: A President Mitt Romney would have done the same thing, or at least something similar.

Remember his 2012 campaign promise that he was going to make life hell for immigrants so that they'd self-deport?

That was for Illegal Immigrants


The media just played into the false narrative of the Obama campaign that he was talking about all immigrants.  Here is the video of that clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObVnA0nIx_s



This actually was a good plan but the media like usual played the liberal narrative

[KingSweden]

Let’s just deport Miller and be done with it

[tallguy23]

My mother just became a citizen in 2017 after having a green card for 35 years. She worked the entire time except for 2 years before she hit 65 due to an accident. She was on disability and Medicaid until she qualified for SS and Medicare.

THIS proposal would have impacted her. It's wrong and based in nativism/racism.