Was Obama a good President? Rate the Obama presidency

[Wrong about 2024 Ghost]

What is this puerile trolling?

You mean this?

Domestic Policy: F

Economy: D+ (Can we please stop acting like it's normal to have a "jobless recovery" spanning most of a decade and admit that the Obama economy sucked?)
Trade: F (Really helped move swing voters by focusing on TPP though!)
Crime: C- (The homicide rate isn't any lower than it was 15 years ago, and increased during his second term.)
Immigration: F (One of those issues that most people stopped caring about because they had a president who made them feel good about themselves. Exposed DREAMers to Trump-era deportation because of executive overreach. Did nothing to resolve legal status of most migrants living in the United States.)
Race Relations: F (For the rank stupidity of the beer summit alone. Remember when he threw his pastor under the bus over an out-of-context quote, but liberals liked it because he also implied that his grandmother was a bit racist? Telling character moment.)
Environment: F (Spare us the prattling about "benchmarks." We're facing down a global catastrophe and he did virtually nothing to prepare us for it.)
Healthcare: F--

• "If you like your plan, you can keep it!"
• "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't."
• "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
• Great to leave office with the phrase "mid-life mortality crisis" in the headlines, isn't it?

Foreign Policy: F

Cuba: A- (A rare bright spot that Trump hasn't reversed - yet, at least.)
China: F ("The pivot!")
Iran: C+ (The nuclear deal was good, but died when he left office. Increased sanctions, not so much.)
North Korea: D- (Gradual deterioration?)
Russia: B (This one is on a curve. He wasn't trying to start a war with them or falling for obvious manipulation.)
Iraq: F- (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have 5,000 troops in that country today.)
Afghanistan: F (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have over 15,000 troops in that country today.)
Syria: F- (Oh God...)
Libya: F- (Oh God...)
Yemen: F- (Oh God...)

Overall: F

Perhaps you don't understand how grading works in the United States?

Here is a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_grading_in_the_United_States

An "F" is any grade below 60%. So, if Obama would score a 55%, on 'race relations' he would get an 'F'. So someone like Hitler, who would get a zero on 'race relations', would also get an 'F'.  The extra minuses are not normally used, and would be more of a flourish indicating the poster's strong feelings on that particular issue with regards to Obama.

I hope this helps you understand how and why you made your mistake.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Perhaps you don't understand how grading works in the United States?

Here is a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_grading_in_the_United_States

An "F" is any grade below 60%. So, if Obama would score a 55%, on 'race relations' he would get an 'F'. So someone like Hitler, who would get a zero on 'race relations', would also get an 'F'.  The extra minuses are not normally used, and would be more of a flourish indicating the poster's strong feelings on that particular issue with regards to Obama.

I hope this helps you understand how and why you made your mistake.

Thanks for the patronizing.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that particular poster grades Obama much closer to zero than to 60.
Just a hunch.

[C r a b c a k e]

What is this puerile trolling?

You mean this?

Domestic Policy: F

Economy: D+ (Can we please stop acting like it's normal to have a "jobless recovery" spanning most of a decade and admit that the Obama economy sucked?)
Trade: F (Really helped move swing voters by focusing on TPP though!)
Crime: C- (The homicide rate isn't any lower than it was 15 years ago, and increased during his second term.)
Immigration: F (One of those issues that most people stopped caring about because they had a president who made them feel good about themselves. Exposed DREAMers to Trump-era deportation because of executive overreach. Did nothing to resolve legal status of most migrants living in the United States.)
Race Relations: F (For the rank stupidity of the beer summit alone. Remember when he threw his pastor under the bus over an out-of-context quote, but liberals liked it because he also implied that his grandmother was a bit racist? Telling character moment.)
Environment: F (Spare us the prattling about "benchmarks." We're facing down a global catastrophe and he did virtually nothing to prepare us for it.)
Healthcare: F--

• "If you like your plan, you can keep it!"
• "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't."
• "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
• Great to leave office with the phrase "mid-life mortality crisis" in the headlines, isn't it?

Foreign Policy: F

Cuba: A- (A rare bright spot that Trump hasn't reversed - yet, at least.)
China: F ("The pivot!")
Iran: C+ (The nuclear deal was good, but died when he left office. Increased sanctions, not so much.)
North Korea: D- (Gradual deterioration?)
Russia: B (This one is on a curve. He wasn't trying to start a war with them or falling for obvious manipulation.)
Iraq: F- (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have 5,000 troops in that country today.)
Afghanistan: F (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have over 15,000 troops in that country today.)
Syria: F- (Oh God...)
Libya: F- (Oh God...)
Yemen: F- (Oh God...)

Overall: F

Disagree with Averoes all you want, but at least have the balls to actually tackle with the arguments he is making rather than brush it aside by claiming he is a Marxist.

[America Needs R'hllor]

What is this puerile trolling?

You mean this?

Domestic Policy: F

Economy: D+ (Can we please stop acting like it's normal to have a "jobless recovery" spanning most of a decade and admit that the Obama economy sucked?)
Trade: F (Really helped move swing voters by focusing on TPP though!)
Crime: C- (The homicide rate isn't any lower than it was 15 years ago, and increased during his second term.)
Immigration: F (One of those issues that most people stopped caring about because they had a president who made them feel good about themselves. Exposed DREAMers to Trump-era deportation because of executive overreach. Did nothing to resolve legal status of most migrants living in the United States.)
Race Relations: F (For the rank stupidity of the beer summit alone. Remember when he threw his pastor under the bus over an out-of-context quote, but liberals liked it because he also implied that his grandmother was a bit racist? Telling character moment.)
Environment: F (Spare us the prattling about "benchmarks." We're facing down a global catastrophe and he did virtually nothing to prepare us for it.)
Healthcare: F--

• "If you like your plan, you can keep it!"
• "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't."
• "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
• Great to leave office with the phrase "mid-life mortality crisis" in the headlines, isn't it?

Foreign Policy: F

Cuba: A- (A rare bright spot that Trump hasn't reversed - yet, at least.)
China: F ("The pivot!")
Iran: C+ (The nuclear deal was good, but died when he left office. Increased sanctions, not so much.)
North Korea: D- (Gradual deterioration?)
Russia: B (This one is on a curve. He wasn't trying to start a war with them or falling for obvious manipulation.)
Iraq: F- (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have 5,000 troops in that country today.)
Afghanistan: F (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have over 15,000 troops in that country today.)
Syria: F- (Oh God...)
Libya: F- (Oh God...)
Yemen: F- (Oh God...)

Overall: F

Disagree with Averoes all you want, but at least have the balls to actually tackle with the arguments he is making rather than brush it aside by claiming he is a Marxist.

There isn't much to tackle, though. Most of these arguments are about how Obama didn't completely overhaul the system and ushered in a utopia. Giving him F-- on healthcare because of some statements, despite the fact that he managed to pass a substantial healthcare reform and lead to more people having coverage against all the opposition of conservatives in both parties, is absolutely ridiculous.

And I could go on and on- Obams did all he could and passed whatever regulations he could without congress to combat climate change and pollution, as we can see with Trump's EPA Administrators trying to dismantle these regulations. Giving him F there, and on race relations, shows that this isn't an attempt to give reasonable ratings- it's just pure hatred to Obama, or maybe the poster just enjoys feeling "edgy" and "anti-establishment". I don't know. It's clear, from these completely devoid of reason ratings, that debating would be useless. While obviously hyperbolic, this sums it up quite nicely:

The atlas looney far left is really exposing their bare ass in this thread.

Crazy how unrepresentative this forum is of anything remotely resembling real life

Obama was a good president, although he fell somewhat short of great. Complaining that he didn't usher in a communist utopia is moronic beyond belief.

[Intell]

How the Scaling works (basically Australia's grade system throughout high school and somewhat in uni, which I feel is better than the US). % of things Obama did well.

A: 75+%
B: 65-75%
C: 50-65%
D: 35-50%
E: 35-%

 (+ or - done to differentiate between higher end and the lower end of each grade)

Domestic Policy (D+)


Economy: D+
Trade: E
Crime: C-
Immigration: C-
Environment: D-
Race Relations: C-
Healthcare: C-

Foreign Policy: (D+)

Cuba: A+
China: C-
Iran: B+
North Korea: C-
Russia: C-
Iraq: E
Afghanistan: E
Syria: E
Libya: E
Yemen: E

[Miss J]

He was an average president, thoroughly unprepared for the Presidency when he was elected, a terrible party leader, interested primarily in "the long game" and his own political career over anything else, and on top of that, one of the most "real" and personally likable presidents we've ever had.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What is this puerile trolling?

You mean this?

Domestic Policy: F

Economy: D+ (Can we please stop acting like it's normal to have a "jobless recovery" spanning most of a decade and admit that the Obama economy sucked?)
Trade: F (Really helped move swing voters by focusing on TPP though!)
Crime: C- (The homicide rate isn't any lower than it was 15 years ago, and increased during his second term.)
Immigration: F (One of those issues that most people stopped caring about because they had a president who made them feel good about themselves. Exposed DREAMers to Trump-era deportation because of executive overreach. Did nothing to resolve legal status of most migrants living in the United States.)
Race Relations: F (For the rank stupidity of the beer summit alone. Remember when he threw his pastor under the bus over an out-of-context quote, but liberals liked it because he also implied that his grandmother was a bit racist? Telling character moment.)
Environment: F (Spare us the prattling about "benchmarks." We're facing down a global catastrophe and he did virtually nothing to prepare us for it.)
Healthcare: F--

• "If you like your plan, you can keep it!"
• "Hillary Clinton's attacking, but what's she not telling you about her health care plan? It forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can't afford it, and you pay a penalty if you don't."
• "I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
• Great to leave office with the phrase "mid-life mortality crisis" in the headlines, isn't it?

Foreign Policy: F

Cuba: A- (A rare bright spot that Trump hasn't reversed - yet, at least.)
China: F ("The pivot!")
Iran: C+ (The nuclear deal was good, but died when he left office. Increased sanctions, not so much.)
North Korea: D- (Gradual deterioration?)
Russia: B (This one is on a curve. He wasn't trying to start a war with them or falling for obvious manipulation.)
Iraq: F- (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have 5,000 troops in that country today.)
Afghanistan: F (Imagine telling yourself 10 years ago that we'd have over 15,000 troops in that country today.)
Syria: F- (Oh God...)
Libya: F- (Oh God...)
Yemen: F- (Oh God...)

Overall: F

Disagree with Averoes all you want, but at least have the balls to actually tackle with the arguments he is making rather than brush it aside by claiming he is a Marxist.

I can't recall the last time px76 attempted to actually counter an argument.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Race Relations: F (For the rank stupidity of the beer summit alone. Remember when he threw his pastor under the bus over an out-of-context quote, but liberals liked it because he also implied that his grandmother was a bit racist? Telling character moment.)

Obama generally had the record of throwing people under the bus. He pretty much abandoned many of his early endorsers, that stuck their necks out for him when it appeared Hillary was inevitable, and surrounded himself with Clintonites, which also shows bad judgement, given that for most of them he was just a "delay" of Hillary's Presidency.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Obama was the epitome of weak, ham-handed, lead from behind leadership. He's basically the absentee father of the Democratic Party. If I could rate him...I'd give him a D

This is a very important point regarding Obama's leadership, or rather lack of thereof, of the Democratic Party. First he put an important ally at the DNC helm, but we all know Tim Kaine just isn't the man, before he gave up and ceded the party to Hillary's allies. What I find very symptomatic is that he did nothing when his own party chair, DWS, attacked one of his signature foreign policies, the Iran Nuclear Deal. What other President would've tolerated this?

Make no mistake, Obama was easily one of the best presidential candidates in history. He expertly put his campaign apparatus and played all cards right, but never built his power base outside of this.   Democrats suffered a decimation on all levels below presidential and he seemed not to care much and it came back to bite him big time, when a man committed to reversing all his policies won the election. It's almost like for Obama the party was just another tool to advance himself and nothing more.

[Dukakisite1988]

Best president since LBJ or JFK, but one who still could have done more in the early stages of his presidency.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Best president since LBJ or JFK

This right here is calling "damning with faint praise."

[Orwell]

Domestic Policy: C+

Economy: C
Trade: C-
Crime: C
Immigration: B
Race Relations: C-
Environment: C+
Healthcare: C

Foreign Policy: C

Afghanistan: C+
Cuba: A+
China: C
Iran: B-
Syria: E
Libya: E
Iraq: D
North Korea: C+
Russia: C-

Overall: C


 

[Dabeav]

Obama was the epitome of weak, ham-handed, lead from behind leadership. He's basically the absentee father of the Democratic Party. If I could rate him...I'd give him a D

This is a very important point regarding Obama's leadership, or rather lack of thereof, of the Democratic Party. First he put an important ally at the DNC helm, but we all know Tim Kaine just isn't the man, before he gave up and ceded the party to Hillary's allies. What I find very symptomatic is that he did nothing when his own party chair, DWS, attacked one of his signature foreign policies, the Iran Nuclear Deal. What other President would've tolerated this?

Make no mistake, Obama was easily one of the best presidential candidates in history. He expertly put his campaign apparatus and played all cards right, but never built his power base outside of this.   Democrats suffered a decimation on all levels below presidential and he seemed not to care much and it came back to bite him big time, when a man committed to reversing all his policies won the election. It's almost like for Obama the party was just another tool to advance himself and nothing more.

With hindsight, Obama was a lousy leader, but it should of been foretold. You see, Obama called FDR "irresponsible" for how he handled the Great Depression and argued FDR should have worked with Hoover, meaning that there would have been no New Deal.

Centrist Democrats would have you believe that the Sanders wing of the party is too pie in the sky...but you know who's really pie in the sky: people like Obama and Clinton who think you can ''work with'' this Republican party.

That gave me a lot more respect for Obama, thank you.

[Mr.Bakari-Sellers]

First president under the Occupy Wallstreet Movement, and Trump presidency resemble the Occupy Wallstreet movement that the country just came from under.  He passed Obamacare and didn't use Specter to help pass entitlement reform like Social Security and raise the cap on SSA, like he should have, that lead to a Boehner House. Dems will do it this time, when they regain control.