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« Reply #1575 on: December 30, 2019, 04:42:24 am »

With the picks of Tanner and Raab, I'm now counting 15 major cabinet posts under ÖVP-Green and 8 of them headed by women.

But we'll have to wait until Thursday/Friday when Kurz and Kogler are presenting their new government to the public to see if there are really 50% (or more) women in the cabinet.
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« Reply #1576 on: December 30, 2019, 08:37:21 am »

The 2 new (female) Ministers for Defense and for Integration are not even sworn in yet, but FPÖs Hofer and Kickl are already attacking them:

https://kurier.at/politik/inland/integrationsministerin-noch-nicht-angelobt-aber-kickl-wettert-schon/400714620

Hofer says that a „Defense Minister should have at least served in the Military or in the Draft“ and calls her „not really qualified for the job“. (This is not completely wrong, because the ÖVP often awards ministerial posts according to their internal party structure, Claudia Tanner comes from the ÖVPs farmer wing, which is not something that has a lot to do with Defense).

Kickl attacked Susanne Raab today, saying that there doesn’t even need to be a Ministry of Integration, because it is a duty of immigrants to integrate on their own and no state aid should be needed and that the ÖVP used to „block his ideas on immigration“ when he was still in office. He also said Austria needs „repatriation centers“ for immigrants and not an integration ministry.
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« Reply #1577 on: December 30, 2019, 08:48:08 am »

The 2 new (female) Ministers for Defense and for Integration are not even sworn in yet, but FPÖs Hofer and Kickl are already attacking them:

https://kurier.at/politik/inland/integrationsministerin-noch-nicht-angelobt-aber-kickl-wettert-schon/400714620

Hofer says that a „Defense Minister should have at least served in the Military or in the Draft“ and calls her „not really qualified for the job“. (This is not completely wrong, because the ÖVP often awards ministerial posts according to their internal party structure, Claudia Tanner comes from the ÖVPs farmer wing, which is not something that has a lot to do with Defense).

Kickl attacked Susanne Raab today, saying that there doesn’t even need to be a Ministry of Integration, because it is a duty of immigrants to integrate on their own and no state aid should be needed and that the ÖVP used to „block his ideas on immigration“ when he was still in office. He also said Austria needs „repatriation centers“ for immigrants and not an integration ministry.

Lol good to see the FPO continuing to show their ugly colours. Also it's ridiculous to assert that the Austrian Defesne Minister needs to be a veteran- it's not like you're facing a constant existential threat. Without such threates that require experienced Ministers, it's better to have a civi Minister who can be more critical of the military.
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« Reply #1578 on: December 30, 2019, 08:55:37 am »

The 2 new (female) Ministers for Defense and for Integration are not even sworn in yet, but FPÖs Hofer and Kickl are already attacking them:

https://kurier.at/politik/inland/integrationsministerin-noch-nicht-angelobt-aber-kickl-wettert-schon/400714620

Hofer says that a „Defense Minister should have at least served in the Military or in the Draft“ and calls her „not really qualified for the job“. (This is not completely wrong, because the ÖVP often awards ministerial posts according to their internal party structure, Claudia Tanner comes from the ÖVPs farmer wing, which is not something that has a lot to do with Defense).

Kickl attacked Susanne Raab today, saying that there doesn’t even need to be a Ministry of Integration, because it is a duty of immigrants to integrate on their own and no state aid should be needed and that the ÖVP used to „block his ideas on immigration“ when he was still in office. He also said Austria needs „repatriation centers“ for immigrants and not an integration ministry.

Lol good to see the FPO continuing to show their ugly colours. Also it's ridiculous to assert that the Austrian Defesne Minister needs to be a veteran- it's not like you're facing a constant existential threat. Without such threates that require experienced Ministers, it's better to have a civi Minister who can be more critical of the military.

Maybe an outsider is sometimes better, yeah, but with the ÖVP you sometimes get the impression that qualification doesn’t really matter for a certain cabinet job ...

For example Kurz‘s big buddy from earlier Vienna days, Gernot Blümel, will likely become the new Finance Minister.

The guy has a BA in philosophy !

What qualifies him for Finance ?

Ultimately, it will come down to how they manage their department - but a certain kind of experience is always needed.

Otherwise voters get the impression that you just have to „work“ your way up the party high enough to get a proper high-paid job without any real qualifications.
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« Reply #1579 on: December 30, 2019, 01:22:02 pm »

Besides Tanner and Raab, another 2 women were officially confirmed by ÖVP and Greens today as cabinet members:

Karoline Edtstadler (ÖVP) - Minister for the Chancellery, Europe and Media


Source: Edtstadler Facebook page

Basically Kurz‘s deputy in the Chancellor office. Edtstadler (a former judge) is currently a Member of the European Parliament and was previously State Secretary in the Interior Ministry as a so-called „ÖVP watchdog“ for Herbert Kickl (FPÖ).

Leonore Gewessler (Greens) - Super Minister for Environment, Transport & Infrastructure


Source: Green Party website

Has established herself as a major player of the „new“ Green Party during the coalition talks and deputy of Green Party leader Werner Kogler. She’s a former leader of a major environmental NGO called Global 2000 and will lead one of the most important ministries in the next decades, especially if some kind of CO2 tax will be introduced.
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« Reply #1580 on: December 30, 2019, 04:13:40 pm »

The „Krone“ reports that Kurz is still looking for a younger woman from Styria for either a Ministry or State Secretary post until Thursday when the new government is presented.

That’s because Styria, as a large state and with a big ÖVP victory recently, is currently not represented by a ÖVP candidate mentioned by the media.

If Kurz picks another woman, the new government would probably even be majority female.

And not only that: it would also be the youngest cabinet ever, with most in their 30s or 40s.
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« Reply #1581 on: December 31, 2019, 02:01:00 am »

ÖVP and Greens are still working out the last details of their new coalition today and tomorrow, before presenting it to the public on Thursday.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Tuerkis-Gruen-11-Regierungsmitglieder-fuer-OeVP-4-fuer-Gruene/411413673

Ö24 and other media are reporting now that the ÖVP will get 11 ministers (incl. Kurz as Chancellor) and the Greens 4 (incl. Kogler as Vice-Chancellor).

Both parties will nominate an additional State Secretary, so the new cabinet will have 17 members (5 more than the current technocratic interim government, but almost unchanged in size from the ÖVP-FPÖ government).

The coalition contract will likely have around 200 pages and is finalized these days.

Major agreements apparently include a tax cut, but with a balanced budget for the next years. A carbon tax will be introduced to reduce the emission output, but there will be much more investment into public transportation in urban/suburban areas and rail infrastructure. Reducing child poverty by a lot is another major goal and better integration of foreigners. The Greens were also victorious on full transparency for party finances, where the court of audit will now get proper insight like the FEC in the US. On the other hand, the Greens OKd the ÖVPs hardline on immigration.
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« Reply #1582 on: December 31, 2019, 04:46:36 am »
« Edited: January 01, 2020, 04:41:40 pm by Skankhunt42 »

Another ÖVP-Green cabinet member just got confirmed:

It also means that the ÖVP government team will be majority-female (6 of 11) and because the Greens have a majority-female government party statute, it also means that 3 of the 4 Green members will be female. That's 9 of 15 for the whole government. Even if the 2 additional state secretaries are male, it's still 9-8 female.

https://www.krone.at/2070297
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« Reply #1583 on: December 31, 2019, 05:11:34 am »

A fact seems to have drowned in the media:

There's still the Social Ministry (or used to be) and Rudi Anschober or Astrid Rössler were mentioned as ministers for this department for the Greens.

Now there is some uncertainty if the Ministry will continue to exist at all, or if Aschbacher will take it over ("Labour" has always been at the Social Ministry before).

If the Social Ministry continues to be its own department, then we probably have 16 ministries, not just 15 as the media said.
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« Reply #1584 on: December 31, 2019, 09:48:16 am »

Alma Zadic, born in Tuzla (Bosnia), will become the new Minister for Justice.


Source: Wikipedia

This was confirmed by the Greens today.

She will become the first minister of Balkan origin.

The FPÖ is already going nuts, calling her a "Muslim", "a convicted criminal" and several vulgar terms.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000112802978/rassistischer-hass-gegen-gruene-zadic-nach-posting-von-fpoe-politiker

It's not even clear if she's a Muslim, nor does it matter.
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« Reply #1585 on: December 31, 2019, 01:11:21 pm »

  Tender, what is the perception of the new interior minister, Karl Nehammer? 
   Also, if in fact the new coalition continues, more or less, the previous immigration policies of the OVP FPO government, that shows quite a bit of ideological flexibility on the part of the Greens, and quite a bit of pragmatism, in that they show that as long as they get some serious gains on the environment, they can give up ground on their pro-multicultural, pro more immigration policies.
   I think long term that would be a good model for other Green parties in Europe to look toward.
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« Reply #1586 on: January 01, 2020, 12:50:17 am »

  Tender, what is the perception of the new interior minister, Karl Nehammer? 
   Also, if in fact the new coalition continues, more or less, the previous immigration policies of the OVP FPO government, that shows quite a bit of ideological flexibility on the part of the Greens, and quite a bit of pragmatism, in that they show that as long as they get some serious gains on the environment, they can give up ground on their pro-multicultural, pro more immigration policies.
   I think long term that would be a good model for other Green parties in Europe to look toward.

Karl Nehammer is the typical party soldier and a close associate of Kurz.

He served in the military voluntarily for a few years and is considered a hardliner on immigration.

Yeah, the Greens definitely were OK with the strict immigration course of Kurz, which is a good thing. The worst thing we'd need is the Greens dictating things on immigration.
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« Reply #1587 on: January 01, 2020, 04:26:10 am »

The concluding talks of ÖVP-Greens are planned for the afternoon (maybe a few last negotiations about the 2 state secretaries and the Foreign Minister).

Maybe the Foreign Ministry will be awarded to the Greens at the last moment, but who knows ?

Kurz and Kogler will hold a press statement today at around 8-9pm primetime, to announce the successful conclusion of coalition talks.

They will present their government and their deal tomorrow.
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« Reply #1588 on: January 01, 2020, 07:35:35 am »

  Tender, what is the perception of the new interior minister, Karl Nehammer? 
   Also, if in fact the new coalition continues, more or less, the previous immigration policies of the OVP FPO government, that shows quite a bit of ideological flexibility on the part of the Greens, and quite a bit of pragmatism, in that they show that as long as they get some serious gains on the environment, they can give up ground on their pro-multicultural, pro more immigration policies.
   I think long term that would be a good model for other Green parties in Europe to look toward.
Yes, I'm glad they decided not to die on that hill and focus on their environmental priorities. Being kicked out of the parliament seems to have done the Austrian Greens a world of good.
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« Reply #1589 on: January 01, 2020, 10:59:29 am »

  Tender, what is the perception of the new interior minister, Karl Nehammer? 
   Also, if in fact the new coalition continues, more or less, the previous immigration policies of the OVP FPO government, that shows quite a bit of ideological flexibility on the part of the Greens, and quite a bit of pragmatism, in that they show that as long as they get some serious gains on the environment, they can give up ground on their pro-multicultural, pro more immigration policies.
   I think long term that would be a good model for other Green parties in Europe to look toward.
Yes, I'm glad they decided not to die on that hill and focus on their environmental priorities. Being kicked out of the parliament seems to have done the Austrian Greens a world of good.

Yes, it seem obvious in hindsight that there needed to be give-and-take between the two parties, and this is one of those areas. Maintaining the OVP's immigration policies is something that the Greens would be more eager to push back on, if they were not negotiating for a govt with approximately 2 OVP minister for 1 Green. So, it appears they traded this plank away for more  aggressive climate policies like the Carbon Tax. The trade also is less painful than say the Lib-Dems action on tuition fees since they are getting this new 'Integration' ministry, which gives  the Greens a bit of a voice in this general policy track
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« Reply #1590 on: January 01, 2020, 11:31:24 am »

  Tender, what is the perception of the new interior minister, Karl Nehammer? 
   Also, if in fact the new coalition continues, more or less, the previous immigration policies of the OVP FPO government, that shows quite a bit of ideological flexibility on the part of the Greens, and quite a bit of pragmatism, in that they show that as long as they get some serious gains on the environment, they can give up ground on their pro-multicultural, pro more immigration policies.
   I think long term that would be a good model for other Green parties in Europe to look toward.
Yes, I'm glad they decided not to die on that hill and focus on their environmental priorities. Being kicked out of the parliament seems to have done the Austrian Greens a world of good.

Yes, it seem obvious in hindsight that there needed to be give-and-take between the two parties, and this is one of those areas. Maintaining the OVP's immigration policies is something that the Greens would be more eager to push back on, if they were not negotiating for a govt with approximately 2 OVP minister for 1 Green. So, it appears they traded this plank away for more  aggressive climate policies like the Carbon Tax. The trade also is less painful than say the Lib-Dems action on tuition fees since they are getting this new 'Integration' ministry, which gives  the Greens a bit of a voice in this general policy track

The new Integration Ministry will be ÖVP-Held though, not Green.
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« Reply #1591 on: January 01, 2020, 11:55:41 am »

  Tender, what is the perception of the new interior minister, Karl Nehammer? 
   Also, if in fact the new coalition continues, more or less, the previous immigration policies of the OVP FPO government, that shows quite a bit of ideological flexibility on the part of the Greens, and quite a bit of pragmatism, in that they show that as long as they get some serious gains on the environment, they can give up ground on their pro-multicultural, pro more immigration policies.
   I think long term that would be a good model for other Green parties in Europe to look toward.
Yes, I'm glad they decided not to die on that hill and focus on their environmental priorities. Being kicked out of the parliament seems to have done the Austrian Greens a world of good.

Yes, it seem obvious in hindsight that there needed to be give-and-take between the two parties, and this is one of those areas. Maintaining the OVP's immigration policies is something that the Greens would be more eager to push back on, if they were not negotiating for a govt with approximately 2 OVP minister for 1 Green. So, it appears they traded this plank away for more  aggressive climate policies like the Carbon Tax. The trade also is less painful than say the Lib-Dems action on tuition fees since they are getting this new 'Integration' ministry, which gives  the Greens a bit of a voice in this general policy track

The new Integration Ministry will be ÖVP-Held though, not Green.

Oops, thought it was a green position. My bad.
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