~Half of Republicans

[KingSweden]

Most of the media is an enemy of the people.

Citation needed.

Do you really think that they have anything to gain from having the peoples' best interests in mind?

The media is an enormously powerful tool in that it has the power to manufacture & distribute narratives that influence public opinion. Media outlets on both sides of the political aisle, left-wing and right-wing alike, are mostly in the business of pushing agendas.

For the most part they aren't objective, and they bend the truth to form a narrative. They're just dishonest hacks that trumpet the sensationalized BS that they're fed through a teleprompter.

This is an argument that the media business model is utterly broken (one which I agree with!), not that they are actively “enemies of the people,” which is dangerously authoritarian language. They can be sensationalist hacks with a net negative influence (particularly cable news) without rising to the inflammatory description you deployed.

[PSOL]

These "Clinton Voters" SAY they want border security, but what is their record on supporting the border fence (not Trump's "wall", but the fence that's already been approved by Congress)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFi0QUboxs

This is the very next video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf9BeXDVUuw

Hillary, as President, would never have moved to build the fence she voted for as a Senator.  If you think otherwise, check out the videos of the 2016 DNC which featured actual illegal aliens at the podium.  

Hillary claims to be a Christian as well.  Jesus said of the Pharisees:  "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."  That's kind of how I view Hillary and the Border Fence.  I'll remain silent on her professions of faith.

There are literally brainmaps showing difference, plus a lot of kids know they are that way when they are five. Considering historical documentation even in unaccepting environments, ie in NK where no one knows about it there are gays, your argument is just strongly posed to be wrong.

[American_Aristocracy]

Most of the media is an enemy of the people.

Read Manufacturing consent by Noam Chomsky.

[Fuzzy Bear]

These "Clinton Voters" SAY they want border security, but what is their record on supporting the border fence (not Trump's "wall", but the fence that's already been approved by Congress)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFi0QUboxs

This is the very next video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf9BeXDVUuw

Hillary, as President, would never have moved to build the fence she voted for as a Senator.  If you think otherwise, check out the videos of the 2016 DNC which featured actual illegal aliens at the podium.  

Hillary claims to be a Christian as well.  Jesus said of the Pharisees:  "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."  That's kind of how I view Hillary and the Border Fence.  I'll remain silent on her professions of faith.

If you're going to deride Hillary in terms of her Christianity, then I expect you to do the same for Donald Trump.  You and I see things quite differently in terms of her faith.  Whether it is genuine is between her and God; but she has shown her faith and that's what we can judge her on.  The same with Trump.  I seriously challenge you to compare the faith of Trump against the faith of Hillary and tell me which you truly see as the better, more faithful Christian--again, on their actions, not on what you perceive about their personalities.

I have never said that Trump is a Christian.  I have posted that more than once on Atlas.  I have said this to the faces of my Christian brethren at my church, including my pastor.  I have pointed out that Trump has, to my knowledge, never made a public confession of what I would consider to be Saving Faith. 

I have never said that Trump's lifestyle manifests the Life of Christ.  It does not.  I have never held Trump up to be some Christian Role Model; indeed, in his personal life, he's been a model of what NOT to do. 

I have expressed here, and to my brethren, my belief that it is harmful to the Faith to assert that Trump is something he's not, spiritually.  It doesn't help Trump, it doesn't help the New Believer, and it corrupts the long-term Christian by detracting from his/her spiritual maturity.  There is no reason to believe that Trump is Saved, including his own statements.  There are lots of folks who are ALLIED with Christians (Rush Limbaugh comes to mind.) who are not Believers themselves, and Christians do no one a service to assert that they are.

That being said, Trump advocates issue positions that are more reflective of Scripture than Hillary Clinton (though both are far from perfect).  More relevantly, Trump is at least friendly toward the Church; he has respect for the Body of Christ even as he seems to not understand it.  Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, wants Jesus, but on her terms.  For all of her religiosity (which she displays at suitable times), she has never conveyed the idea that her belief in Christ is an overriding Faith that would cause her to disagree with her party or her political following.  Indeed, Wikileaks revealed a woman wanting to infiltrate churches to bend their theology.  That is what it is just as much as Trump is who he is.

[Yellowhammer]

Most of the media is an enemy of the people.

Citation needed.

Do you really think that they have anything to gain from having the peoples' best interests in mind?

The media is an enormously powerful tool in that it has the power to manufacture & distribute narratives that influence public opinion. Media outlets on both sides of the political aisle, left-wing and right-wing alike, are mostly in the business of pushing agendas.

For the most part they aren't objective, and they bend the truth to form a narrative. They're just dishonest hacks that trumpet the sensationalized BS that they're fed through a teleprompter.

This is an argument that the media business model is utterly broken (one which I agree with!), not that they are actively “enemies of the people,” which is dangerously authoritarian language. They can be sensationalist hacks with a net negative influence (particularly cable news) without rising to the inflammatory description you deployed.

They are in the business of deceiving the people. If that does not make them an enemy, what would?

I understand your concerns about that sounding authoritarian, but it's simply true. I believe in a free press and I believe that members of the press have the right to call out corruption, to hold leaders accountable, to express any and all opinions, and generally to say what they want.

But unfortunately, that's not what most American media is interested in doing. It isn't profitable. Being sellouts to the highest bidder, however, is.

[ProudModerate2]

These "Clinton Voters" SAY they want border security, but what is their record on supporting the border fence (not Trump's "wall", but the fence that's already been approved by Congress)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFi0QUboxs

This is the very next video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf9BeXDVUuw

Hillary, as President, would never have moved to build the fence she voted for as a Senator.  If you think otherwise, check out the videos of the 2016 DNC which featured actual illegal aliens at the podium.  

Hillary claims to be a Christian as well.  Jesus said of the Pharisees:  "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."  That's kind of how I view Hillary and the Border Fence.  I'll remain silent on her professions of faith.

If you're going to deride Hillary in terms of her Christianity, then I expect you to do the same for Donald Trump.  You and I see things quite differently in terms of her faith.  Whether it is genuine is between her and God; but she has shown her faith and that's what we can judge her on.  The same with Trump.  I seriously challenge you to compare the faith of Trump against the faith of Hillary and tell me which you truly see as the better, more faithful Christian--again, on their actions, not on what you perceive about their personalities.

I have never said that Trump is a Christian.  I have posted that more than once on Atlas.  I have said this to the faces of my Christian brethren at my church, including my pastor.  I have pointed out that Trump has, to my knowledge, never made a public confession of what I would consider to be Saving Faith.  

I have never said that Trump's lifestyle manifests the Life of Christ.  It does not.  I have never held Trump up to be some Christian Role Model; indeed, in his personal life, he's been a model of what NOT to do.  

I have expressed here, and to my brethren, my belief that it is harmful to the Faith to assert that Trump is something he's not, spiritually.  It doesn't help Trump, it doesn't help the New Believer, and it corrupts the long-term Christian by detracting from his/her spiritual maturity.  There is no reason to believe that Trump is Saved, including his own statements.  There are lots of folks who are ALLIED with Christians (Rush Limbaugh comes to mind.) who are not Believers themselves, and Christians do no one a service to assert that they are.

That being said, Trump advocates issue positions that are more reflective of Scripture than Hillary Clinton (though both are far from perfect).  More relevantly, Trump is at least friendly toward the Church; he has respect for the Body of Christ even as he seems to not understand it.  Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, wants Jesus, but on her terms.  For all of her religiosity (which she displays at suitable times), she has never conveyed the idea that her belief in Christ is an overriding Faith that would cause her to disagree with her party or her political following.  Indeed, Wikileaks revealed a woman wanting to infiltrate churches to bend their theology.  That is what it is just as much as Trump is who he is.

Here is what Fuzzy pointed to earlier...
Jesus said of the Pharisees, "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."

He attempted to use this towards Clinton, yet from Fuzzy's newest post above, it sure sounds like trump's "heart" is "far, far, VERY FAR from" any belief in Christ.
PS: Any "lip" service of pretending to be Christian (and fooling the masses) clearly falls more with the Orange Slug than Hillary.

[Progressive Pessimist]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

[KingSweden]

Most of the media is an enemy of the people.

Citation needed.

Do you really think that they have anything to gain from having the peoples' best interests in mind?

The media is an enormously powerful tool in that it has the power to manufacture & distribute narratives that influence public opinion. Media outlets on both sides of the political aisle, left-wing and right-wing alike, are mostly in the business of pushing agendas.

For the most part they aren't objective, and they bend the truth to form a narrative. They're just dishonest hacks that trumpet the sensationalized BS that they're fed through a teleprompter.

This is an argument that the media business model is utterly broken (one which I agree with!), not that they are actively “enemies of the people,” which is dangerously authoritarian language. They can be sensationalist hacks with a net negative influence (particularly cable news) without rising to the inflammatory description you deployed.

They are in the business of deceiving the people. If that does not make them an enemy, what would?

I understand your concerns about that sounding authoritarian, but it's simply true. I believe in a free press and I believe that members of the press have the right to call out corruption, to hold leaders accountable, to express any and all opinions, and generally to say what they want.

But unfortunately, that's not what most American media is interested in doing. It isn't profitable. Being sellouts to the highest bidder, however, is.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the “enemy” verbiage even though we’re broadly in agreement on all else

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IGl1CCprCeU

[Inmate Trump]

These "Clinton Voters" SAY they want border security, but what is their record on supporting the border fence (not Trump's "wall", but the fence that's already been approved by Congress)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFi0QUboxs

This is the very next video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf9BeXDVUuw

Hillary, as President, would never have moved to build the fence she voted for as a Senator.  If you think otherwise, check out the videos of the 2016 DNC which featured actual illegal aliens at the podium.  

Hillary claims to be a Christian as well.  Jesus said of the Pharisees:  "They honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me."  That's kind of how I view Hillary and the Border Fence.  I'll remain silent on her professions of faith.

If you're going to deride Hillary in terms of her Christianity, then I expect you to do the same for Donald Trump.  You and I see things quite differently in terms of her faith.  Whether it is genuine is between her and God; but she has shown her faith and that's what we can judge her on.  The same with Trump.  I seriously challenge you to compare the faith of Trump against the faith of Hillary and tell me which you truly see as the better, more faithful Christian--again, on their actions, not on what you perceive about their personalities.

I have never said that Trump is a Christian.  I have posted that more than once on Atlas.  I have said this to the faces of my Christian brethren at my church, including my pastor.  I have pointed out that Trump has, to my knowledge, never made a public confession of what I would consider to be Saving Faith. 

I have never said that Trump's lifestyle manifests the Life of Christ.  It does not.  I have never held Trump up to be some Christian Role Model; indeed, in his personal life, he's been a model of what NOT to do. 

I have expressed here, and to my brethren, my belief that it is harmful to the Faith to assert that Trump is something he's not, spiritually.  It doesn't help Trump, it doesn't help the New Believer, and it corrupts the long-term Christian by detracting from his/her spiritual maturity.  There is no reason to believe that Trump is Saved, including his own statements.  There are lots of folks who are ALLIED with Christians (Rush Limbaugh comes to mind.) who are not Believers themselves, and Christians do no one a service to assert that they are.

That being said, Trump advocates issue positions that are more reflective of Scripture than Hillary Clinton (though both are far from perfect).  More relevantly, Trump is at least friendly toward the Church; he has respect for the Body of Christ even as he seems to not understand it.  Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, wants Jesus, but on her terms.  For all of her religiosity (which she displays at suitable times), she has never conveyed the idea that her belief in Christ is an overriding Faith that would cause her to disagree with her party or her political following.  Indeed, Wikileaks revealed a woman wanting to infiltrate churches to bend their theology.  That is what it is just as much as Trump is who he is.

1. Which policies (be very specific) that Trump champions are reflective of Jesus' teachings?

2. Cite an example with a date or a video or transcript or SOMETHING proving that Trump is friendly to Christianity, and Clinton is not.  If anything, I think you'll be able to find an equal number of examples of both of them being friendly (or not) toward Christianity.

3. What has caused you to believe that Hillary "wants Jesus only on her terms?"  What has caused you to believe that Trump is in any way opposite to that (i.e., "he has respect for the Body of Christ"...what event or quote or whatever else has caused you to believe that)?

4. You say Hillary has never shown her faith to be so great that it would override her political affiliations.....well, when has Trump ever shown that?

5. You are clearly delusional when it comes to the way you view Trump/Republicans and Hillary/Democrats.  I'm just trying to figure out what's causing the delusion and it can't be on religious grounds because you and I are the same religion.  Hillary was a friggin Sunday school teacher, Tim Kaine was a friggin missionary.  Donald Trump screwed a porn star while his wife was giving birth to his son.  I fully admit that Hillary may not be a great example of Christian faith; but even if she's not, she BY FAR sets a better example than Trump ever has.  I really hope you can prove me wrong here, and I hope you do so in a way that doesn't rely on the various conspiracy theories surrounding her.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

The party of Lincoln folks.

[Perlen vor den Schweinen]

The party of Lincoln folks.

I mean, there would probably be a fair few Republicans back then that would want to bomb Mayberry. All because it was a southern-sounding place.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

This is why I am glad I left the GOP over two years ago. The party has gone off the deep end with its homophobia, Islamophobia, transphobia, and sold its soul to the highest bidder.

Why anyone would want to support a party that believes insurance companies should deny you health insurance because you have a pre-existing condition (in many cases simply being female is worthy of being a pre-existing condition), a party that believes Obama was a Muslim (as an actual Muslim I find this utterly hilarious), a party that believes Hillary and Democrats are running a child sex trafficking ring, and that elected a man who believes Russia is more of an ally than our actual allies makes absolutely no sense to me.

[IceSpear]

Only half? Weak sauce. 90% voted for a literal pedophile 7 months ago.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Only half? Weak sauce. 90% voted for a literal pedophile 7 months ago.

[Fuzzy Bear]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

Sadly, I will agree with this.

The Democrats' sympathy, however, is sadly misplaced.  And their utter rejection of God contributes to this problem, though they don't see it.

I will agree with the late Barry Goldwater, who thought that it would be horrible once "those preachers" get involved in politics.  That development removed much of the compassion from the Pastors of today's Evangelical churches.  God's people are supposed to be Salt and Light to our society; to season our society with the love of God, and to shine a light in the darkness that will draw men unto HIM (not me or you).  I know many pastors that are still about that.  Folks here probably don't however, and I am praying that God will straighten that out, because it's at a point where only He can.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

Sadly, I will agree with this.

The Democrats' sympathy, however, is sadly misplaced.  And their utter rejection of God contributes to this problem, though they don't see it.

I will agree with the late Barry Goldwater, who thought that it would be horrible once "those preachers" get involved in politics.  That development removed much of the compassion from the Pastors of today's Evangelical churches.  God's people are supposed to be Salt and Light to our society; to season our society with the love of God, and to shine a light in the darkness that will draw men unto HIM (not me or you).  I know many pastors that are still about that.  Folks here probably don't however, and I am praying that God will straighten that out, because it's at a point where only He can.

False. While there are much more atheist Democrats than atheist Republicans, the majority of Democratic politicians and voters ARE Christians.

Only conservatives and people who lean conservative think that most Democrats are "godless anti-American socialists/communists".

[ON Progressive]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

Sadly, I will agree with this.

The Democrats' sympathy, however, is sadly misplaced.  And their utter rejection of God contributes to this problem, though they don't see it.

I will agree with the late Barry Goldwater, who thought that it would be horrible once "those preachers" get involved in politics.  That development removed much of the compassion from the Pastors of today's Evangelical churches.  God's people are supposed to be Salt and Light to our society; to season our society with the love of God, and to shine a light in the darkness that will draw men unto HIM (not me or you).  I know many pastors that are still about that.  Folks here probably don't however, and I am praying that God will straighten that out, because it's at a point where only He can.

False. While there are much more atheist Democrats than atheist Republicans, the majority of Democratic politicians and voters ARE Christians.

Only conservatives and people who lean conservative think that most Democrats are "godless anti-American socialists/communists".

100% agreed with this.

I also want to add as an atheist myself, the notion that atheists are rejecting God is absolutely absurd.

How on this planet are atheists rejecting God when by definition, we don't even believe he exists? You can't reject something that doesn't exist!

[Frodo]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

Sadly, I will agree with this.

The Democrats' sympathy, however, is sadly misplaced.  And their utter rejection of God contributes to this problem, though they don't see it.

I will agree with the late Barry Goldwater, who thought that it would be horrible once "those preachers" get involved in politics.  That development removed much of the compassion from the Pastors of today's Evangelical churches.  God's people are supposed to be Salt and Light to our society; to season our society with the love of God, and to shine a light in the darkness that will draw men unto HIM (not me or you).  I know many pastors that are still about that.  Folks here probably don't however, and I am praying that God will straighten that out, because it's at a point where only He can.

False. While there are much more atheist Democrats than atheist Republicans, the majority of Democratic politicians and voters ARE Christians.

Only conservatives and people who lean conservative think that most Democrats are "godless anti-American socialists/communists".

I think he was referring to how few white Democrats still believe in God, completely overlooking the God-fearing African-Americans and Latinos who comprise the base of the party. 

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

Sadly, I will agree with this.

The Democrats' sympathy, however, is sadly misplaced.  And their utter rejection of God contributes to this problem, though they don't see it.

I will agree with the late Barry Goldwater, who thought that it would be horrible once "those preachers" get involved in politics.  That development removed much of the compassion from the Pastors of today's Evangelical churches.  God's people are supposed to be Salt and Light to our society; to season our society with the love of God, and to shine a light in the darkness that will draw men unto HIM (not me or you).  I know many pastors that are still about that.  Folks here probably don't however, and I am praying that God will straighten that out, because it's at a point where only He can.

False. While there are much more atheist Democrats than atheist Republicans, the majority of Democratic politicians and voters ARE Christians.

Only conservatives and people who lean conservative think that most Democrats are "godless anti-American socialists/communists".

I think he was referring to how few white Democrats still believe in God, completely overlooking the God-fearing African-Americans and Latinos who comprise the base of the party.  

Not really. This article shows each party's religious views and it's really not that different: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/

Republican politicians just empathize a more fundamentalist version of Christianity and give lip service to appear "holier" and "more Christian". Democratic politicians let their actions do the talking.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Hillary is much more religious than Trump, but just keeps her beliefs to herself. Trump couldn't even name his favorite Bible verse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qbt0LHmvE

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

As someone who is quite religious (Non-Christian obviously), I think it's stupid to bring religion anywhere near politics.

[Fight for Trump]

Only half? Weak sauce. 90% voted for a literal pedophile 7 months ago.

Not a literal pedophile, as Moore did not show any attraction to pre-pubescent children. A literal creep and predator, yes.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Only half? Weak sauce. 90% voted for a literal pedophile 7 months ago.

Not a literal pedophile, as Moore did not show any attraction to pre-pubescent children. A literal creep and predator, yes.

Honestly only the first allegation was actually credible, but that still should’ve buried him. Senator Moore would have been a thorn in Trump’s side had he won anyway.

[Fuzzy Bear]

It's a party without any morals or empathy. This isn't particularly astonishing. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing. But it isn't an aberration.

Sadly, I will agree with this.

The Democrats' sympathy, however, is sadly misplaced.  And their utter rejection of God contributes to this problem, though they don't see it.

I will agree with the late Barry Goldwater, who thought that it would be horrible once "those preachers" get involved in politics.  That development removed much of the compassion from the Pastors of today's Evangelical churches.  God's people are supposed to be Salt and Light to our society; to season our society with the love of God, and to shine a light in the darkness that will draw men unto HIM (not me or you).  I know many pastors that are still about that.  Folks here probably don't however, and I am praying that God will straighten that out, because it's at a point where only He can.

False. While there are much more atheist Democrats than atheist Republicans, the majority of Democratic politicians and voters ARE Christians.

Only conservatives and people who lean conservative think that most Democrats are "godless anti-American socialists/communists".

I think he was referring to how few white Democrats still believe in God, completely overlooking the God-fearing African-Americans and Latinos who comprise the base of the party. 

How many African-American or Latino Democratic politicians who are members of religious denominations that profess to be Fundamentalist or who are Roman Catholic are pro-life?

How many African-American or Latino Democratic politicians who are members of religious denominations that profess to be Fundamentalist, or who are Roman Catholic oppose Same Sex Marriage?

How many African-American or Latino Democrats who are members of religious denominations that profess to be Fundamentalist, or who are Roman Catholic support abstinence-based measures for prevention of teen pregnancies given the Words of Christ, Himself on Marriage, Divorce, and Sexual activity?

How many African-American or Latino Democrats who are members of religious denominations that profess to be Fundamentalist, or who are Roman Catholic will admit publicly that Scripture forbids homosexual activity?  "If you deny Me before Man, I will deny you before My Father, who is in Heaven."  "If you love me, keep my Commandments."

I have taken the Mammon-Worshiping Republicans, including their Catholic advocates of the death penalty, to task in other posts.  This one is focusing on a different group of pols who have molded their personal theology to their politics.  Outside of Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), I can't think of any other black or Latino Democrat that fills any of the bill here.  I'll gladly stand corrected if someone can give me counterexamples.