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« on: June 29, 2018, 01:57:59 pm »
« edited: April 02, 2019, 11:03:09 am by Gass3268 »







All but ensures that the Democrats will keep the majority.

Edit: Expand the majority!
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2018, 02:07:39 pm »

Not just keep, but expand
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2018, 02:09:52 pm »


How would it expand? Is the Supreme Court seat up for election R-held?
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2018, 02:11:56 pm »
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How would it expand? Is the Supreme Court seat up for election R-held?

Dems already have a 1 seat majority on the NC Supreme Court, if they win this seat it will be expanded to a 2 seat majority. And even if the NC GOP packed the court, there still wouldn't be an R majority.

Basically, if Earls win, Dems would have a 5-2 Supreme Court majority. NC GOP could pack the court and add two additional seats bringing it to 5-4 (still a Dem majority). Big screw up for the NC GOP.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2018, 02:27:11 pm »

Anglin seems like he's purposefully trying to sabotage the Rs here.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2018, 02:53:07 pm »

Oh my gosh, it keeps getting better. A committee of 2 Democrats (SoS Elaine Marshall & AG Josh Stein and 1 Republican (Legislative Services Officer Paul Coble) get to write the ballot language for the Consitutional Amendments the Republicans are trying to pass:










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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2018, 02:55:05 pm »

Oh my gosh, it keeps getting better. A committee of 2 Democrats and 1 Republican get to write the ballot language for the Consitutional Amendments the Republicans are trying to pass:












LMAO. That's amazing.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2018, 03:04:45 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2018, 03:08:49 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

Unfortunately, North Carolina doesn't allow the Governor to veto maps.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2018, 04:37:41 pm »

To think the NCGOP eliminated the primary to try to hope for a D-D-R plurality race....talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2018, 04:42:19 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2018, 05:09:37 pm »

Thank god for incompetent evil
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2018, 09:09:20 pm »

This is what happens when a state party is swept in on a wave and not through hard work. The entirety of the NCGOP is incompetent, and doesn't realize that the Dems still had parts of the Gov from back when it was a solid Dem state. They played risky, went all in, and in the end, the Dems had a flush.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2018, 07:16:50 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2018, 07:47:38 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
like scar when the hyenas eat him alive
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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2018, 07:55:03 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
like scar when the hyenas eat him alive

The NC GOP has long since crossed the line into cliche cartoon villainy.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2018, 08:06:34 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
like scar when the hyenas eat him alive

The NC GOP has long since crossed the line into cliche cartoon villainy.

Is it just me or have they gotten even worse since Tillis went to DC? Berger and Moore seem totally off the rails
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2018, 01:03:30 am »

I didn’t know until Roy Cooper was on Pod Save America last week that some outside groups don’t consider NC to be a democracy. I followed up on it and Harvard’s group gives it a 58/100 for extreme gerrymandering, intentional suppression of minority votes, and the GOP stripping Cooper of some of his powers. If it were a country, they’d consider it to be similar to Cuba, Indonesia, and Sierra Leone.
https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/eip-blogs/2017/1/7/its-even-worse-than-the-news-about-north-carolina-american-elections-rank-last-among-all-western-democracies
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2018, 05:26:03 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
like scar when the hyenas eat him alive

Exactly, or Clayton from 'Tarzan' accidentally frigging hanging himself to death on jungle vines. There are so many more to choose from and they are all appropriate for the North Carolina GOP. Disney films are kind of messed up.
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2018, 05:38:38 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
like scar when the hyenas eat him alive

Exactly, or Clayton from 'Tarzan' accidentally frigging hanging himself to death on jungle vines. There are so many more to choose from and they are all appropriate for the North Carolina GOP. Disney films are kind of messed up.

Well, since Star Wars is part of Disney now, I'd say Darth Maul's final fate sounds about right.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2018, 11:30:18 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

RIP NC GOP.

RIP meaning "Rest In Pain".
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2018, 11:39:04 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

RIP NC GOP.

RIP meaning "Rest In Pain".

They only need to control the legislature in 2021 to pass new gerrymanders. The Governor unfortunately has no say in the redistricting process.

The only thing that can stop them is losing at least one chamber. It would take a pretty big landslide in the legislative popular vote to do that. The best path forward is if they lose their super-majority this November and the state Supreme Court then later overturns the legislative maps. Then Democrats might have a shot in 2020. But the GA might try to expand the state Supreme Court if that constitutional amendment passes in November that essentially lets them fill judicial vacancies.
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2018, 11:57:31 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

RIP NC GOP.

RIP meaning "Rest In Pain".

They only need to control the legislature in 2021 to pass new gerrymanders. The Governor unfortunately has no say in the redistricting process.

The only thing that can stop them is losing at least one chamber. It would take a pretty big landslide in the legislative popular vote to do that. The best path forward is if they lose their super-majority this November and the state Supreme Court then later overturns the legislative maps. Then Democrats might have a shot in 2020. But the GA might try to expand the state Supreme Court if that constitutional amendment passes in November that essentially lets them fill judicial vacancies.
After all the f***ups the NCGOP has made, I doubt the GOP will have much power in the state after 2020.

First, the supreme court is now heavily against them. It was slightly against them before, but due to sheer incompetency, the Dems will pick up a seat. The Rs are splitting the vote against one D judge, a problem they would have avoided if they had just not tampered with the rules.

The amendments are unlikely to pass now as well. They may have been able to pass them thanks to clueless voters, but now there is a citation for all the amendments, written by a mostly Dem committee. Combine this with the predicted victory of about 8 points that polls have gotten for the legislature, and I doubt these things pass anymore.

After 2018, with the loss of a super majority, the Dem Governor will finally have some bite to his bark, and the SC is likely to redraw the districts, if the SCOTUS doesnt interfere. They didnt in PA, so I doubt they will in this case. With fairer districts, the GOP will lose big time, maybe even handing the chambers to the Democrats, giving a trifecta to the state, with an extremely sympathetic SC to back them up.

If they had just done nothing, then there would have likely been a tossup for the seat, and continued control of the legislature. But, just like with the bathroom bill, the NCGOP pushed to far, to fast, and now their chance at total domination has turned into a brutal slaughter. Serves them right, in my opinion.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2018, 06:29:00 pm »

When NC GOP loses their super majority in November, they're then going to lose their gerrymandered districts in 2020. NC GOP on suicide watch.

NCGOP is finished

It better be! It deserves a Disney villain death.
like scar when the hyenas eat him alive

Exactly, or Clayton from 'Tarzan' accidentally frigging hanging himself to death on jungle vines. There are so many more to choose from and they are all appropriate for the North Carolina GOP. Disney films are kind of messed up.

Well, since Star Wars is part of Disney now, I'd say Darth Maul's final fate sounds about right.

I disagree. SPOILERS: In 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Darth Maul inexplicably comes back to life (actually because of a TV series or something, I don't know, that was a dumb idea) with a cybernetic lower body. SPOILERS OVER: I would hope that doesn't happen to them.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2018, 12:08:15 am »

Yeah... soooo, about that:




I mean, to be honest, everyone should have expected this. The NCGOP is arguably the most petty, corrupt and power-hungry state party in the country. Other states like Alabama may see a lot of officials arrested, but NC Republicans are most likely to behave like authoritarians when it comes to actual governing.
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