Italian Elections and Politics 2022 - Our Time to Schlein

[CumbrianLefty]

So all those very light blue places actually didn't vote?

You mean the light grey places? Lol

Yes, they were regions which had no regional election this cycle.

Many would genuinely describe that as light blue-grey, tbf

So what is the dark grey bit in the NW corner?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

So all those very light blue places actually didn't vote?

You mean the light grey places? Lol

Yes, they were regions which had no regional election this cycle.

Many would genuinely describe that as light blue-grey, tbf

So what is the dark grey bit in the NW corner?

Valle d'Aosta, which I left "N/A" because 1. the president of the region is not directly elected 2. there are strong regionalist parties which make for a different political system than the rest of Italy.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So all those very light blue places actually didn't vote?

You mean the light grey places? Lol

Yes, they were regions which had no regional election this cycle.

Many would genuinely describe that as light blue-grey, tbf

So what is the dark grey bit in the NW corner?

Valle d'Aosta, which I left "N/A" because 1. the president of the region is not directly elected 2. there are strong regionalist parties which make for a different political system than the rest of Italy.

Plus it's plain old PR, without coalitions. Lega topped the polls there for what it's worth, but with just 23%.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

So all those very light blue places actually didn't vote?

You mean the light grey places? Lol

Yes, they were regions which had no regional election this cycle.

Many would genuinely describe that as light blue-grey, tbf

So what is the dark grey bit in the NW corner?

Valle d'Aosta, which I left "N/A" because 1. the president of the region is not directly elected 2. there are strong regionalist parties which make for a different political system than the rest of Italy.

Plus it's plain old PR, without coalitions. Lega topped the polls there for what it's worth, but with just 23%.

Yes exactly. It's just incommensurable with the other regions. I wonder what kind of coalition will the new Aosta Valley regional government have.

[Andrea]

Mayoral run-offs held yesterday and today.

Results in main towns ("capoluoghi di provincia", provincial capitals)

CR=centre-right; CL=centre-left

Arezzo: CR (incumbent) 54.5% CL 46.5% HOLD
Lecco: CL 50.1% CR 49.9% HOLD by 31 votes. (10,978 vs 10,947)
Reggio Calabria: CL (incumbent) 58.4% CR 41.6%. HOLD
Matera: 5 Stars 67.3% CR 32.4% GAIN FROM INDY
Crotone: Local 64% CR 36%. GAIN
Chieti: CL 55.8% CR 44.2% GAIN
Andria: CL 58.9% M5S 41.1%. GAIN
Aosta: CL 53.3% Rinascimento 46.7%. HOLD
Bolzano: CL 57.2% CR 42.8% (SVP backed CL in the run off)


Main towns with mayor elected on first round 2 weeks ago:

Macerata: CR 52.8% CL 32.6%. Gain from CL (incumbent term-limited)
Mantova: CL (incumbent) 70.7% CR 22.1%
Venezia: CR (incumbent)54.1% CL 29.3%
Fermo: Independent (incumbent) 71.4% CL 14.8% Lega 10.2%
Trento: CL 54.7% CR 30.2%. CL incumbent stood down
Trani: CL (incumbent) 65.4% CR 16.1%

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Mayoral run-offs held yesterday and today.

Results in main towns ("capoluoghi di provincia", provincial capitals)

CR=centre-right; CL=centre-left

Arezzo: CR (incumbent) 54.5% CL 46.5% HOLD
Lecco: CL 50.1% CR 49.9% HOLD by 31 votes. (10,978 vs 10,947)
Reggio Calabria: CL (incumbent) 58.4% CR 41.6%. HOLD
Matera: 5 Stars 67.3% CR 32.4% GAIN FROM INDY
Crotone: Local 64% CR 36%. GAIN
Chieti: CL 55.8% CR 44.2% GAIN
Andria: CL 58.9% M5S 41.1%. GAIN
Aosta: CL 53.3% Rinascimento 46.7%. HOLD
Bolzano: CL 57.2% CR 42.8% (SVP backed CL in the run off)

Lecco lol N U T nailbiter.
Is a recount allowed?

Chieti gain for the centre-left is really the last thing I was expecting.

SVP backing the centre-left in Bolzano is good, but why? It's a break from the last two years where they have shifted to backing the centre-right.

[Andrea]

Mayoral run-offs held yesterday and today.

Results in main towns ("capoluoghi di provincia", provincial capitals)

CR=centre-right; CL=centre-left

Arezzo: CR (incumbent) 54.5% CL 46.5% HOLD
Lecco: CL 50.1% CR 49.9% HOLD by 31 votes. (10,978 vs 10,947)
Reggio Calabria: CL (incumbent) 58.4% CR 41.6%. HOLD
Matera: 5 Stars 67.3% CR 32.4% GAIN FROM INDY
Crotone: Local 64% CR 36%. GAIN
Chieti: CL 55.8% CR 44.2% GAIN
Andria: CL 58.9% M5S 41.1%. GAIN
Aosta: CL 53.3% Rinascimento 46.7%. HOLD
Bolzano: CL 57.2% CR 42.8% (SVP backed CL in the run off)

Lecco lol N U T nailbiter.
Is a recount allowed?

Chieti gain for the centre-left is really the last thing I was expecting.

SVP backing the centre-left in Bolzano is good, but why? It's a break from the last two years where they have shifted to backing the centre-right.

Disputed ballots in Lecco are 15.
Local electoral commission will have now to officially declare the results. They will go through all the "verbali" from polling stations, re-doing the additions.

I remember some places with recounts in the past. Candidates need to ask for them to TAR or Consiglio di stato. I saw some places where the recount was granted one year after the election.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Mayoral run-offs held yesterday and today.

Results in main towns ("capoluoghi di provincia", provincial capitals)

CR=centre-right; CL=centre-left

Arezzo: CR (incumbent) 54.5% CL 46.5% HOLD
Lecco: CL 50.1% CR 49.9% HOLD by 31 votes. (10,978 vs 10,947)
Reggio Calabria: CL (incumbent) 58.4% CR 41.6%. HOLD
Matera: 5 Stars 67.3% CR 32.4% GAIN FROM INDY
Crotone: Local 64% CR 36%. GAIN
Chieti: CL 55.8% CR 44.2% GAIN
Andria: CL 58.9% M5S 41.1%. GAIN
Aosta: CL 53.3% Rinascimento 46.7%. HOLD
Bolzano: CL 57.2% CR 42.8% (SVP backed CL in the run off)

Lecco lol N U T nailbiter.
Is a recount allowed?

Chieti gain for the centre-left is really the last thing I was expecting.

SVP backing the centre-left in Bolzano is good, but why? It's a break from the last two years where they have shifted to backing the centre-right.

Disputed ballots in Lecco are 15.
Local electoral commission will have now to officially declare the results. They will go through all the "verbali" from polling stations, re-doing the additions.

I remember some places with recounts in the past. Candidates need to ask for them to TAR or Consiglio di stato. I saw some places where the recount was granted one year after the election.

There is a Senate constituency in Emilia-Romagna where the 2018 result was overturned by a recount in SUMMER 2019.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Wow, yeah, surprisingly good results for the left. And proof that the M5S-PD alliance can work in some cases (although it's still to be seen if it's nationally viable). That's nice to see. Let's hope the government doesn't squander all its political capital by being unable to do anything for the next 3 years... (I know, fat chance)

and lmao @ the glacial pace of the Italian judiciary

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Jole Santelli, President of Calabria, died last night. She was only 51 years old. She was suffering from a cancer.
RIP
https://www.repubblica.it/politica/2020/10/15/news/calabria_muore_la_presidente_jole_santelli-270629214



It is the first time since regional presidents are directly elected that one of them dies in office... so there are no precedents for this, but apparently the regional law states that new elections must be held within a couple months.
So Antonio you may change the thread title.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Changed the title to the general mood of the day. Will update it when we have a confirmed date for the Calabria election (it's quite possible it will get delayed given how bad the situation is getting).

As for Santelli, I'm sorry to see her go this way. Her bio makes her sound like your standard Berlusconi hack, but that obviously doesn't mean she deserved this, and on a personal level she was apparently quite friendly. Rest in peace.

In general news, yep, the second wave is on. I'll have updated charts of how bad things are getting at some point next week, but in terms of case growth we've gone all the way back to the  darkest hours of March-April (thankfully, the growth in hospitalizations is far slower, but they're still starting to severely stress the healthcare systems of some regions).

Legendary Badass Vincenzo De Luca, whose region is the second worst hit (the worst is once again Lombardy), has taken action and decided to close down schools and universities. Obviously he's getting criticized by the feckless clowns who run the national government, but I'm sure he'll answer in kind during his weekly briefing tomorrow. He continues to prove he's one of the few politicians in this country who has what it takes to save his constinuents' lives.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Changed the title to the general mood of the day. Will update it when we have a confirmed date for the Calabria election (it's quite possible it will get delayed given how bad the situation is getting).

As for Santelli, I'm sorry to see her go this way. Her bio makes her sound like your standard Berlusconi hack, but that obviously doesn't mean she deserved this, and on a personal level she was apparently quite friendly. Rest in peace.

In general news, yep, the second wave is on. I'll have updated charts of how bad things are getting at some point next week, but in terms of case growth we've gone all the way back to the  darkest hours of March-April (thankfully, the growth in hospitalizations is far slower, but they're still starting to severely stress the healthcare systems of some regions).

Legendary Badass Vincenzo De Luca, whose region is the second worst hit (the worst is once again Lombardy), has taken action and decided to close down schools and universities. Obviously he's getting criticized by the feckless clowns who run the national government, but I'm sure he'll answer in kind during his weekly briefing tomorrow. He continues to prove he's one of the few politicians in this country who has what it takes to save his constinuents' lives.

The Virgin Attilio Fontana vs. The Chad Vincenzo De Luca

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

(yesterday a friend of mine sent me an article according to which Ceccardi hosted a wake by an anti-gay tradcath group and was accused of not registering civil unions during her term as mayor)

Yesterday Nathan wrote this - I am not sure he had Ceccardi in mind but I actually think it fits her well.

"political Catholicism is when you're right-wing; the more right-wing you are, the more Catholic it is " nonsense-mongering

> Was accused of not registering civil unions
> So much a defender of the traditional family that she lives with her partner but they are not married or anything

> https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=405839.0

Ayy lmao

CONDOLENCES! AGAIN!

[Antonio the Sixth]

(yesterday a friend of mine sent me an article according to which Ceccardi hosted a wake by an anti-gay tradcath group and was accused of not registering civil unions during her term as mayor)

Yesterday Nathan wrote this - I am not sure he had Ceccardi in mind but I actually think it fits her well.

"political Catholicism is when you're right-wing; the more right-wing you are, the more Catholic it is " nonsense-mongering

> Was accused of not registering civil unions
> So much a defender of the traditional family that she lives with her partner but they are not married or anything

> https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=405839.0

Ayy lmao

CONDOLENCES! AGAIN!

CHECKMATE CATTOLEGHISTI

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

(yesterday a friend of mine sent me an article according to which Ceccardi hosted a wake by an anti-gay tradcath group and was accused of not registering civil unions during her term as mayor)

Yesterday Nathan wrote this - I am not sure he had Ceccardi in mind but I actually think it fits her well.

"political Catholicism is when you're right-wing; the more right-wing you are, the more Catholic it is " nonsense-mongering

> Was accused of not registering civil unions
> So much a defender of the traditional family that she lives with her partner but they are not married or anything

> https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=405839.0

Ayy lmao

CONDOLENCES! AGAIN!

CHECKMATE CATTOLEGHISTI

The Virgin Susanna Ceccardi and the Chad Dunstan Thompson

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

(yesterday a friend of mine sent me an article according to which Ceccardi hosted a wake by an anti-gay tradcath group and was accused of not registering civil unions during her term as mayor)

Yesterday Nathan wrote this - I am not sure he had Ceccardi in mind but I actually think it fits her well.

"political Catholicism is when you're right-wing; the more right-wing you are, the more Catholic it is " nonsense-mongering

> Was accused of not registering civil unions
> So much a defender of the traditional family that she lives with her partner but they are not married or anything

> https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=405839.0

Ayy lmao

CONDOLENCES! AGAIN!

CHECKMATE CATTOLEGHISTI

The Virgin Susanna Ceccardi and the Chad Dunstan Thompson

Not to mention that her former deputy mayor has lost the municipal election and Cascina is governed by the centre-left again now.
CONGRATS CATTOLEGHISTI! YOU LOST THRICE!

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Since I am a numbers man and not a news man, I won't talk about the (potential or actual) new restrictions or the galloping coronavirus cases, but instead I finally tabulated together the list votes across all the regions which voted on September, and here is the result.

LIST VOTES

PD: 19.8%
Lega: 14%
FdI: 10.6%
Zaia's list: 10.2% hot f[inks]
M5S: 7.5%
FI: 5.4%
IV: 3.5%
De Luca's list: 3.5%
Green Europe: 2%
Toti's list: 1.6%
Fitto's list: 1.6%
Extreme left: 1.5%
Emiliano's list: 1.2%
[I didn't tabulate separately smaller ones]
Unclassifiable and/or tiny centre-left lists*: a whopping 14%
Unclassifiable and/or tiny centre-right lists: 2.1%
Everything else**: 1.6%

SUMMING UP BY IDEOLOGICAL AREA

Centre-right: 45.5%
Basic centre-left: 40.5%
M5S: 7.5%
IV: 3.5%
Everything else: 3.1%

*I put pretty much all the fluffy lists with fluffy names and no correspondence to known parties that spawned in Campania and Apulia there.
**Including all those regional Aosta Valley parties, whose numbers are extremely tiny on a national scale.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Well since this would get a lot of "who dat?" in reply if I posted it on Off-Topic Board, and since there is not a separate thread for Italian General Discussion, I will post this here:

RIP Absolute Legend Gigi Proietti

https://www.repubblica.it/spettacoli/people/2020/11/02/news/morto_gigi_proietti-272698267

This is really saddening, I think he was my favourite living Italian actor. Fittingly for someone born on the Day of the Dead, he died on his (80th) birthday...



Today is also the 45th anniversary of Pier Paolo Pasolini's death. Pasolini strikes me as someone who must be a favourite of threadmaster Antonio.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well since this would get a lot of "who dat?" in reply if I posted it on Off-Topic Board, and since there is not a separate thread for Italian General Discussion, I will post this here:

RIP Absolute Legend Gigi Proietti

https://www.repubblica.it/spettacoli/people/2020/11/02/news/morto_gigi_proietti-272698267

This is really saddening, I think he was my favourite living Italian actor. Fittingly for someone born on the Day of the Dead, he died on his (80th) birthday...



Today is also the 45th anniversary of Pier Paolo Pasolini's death. Pasolini strikes me as someone who must be a favourite of threadmaster Antonio.

I love Pasolini, yeah. I don't think I'd enjoy all of his movies (*coughSalòcough*) but there are many I like, and he was a fascinating and much-needed voice in his time. F**k the Italian deep state for murdering him.

I'm honestly not too familiar with Gigi Proietti (I'm sure I've seen him in movies but I didn't really register him), but RIP FF.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I'm honestly not too familiar with Gigi Proietti (I'm sure I've seen him in movies but I didn't really register him), but RIP FF.

Some random examples of his sketches:
https://youtu.be/ZeJV11iVp2Q
https://youtu.be/_ylQEOeXCoE

He was also the director of the Globe Theatre in Rome (a direct replica of the one in London), situated in Villa Borghese.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

In electoral news, things that have happened in the last month or so:

1. Apparently the regional election in Calabria will be held between February and April.

2. Former Minister of the Economy and Finance Pier Carlo Padoan resigned from his Chamber seat to enter the board of directors of Unicredit (ugggh) and since he was elected from a single-member constituency, there will be a by-election... some day.

2a. Padoan represented Tuscany - 12 (Siena), which probably means we are in for a new round of collective leftist freakout about the Red Regions, although the Bonaccini/Giani experience may have quelled the doom.

2b. I've read articles reporting about rumours of... parachuting Zingaretti to the seat. I find the idea very stupid for a number of reasons, but we'll see.

[FrancoAgo]

If Zingaretti accept to run for the Chamber is crazy, they risk to loss the Lazio

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm guessing this is coming from Zingaretti's enemies? They're usually the ones who try hard to get him to accept a new job.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I'm guessing this is coming from Zingaretti's enemies? They're usually the ones who try hard to get him to accept a new job.

It's possible, I don't know. It may also be that someone had a stupid idea thinking it was great, which seems a very PD thing to do.

Meanwhile, there is also talk of a cabinet reshuffle of some sort, which I'm certain would go badly.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Today I found a lot of cool infographics about the regional elections from Bidimedia:

Liguria -
https://sondaggibidimedia.com/regionali-liguria-2020-la-mappa-interattiva-bidimedia-con-i-risultati-comune-per-comune/
As expected, the medieval centre of Genoa is RAD, whereas Foce/Albaro/San Martino (the near-east) are very right-bourgeois. All in the space of like 7 km².
It is funny because La Spezia is not even remotely as polarized; excluding the anomalous left-wing strongholds, mon amours Biassa and Pitelli, there wasn't a single precinct where either candidate broke 60% (that link only has the precincts map for Genoa, but I know the precinct results of La Spezia as well because they're on our municipality website).
There are probably more things to say about Liguria but I think we fleshed it out with palandio pretty well some months ago.

Veneto -
https://sondaggibidimedia.com/regionali-veneto-2020-la-mappa-interattiva-bidimedia-con-i-risultati-comune-per-comune/
This one is extremely boring and not very informative for obvious reasons, however I won a bet I made with a friend of mine - he thought Mestre and Marghera were more left-wing than the historic centre of Venice, I thought the opposite, and Zaia's result was indeed much worse (although still an easy win) in the historic centre. It may be a fluke, but I doubt it.

Campania -
https://sondaggibidimedia.com/regionali-campania-2020-la-mappa-interattiva-bidimedia-con-i-risultati-comune-per-comune/
This one more than boring is a mess to decipher, but still not so informative for the same obvious reasons. However interesting that even here M5S shows a relative overperformance in the northern suburbs and working class neighbourhoods of Naples. One thing I did not expect was the PD list specifically having its better result in Naples in the eastern periphery of Barra and San Giovanni a Teduccio, which goes against the latest conventional wisdom.

Marche -
https://sondaggibidimedia.com/regionali-marche-2020-la-mappa-interattiva-bidimedia-con-i-risultati-comune-per-comune/
We never talked about Marche. It is not a region I know particularly well, but the Northern part being the most left-leaning and the rural hilly province of Macerata being very right-leaning make sense to me. As does Mangialardi carrying the main cities in the Northern part, specifically Senigallia > Jesi - Ancona > Pesaro - Urbino (although he lost Fano by a lot). I find interesting that the right carried the historic centre and the seaside of Pesaro and the left carried all the surrounding neighbourhoods. Another case of right-bourgeois old town vs. working class additions I guess? I didn't know that.

Apulia -
https://sondaggibidimedia.com/regionali-puglia-2020-la-mappa-interattiva-bidimedia-con-i-risultati-comune-per-comune/
We never talked about Apulia either, but it looks like another mess. Also, this is a region I know even less than Marche. I have never been to Apulia in my life. I can only say that seeing that San Nicola (the historic centre) in Bari, while still won by Emiliano, had him doing sizably worse than in all surrounding neighbourhoods, with the same holding true for the M5S candidate, is a good indication that we have another right-bourgeois old town here. Also it looks like the Bari metro area was really wot won it for Emiliano.

Tuscany -
https://sondaggibidimedia.com/regionali-toscana-2020-la-mappa-interattiva-bidimedia-con-i-risultati-comune-per-comune/
THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS TO SAY ABOUT TUSCANY
I probably know it even more in detail than Liguria lmao. I'll answer to eventual questions, rather than starting myself. Or maybe I'll start myself, but on another day.
One funny thing I noticed though is that precincts in the city of Florence have really odd shapes.