Italian Elections and Politics 2022 - Our Time to Schlein

[OSR stands with Israel]

Is Meloni anti Russia

Much more than Salvini and Berlusconi.

So would you say out of the 3 , she is the lesser evil .

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

I'll be blunt: flyingmongoose making a new post with the updated count every minute, which is bound to only differ from the previous one by a hair, is very annoying and useless and he is therefore asked to stop. Thank you.

Also, the literal meaning of "sezioni" is just "sections". Etymology is cool like that.

[Oryxslayer]

Is Meloni anti Russia

Much more than Salvini and Berlusconi.

So would you say out of the 3 , she is the lesser evil .

Maybe on this current issue. Certainly not on a number of other ones. It certainly prompted a number of pre-election articles I saw on how the EU should support Meloni corral her allies.

[jaichind]

Absolutely terrible results for both Lega and PD. Absolutely wild for M5S given the circumstances.

It seems the voters are out to get anyone that is more aligned with the Mario Draghi government.

[Senator Incitatus]

I'll be blunt: flyingmongoose making a new post with the updated count every minute, which is bound to only differ from the previous one by a hair, is very annoying and useless and he is therefore asked to stop. Thank you.

Use the ignore function. Am pleased to have avoided this entirely by already having this user ignored.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Neo-fascists win the honor of presiding over a possibly catastrophic economic crisis. As someone who enjoys drinking out of poisoned chalices, I am very envious! 

That's nothing to celebrate. Fascists are masters in exploiting crises to consolidate power.

Does Italy have any emergency powers clause Meloni could invoke?

Thankfully no. We'll have to see if they'll be able to unilaterally change the constitution, but if these results hold they will not.

[jaichind]

A-IV is running as one party?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Absolutely terrible results for both Lega and PD. Absolutely wild for M5S given the circumstances.

It seems the voters are out to get anyone that is more aligned with the Mario Draghi government.

That doesn't appear to be unreasonable of a take.

[Logical]

+E on the cusp of the threshold.

[Andrea]

La7 projections based on first counting

Coalition
Right 43.3%
PD and allies 25.4%
M5S 17
Calenda/Renzi 7.9

FdI 26
Lega 8.4
Forza Italia 7.0
Noi moderati 1

PD 18.1
Green Left 3.6
+Europe 3.1
Di Maio 0.6

M5S 167

Renzi-Calenda 7.9

Projections on Rai TV

FdI 24.6
Lega 8.5
Forza Italia 8.0
Noi moderati 1.1


PD 19.4
Green Left 3.5
+Europe 2.9

M5S 16.5

Renzi-Calenda 7.3

[Oryxslayer]

A-IV is running as one party?

A is Azione or Action

IV is Italia Viva or Italy Alive.

So it is an alliance, but it is separate of the bigger blocks if that is what you mean.

Now why is this Liberal/Left ticket running separate of the center-left ticket? A-IV is partially Renzi's invention, partially Calenda's.

[MaxQue]

A-IV is running as one party?

A is Azione or Action

IV is Italia Viva or Italy Alive.

So it is an alliance, but it is separate of the bigger blocks if that is what you mean.

Now why is this Liberal/Left ticket running separate of the center-left ticket? A-IV is partially Renzi's invention, partially Calenda's.

They did not want to be on the same list as the Greens/Left, as those are too far from center.

[jaichind]

A-IV is running as one party?

A is Azione or Action

IV is Italia Viva or Italy Alive.

So it is an alliance, but it is separate of the bigger blocks if that is what you mean.

Now why is this Liberal/Left ticket running separate of the center-left ticket? A-IV is partially Renzi's invention, partially Calenda's.

The government election site

https://elezioni.interno.gov.it/senato/scrutini/20220925/scrutiniSI

The results are broken out for the Right-wing and center-Left blocs.  But for A-IV it does not break them out so I assumed they ran as one party.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Neo-fascists win the honor of presiding over a possibly catastrophic economic crisis. As someone who enjoys drinking out of poisoned chalices, I am very envious!  

That's nothing to celebrate. Fascists are masters in exploiting crises to consolidate power.

Maybe I do not fully understand post-fascism in Italy but the other right-wing populists Italy has had experience with were bumbling fools. If you had to select the ideal time for these people to be in power, it would be now, so I think it's worth taking some heart in that instead of crapping one's drawers and living in fear. Overall, I am tired of impotence on the left, where every election result is an existential crisis.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Yeah yeah, I know everyone hates me. But I thought I'd post another update since Facismo is under 50% and we have 500 sezionis declared.

SENATE:

503/60,399

RIGHT: 55,384 (48.44%)
LEFT: 30,644 (26.80%)

HOUSE:

26/61,417

RIGHT: 994 (48.42%)
LEFT: 489 (23.82%)

[Andrea]

Updated La7 projection

Coalition
Right 43.8%
PD and allies 25.8%
M5S 16.6
Calenda/Renzi 7.8

FdI 26
Lega 8.7
Forza Italia 8.2
Noi moderati 0.9

PD 18.3
Green Left 3.7
+Europe 3.1
Di Maio 0.8

[Logical]

RAI Senate projection

[DavidB.]

I expected Lega to tank and am not that surprised about PD underperforming either, but M5S' result is the surprise of the night. No idea what their appeal still is, after 100,000 U turns, but I reckon they did well in Southern Italy with voters who oppose basically everybody and everything but aren't sold on FdI either, which I guess was always a possibility.

A Lega underperformance (single digits) would probably strengthen FdI's position within the coalition, also symbolically.

[jaichind]

I expected Lega to tank and am not that surprised about PD underperforming either, but M5S' result is the surprise of the night. No idea what their appeal still is, after 100,000 U turns, but I reckon they did well in Southern Italy with voters who oppose basically everybody and everything but aren't sold on FdI either, which I guess was always a possibility.

I did think ahead of time it was a distinct possibility.

Will be interesting to see if M5S outperforms pre-election polls for the third general election in a row.

[DavidB.]

Congrats 👍🏻

[jaichind]

I wonder if the large gap between FdI and Lega could create tensions leading Lega to become a disruptive force in the new right-wing government in order to claw back its old support base.

[jaichind]

The count so far has a Northern bias.  If so then Lega is doomed to be below 10% and PD is doomed to be below 20%.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

500,000 votes counted

SENATE:

1,730/60,399

RIGHT: 243,965 (47.59%)
LEFT: 138,372 (26.99%)
M5S: 60,371 (11.78%)

HOUSE:

173/61,417

RIGHT: 11,647 (47.47%)
LEFT: 6,290 (25.64%)
M5S: 2,858 (11.65%)

[Oryxslayer]

The count so far has a Northern bias.  If so then Lega is doomed to be below 10% and PD is doomed to be below 20%.

PD are currently losing all but the Florence Senate seat in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna. The Senate is the faster count. So either the cities with more votes and more PD votes are going slow (likely given nothing from Rome and Milan so far), PD will perform worse than expected, or a bit of both.

[Antonio the Sixth]

La7 projects 105-125 seats for the right in the Senate. That's a pretty wide range so it's really not much of a prediction.