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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1550 on: September 25, 2022, 04:40:50 PM »
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 25, 2022, 04:32:03 PM
Neo-fascists win the honor of presiding over a possibly catastrophic economic crisis. As someone who enjoys drinking out of poisoned chalices, I am very envious! 

That's nothing to celebrate. Fascists are masters in exploiting crises to consolidate power.
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« Reply #1551 on: September 25, 2022, 04:42:41 PM »
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 25, 2022, 04:32:03 PM
Neo-fascists win the honor of presiding over a possibly catastrophic economic crisis. As someone who enjoys drinking out of poisoned chalices, I am very envious! 

One must consider how fortunate Mohamed Atta was to avoid the wave of Islamophobia in fall of 2001.
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« Reply #1552 on: September 25, 2022, 04:45:34 PM »
What is Estero?
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« Reply #1553 on: September 25, 2022, 04:45:35 PM »
La7 guy now saying Lega is trending further down from its original estimate.
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« Reply #1554 on: September 25, 2022, 04:46:12 PM »
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 25, 2022, 04:32:03 PM
Neo-fascists win the honor of presiding over a possibly catastrophic economic crisis. As someone who enjoys drinking out of poisoned chalices, I am very envious!  

I would never assume anything will be a poisoned chalice in Italy, or more precisely I would never assume the main opposition at any given time will stand to really gain from the poisoned chalice (this may just be due to our technocratic government mania folding over the differences, but it's still there).
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« Reply #1555 on: September 25, 2022, 04:46:46 PM »
« Edited: September 25, 2022, 04:50:48 PM by Oryxslayer »

Others. Almost certainly the German regionalist party in Trentino/Sudtirol.

Edit: I thought you were referring to Altri.
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« Reply #1556 on: September 25, 2022, 04:47:02 PM »

I think abroad
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« Reply #1557 on: September 25, 2022, 04:47:16 PM »

Estero means "Abroad", which is a separate constituency.
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« Reply #1558 on: September 25, 2022, 04:47:38 PM »
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Others. Almost certainly the German regionalist party in Trentino/Sudtirol.

No, estero means "abroad". They're probably referring to parties like MAIE and USEI.
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« Reply #1559 on: September 25, 2022, 04:48:11 PM »
SENATE:

18/60,399

RIGHT: 633 (58.13%)
LEFT: 252 (23.14%)

HOUSE:

1/61,417

LEFT: 26 (52.00%)
RIGHT: 12 (24.00%)
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« Reply #1560 on: September 25, 2022, 04:49:39 PM »

Gotcha. In Spanish it means estuary or lagoon. False friends failed me.
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« Reply #1561 on: September 25, 2022, 04:49:47 PM »

Interesting the first precinct (poll? circumscription? commune?) on the official site is a PD lead one from Reggio Emilia.
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« Reply #1562 on: September 25, 2022, 04:53:31 PM »
Italians--congratulations on your first female and weeb PM.

While I understand the neo-fascist (and just fascist) origins of the FdI, I've heard multiple takes among Anglo media that Meloni herself is more in the Thatcher mode than the Le Pen mode. Any truth to that?
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« Reply #1563 on: September 25, 2022, 04:54:37 PM »
SENATE:

34/60,399

RIGHT: 2,109 (58.12%)
LEFT: 836 (23.04%)

HOUSE:

3/61,417

RIGHT: 103 (56.28%)
LEFT: 41 (22.40%)

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Interesting the first precinct (poll? circumscription? commune?) on the official site is a PD lead one from Reggio Emilia.

Sezioni, which is plural of 'divided/fraction' methinks.
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« Reply #1564 on: September 25, 2022, 04:55:19 PM »

STOP THE COUNT!!
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« Reply #1565 on: September 25, 2022, 04:56:10 PM »
Sezioni are precincts. Small municipalities have just one precinct each, while the bigger ones like Rome and Milan have many.
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« Reply #1566 on: September 25, 2022, 05:00:11 PM »
Quote from: NUPES Enjoyer on September 25, 2022, 04:40:50 PM
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on September 25, 2022, 04:32:03 PM
Neo-fascists win the honor of presiding over a possibly catastrophic economic crisis. As someone who enjoys drinking out of poisoned chalices, I am very envious! 

That's nothing to celebrate. Fascists are masters in exploiting crises to consolidate power.

Does Italy have any emergency powers clause Meloni could invoke?
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« Reply #1567 on: September 25, 2022, 05:00:45 PM »
SENATE:

73/60,399

RIGHT: 4,941 (54.06%)
LEFT: 2,152 (23.55%)

HOUSE:

6/61,417

RIGHT: 231 (51.33%)
LEFT: 106 (23.56%)
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« Reply #1568 on: September 25, 2022, 05:01:42 PM »
Is Meloni anti Russia
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« Reply #1569 on: September 25, 2022, 05:04:46 PM »
La7 projections based on first counting

Coalition
Right 43.3%
PD and allies 25.4%
M5S 17
Calenda/Renzi 7.9

FdI 26
Lega 8.4
Forza Italia 7.0
Noi moderati 1

PD 18.1
Green Left 3.6
+Europe 3.1
Di Maio 0.6

M5S 167

Renzi-Calenda 7.9
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« Reply #1570 on: September 25, 2022, 05:05:01 PM »
1st senate projection from SWG:

Conservative Alliance: 43.3%
Center-Left Alliance: 25.4%
M5S: 17%
A-IV: 7.9%
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« Reply #1571 on: September 25, 2022, 05:05:43 PM »

Yes.  I think Russia policy is an area she will be different from her allies.
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« Reply #1572 on: September 25, 2022, 05:05:51 PM »
« Edited: September 25, 2022, 05:09:29 PM by Oryxslayer »

Much more than Salvini and Berlusconi. Arguably a feature of leading a 'young' party that had few former politicians, so policy planks could be easily shifted. Comparatively, Salvini pre-Invasion was openly Pro-Russian system (the image of him in a Putin shirt is a classic one) and Berlusconi has a history with Putin from his days as PM, a history that may have prompted the recent comments on "the leadership in Kyiv."
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« Reply #1573 on: September 25, 2022, 05:06:36 PM »
SENATE:

149/60,399

RIGHT: 31,111 (51.01%)
LEFT: 6,023 (23.43%)

HOUSE:

6/61,417

RIGHT: 231 (51.33%)
LEFT: 106 (23.56%)
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« Reply #1574 on: September 25, 2022, 05:08:23 PM »
Absolutely terrible results for both Lega and PD. Absolutely wild for M5S given the circumstances.
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