Immigration Roll Call

[Flying Dog]

close the borders

[ian]

Undecided as of right now, but lean towards supporting more restrictions on immigration.

[A18]

All the people here who have said they want to, in effect, get rid of immigration, are hypocrites. You wouldn't be here without the immigration of your European ancestors.

How does that make them hypocritical?

If such a law had been passed in 1900, or 1800, or whenever, many Americans today would have been denied the oppurtunities they have been given because of free immigration. If we make immigration illegal now, we deny others the oppurtunity that we have been given.

That has nothing to do with hypocrisy. In any case, if we let them in, the country won't be worth anything.

[Emsworth]

I support a six month halt to immigration starting now, a national ID issued to those citizens of this country with random sweeps of homes and deportation if you cannot prove citizenship, and a full lockdown of both borders except for designated control points with an armed citizen militia on patrol with shoot to kill orders.

I hope you don't mean that even the legal immigrants should be deported.

[A18]

I think he meant legal residency.

[nini2287]

Loosen immigration laws and strengthen illegal immigration laws.

[KillerPollo]

Loosen immigration laws and strengthen illegal immigration laws.

By now, we might as well organize a North American Union (currently NAFTA). use a new currency that would replace the Dollar, C-Dollar, and Peso. and loosen all borders 100% We have to show these Euro clowns that we too can be as civilized as they are.

[Platypus]

uh, pollo, thats a really really bad idea for the Americans, and especially the canadians.

[KillerPollo]

uh, pollo, thats a really really bad idea for the Americans, and especially the canadians.

coming from a Person from an ISLAND as in BORDERLESS nation, I'd like to say that it wouldn't be much of a problem. Why would it do more harm to the cannucks?

[WalterMitty]

pro-immigration.  i favor open borders and amnesty.

[Jake]

Loosen immigration laws and strengthen illegal immigration laws.

By now, we might as well organize a North American Union (currently NAFTA). use a new currency that would replace the Dollar, C-Dollar, and Peso. and loosen all borders 100% We have to show these Euro clowns that we too can be as civilized as they are.

Difference is, all of the EU's nations are civilized. Never mix productive nations (US and Canada) with hell holes (Mexico and the rest). We don't need your shiit economy or your unwashed masses.

[© tweed]

Wrong, as I explained in the previous post I support halting immigration until we can ascertain citizenship and distribute ID cards. When that process is finished, we can begin allowing legal immigration again.

Now that I re-read your post, I saw that you said 6 months. (sorry)

Philip responded with 6 decades.

[Max Power]

I support open borders and loosening all immigration laws.  I also favor amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US.

^^^^^

[Platypus]

uh, pollo, thats a really really bad idea for the Americans, and especially the canadians.

coming from a Person from an ISLAND as in BORDERLESS nation, I'd like to say that it wouldn't be much of a problem. Why would it do more harm to the cannucks?

An island with more overseas-born people then any nation on earth except Israel

It'd hurt both the US and Canucks, especially Canada though because unlike the US, their economy does not have a need for large amounts of low-wage workers, and couldn't sustain them. It'd be fine to a point, but that point would almost certainly be crossed at some stage.

[opebo]

I support open borders and loosening all immigration laws.  I also favor amnesty for illegal immigrants in the US.

^^^^^

[KillerPollo]

Difference is, all of the EU's nations are civilized. Never mix productive nations (US and Canada) with hell holes (Mexico and the rest). We don't need your shiit economy or your unwashed masses.

We're not in the fukcing Middle Ages, you ignorant fool!
Haven't you read some of Ag's posts?
And what do you mean with "the rest" Is Japan a hellhole? Is Russia a hellhole? Is China, Pakistan or India a hellhole?

And what do you mean "unwashed"? The filthy feces-craving French are more unwashed than we are, and their women do not shave their fukcing armpits.

[Jake]

None of those nations mentioned are in North America dumbass.

[KillerPollo]

None of those nations mentioned are in North America dumbass.

Ok so... Why do you blatantly insult the honour of my Motherland with such malicious comments?
I suggest you take the smart course of action, and read some books (that are not American-biased). Go to Mexico and see for yourself that we're no hellhole like Nicaragua, or Salvador. We're much more closely related to Argentina than the US is to Canada.
I believe that it is YOU whose mentality is still in the Middle Ages.

Also... read this below. It's pretty accurate.

Mexico is in general a very disorganized country - it has a propensity to look like a dump even in fairly wealthy areas (the prosperity is frequently hidden in sidestreets).  That's cultural. I know many wealthy places that look like slums until you penetrate them deeper. It is part of the "national character", I guess.  It is also consequence of very fast population growth during the 20th century - things got developed faster than they could call up city planners, architects, or even simply paint the walls.

But it is not true that Mexico City, for one, is so dangerous you can't get out of your car. The city was very safe before the 1995 crisis - at that point the crime rates have skyrocketed, making many long-term residents scared. But it is all relative: the murder rate in the City is where it was in NYC in the early 1990s - bad, but not so bad you can't walk the street. The locals are more scared than those of us who'd been to NY in 1993 are.  The very rich (those who'd be very rich even in the US) do tend to hide in gated communities these days, but the millions of middle-class residents do nothing of the kind. There are many neighborhoods where sreet and cafe life is in full swing till well past midnight daily (I myself have been out that late many times and I am visibly foreign from 2 miles away). Kidnappings have become a problem and one has to be careful with cabs - but it is not like one is scared daily to get out. And there are many provincial cities (away from the borders and their drug wars) that are outright safe. 

This guy knows what he's talking ab00t!

[opebo]

Never mix productive nations (US and Canada) with hell holes (Mexico and the rest). We don't need your shiit economy or your unwashed masses.

Hmm.  Do you ever go out and actually look at Americans? 

[A18]

We're talking about the majority, opebo. Not human trash like yourself.

[Storebought]

US state militia patrols of the US-Mexican border would be a good start, but not feasible in the long term. Besides fences/gates/walls, I don't know a good means to stop the border jumpers, but, in any case, illegal immigration through the southern border is an outrage against American sovereignty.

As for legal immigration, I favor limiting that as well, but not to the extent of elimination.

[Emsworth]

I am strongly opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens (calling them "immigrants" is perhaps an injustice to those who are here legally). I see no reason to undermine the law by condoning these criminals.

I am fully in favor of a guest worker program, and an expansion of employment-based immigration.

[KillerPollo]

US state militia patrols of the US-Mexican border would be a good start, but not feasible in the long term. Besides fences/gates/walls, I don't know a good means to stop the border jumpers, but, in any case, illegal immigration through the southern border is an outrage against American sovereignty.

As for legal immigration, I favor limiting that as well, but not to the extent of elimination.

And what about Canada? If you focus your attention in one place, you'll have a blind spot on another.

[Jake]

Except Canada's citizens don't illegally hop the border to the tune of hundreds of thousands a year.

[muon2]

One point of confusion is the use of the phrase "illegal alien". If I am not mistaken, there really is no such thing in the US. There is an "undocumented alien", which I suspect is what most people mean when they say illegal. The problem is that under law the lack of documentation may or may not brak the law.  Calling an alien "illegal" prejudges the case.

For instance, an undocumented alien may claim asylum, prove the claim, and be presented with documentation. Yet, that person was indeed undocumented upon arrival in the US. There are other categories whereby a person may lack documentation, yet be or become legal. Discussion of guest workers, or something similar, adds another such category.

This is also different than border enforcement. At the border there are no aliens, since those persons seeking entry aren't actually in the country yet. Once inside the border those people become aliens and border enforcers must determine how the alien arrived and whether or not there is documentation, or the potential for documentation. Near a border that task is generally easier than in locations far from the border where there is no evidence for the means of entry.