Bernie tries to honor MLK, trashes Obama instead

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Actual quotes from Bernie (Ignoring the misinformation campaign of idiots like Landslide) -

“The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure,” “Now what happened — people sometimes don’t see that because of the charismatic individual named Barack Obama who won the presidency in 2008 and 2012. He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant man,” “But behind that reality, over the last 10 years Democrats have lost about 1,000 seats in state legislatures all across this country."

Facts don't matter to the 3rd way establishment.

[DrScholl]

Whichever party is in control loses a lot of seats and that was not exclusive to Obama despite what Sanders Christ Superstar implies. Obama spent just about all political capital on health care when he had a majority in Congress and after that majority was gone there wasn't much left he could do, but he did do something besides be charismatic. There is no model that is going to keep Democrats in power indefinitely because that is not how the electorate works.

[McGovernForPrez]

Is anyone actually talking about this outside of Politics Twitter and the like? Not even a rhetorical question, either.

Eh, now that there's the headline of "Sanders Aide accuses black politician of race baiting" it might stick.

OTOH maybe this is the thing that will finally bring down Jeff.

I hope so, Weaver is a shady character.

[Rookie Yinzer]

The funny thing about the posturing in this thread is that Sanders would have been radioactive* for downballot Dems if he got in office.

*His primary opponent would have been too. So Dems were screwed either way.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

If anything Bernie didn't go far enough. Yes the economy improved under Obama but the continuing income inequality left a lot of Americans behind. They were so desperate that they voted for Trump. Bakari Sellers is a CNN tool, plain and simple.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Is anyone actually talking about this outside of Politics Twitter and the like? Not even a rhetorical question, either.

Eh, now that there's the headline of "Sanders Aide accuses black politician of race baiting" it might stick.

OTOH maybe this is the thing that will finally bring down Jeff.

I hope so, Weaver is a shady character.

He's not shady, he's just an effing muppet. All ego, no brains, no discipline.

If anything Bernie didn't go far enough. Yes the economy improved under Obama but the continuing income inequality left a lot of Americans behind. They were so desperate that they voted for Trump. Bakari Sellers is a CNN tool, plain and simple.

Nah, he's trying to build a national profile to go after Clyburn's seat in 2020 or 2022. He's not a tool of CNN, he's just a nobody. Petty jealousy might also be at play, since the person that replaced him in the SC Legislature is a Bernie supporter.

[Mr. Smith]

Whichever party is in control loses a lot of seats and that was not exclusive to Obama despite what Sanders Christ Superstar implies. Obama spent just about all political capital on health care when he had a majority in Congress and after that majority was gone there wasn't much left he could do, but he did do something besides be charismatic. There is no model that is going to keep Democrats in power indefinitely because that is not how the electorate works.

But it didn't have to be so terrible either, especially not at the state-level.

There's a reason 2002 managed to actually be favorable, there's a reason 1998 was a stalemate in spite of the scandal, and it wasn't just because of Congress.

The funny thing about the posturing in this thread is that Sanders would have been radioactive* for downballot Dems if he got in office.

*His primary opponent would have been too. So Dems were screwed either way.

True, the best realistic outcome for 2016 was for Trump to win, and the GOP to hold Congress by less. Then Jones would've flipped it.

[Mr. Morden]

Morden, I meant to say you can't win the nomination with a plurality of delegates.

It depends on what you mean.  Like I said upthread, for the candidates who drop out of the race, their delegates become free agents once they drop out.  So if there are a couple of candidates who have ~5% of the delegates each, or something like that, then you end up with a decent # of delegates who are free agents by the time of the convention, even before you get to super delegates.  So if Sanders (or any other candidate) "only" wins ~45% of the pledged delegates in the primaries themselves, but is well ahead of whoever's in 2nd place in both delegates and votes, then it's hard to imagine there not being enough of those free agent delegates willing to join him in order to put him over the top and give him a majority.

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Well, it would help him in any state where he's getting above 15% of the vote, but other candidates aren't.  So in a Southern state, for example, if he's at 25% of the vote and well behind, say Biden, but there are a couple of other candidates getting 10% each and no delegates, then he's still getting more delegates out of that state than he would in a two person race if it were 75%-25%.  Basically, as long as it's the 2016 Clinton vote which is being more splintered among more candidates than the 2016 Sanders vote is, he'll benefit.

I'm not saying it's actually going to work out for him like that.  I don't think he's anywhere close to being >50% likely to be the nominee.  But I do think he's got a better chance than anyone else, as things stand right now.

[IndustrialJustice]

And like really, what else is he gonna do? What would his core constituency among black regular democratic primary voters in the South be? He's not gonna get a hearing from Bakari Sellers-esque business progressives, he's not gonna get a hearing from the old CRM crowd that has since yielded to the practicalities of politics, &c. His only real, practical choice is an end-run.

Black supporters of Bernie Sanders:

Nina Turner: was begging for the Clintons endorsement in 2014, then trashed them as the destroyers of the Democratic party two years later. Endorsed for governor of Ohio a Trump apologist, conspiracy theorist, Fox News Democrat.

Cornell West: called Obama an "Uncle Tom", praised Trump as "authentic human being", voted in the general for Russian plant Jill Stein.

Killer Mike: NRA mouthpiece that went on NRA TV and attacked Parkland kids the day they marched for their lives.

You really have no shame.

[Crumpets]

Oh hey, I agree with Bernie. The thing I'm curious about is where he got that "15 years" number, and didn't go back through the Clinton years. Does Bernie think we were at least headed in the right direction in the 90s and it was the Iraq War that put us on the perilous Obama path?

[YE]

Oh hey, I agree with Bernie. The thing I'm curious about is where he got that "15 years" number, and didn't go back through the Clinton years. Does Bernie think we were at least headed in the right direction in the 90s and it was the Iraq War that put us on the perilous Obama path?

Maybe he was referring to when the DCCC started making collages pay dues to sit on committees? Honestly the Democratic party was still in ok shape in the 1990s and still won senate races regularly in the upper plains and locally controlled much of the south. Though if you ask me, the Democrats started going downhill in 1980 when they got caught up in trying to raise the most amount of money possible.