Camelot Anew, Chapter Three: The Downeast Democrat

[Cold War Liberal]

Can anyone imagine Bobby not wholeheartedly endorsing his brother?

I needed to make Ted lose somehow.

It makes sense to me. RFK wanted to be neutral in order to allow a proper process in the Dem primary and so that people don't claim the Kennedys are entitled and get what they want thanks to their family.

Yeah an endorsement could backfire due to allegations of favoritism or possibly nepotism (is it still considered nepotism if RFK isn't actually giving EMK a job based on their being related?)

[MAINEiac4434]

Can anyone imagine Bobby not wholeheartedly endorsing his brother?

I needed to make Ted lose somehow.

It makes sense to me. RFK wanted to be neutral in order to allow a proper process in the Dem primary and so that people don't claim the Kennedys are entitled and get what they want thanks to their family.

Yeah an endorsement could backfire due to allegations of favoritism or possibly nepotism (is it still considered nepotism if RFK isn't actually giving EMK a job based on their being related?)

Especially considering how he got his job as Attorney General in the first place. He had to work hard to shake off those allegations.

[MAINEiac4434]

"When did I know my candidacy was scaring Reagan? When I saw an attack ad against me in December of '79 while I was watching Rudolf with the grandkids."

Mark Hatfield wants you to think he's just another Republican. That he represents the base of the party. But he's dead wrong. Hatfield is a west coast liberal who wants to raise taxes, increase the size of government and make America step back from the global stage. Vote and caucus for Ronald Reagan. There's too much at stake.

"I enjoyed the hell out of it because we had him on the ropes! We had him running!"

[Sestak]

lol.

Willing to bet that in November, Hatfield is covertly voting for Muskie.

[MAINEiac4434]

"The original plan was to completely ignore Hatfield, which I didn't like, of course. But polling had him within 10 in Iowa -- and Hatfield was spending so much damn time in Iowa you'd think he was their third Senator. Sears, that [expletive] moron, wanted the President not to campaign in the primaries. It wasn't 'Presidential'. Nothing about running for President of the United [expletive] States is Presidential!"

"While Hatfield was chopping Reagan at the knees, the Democratic electorate was totally divided. Brown was picking up a lot of students. Carter had the southerners. And Ed and Ted were splitting the rest of them -- both were trying to play up the Heir of Bobby thing. Ted had the last name and the looks, but Ed was Secretary of State for four years."

Poll of Registered Democrats in Iowa, December 29, 1979
Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy - 30.7
Former Secretary of State Edmund S. Muskie - 28.9
California Governor Jerry Brown - 22.3
Former Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter - 16.6
Undecided: 1.5

"A lot of people were in camps very quickly. Undecideds were microscopic, especially in the early states. The debates were our chance to win over Kennedy and Brown voters."

[Duke of York]

How i wish this was our reality.

[Thomas]

Is anyone challenging Reagan for the Republican nomination like Kennedy challenged Carter in 1980?

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Is anyone challenging Reagan for the Republican nomination like Kennedy challenged Carter in 1980?

Hatfield. That's what all those Hatfield posts are about.

[Thomas]

Where's the update?

[MAINEiac4434]

Where's the update?

End of the semester, probably not until May

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Where's the update?

End of the semester, probably not until May

Good luck in school!!

[MAINEiac4434]

Where's the update?

End of the semester, probably not until May

Good luck in school!!

Thanks. I have a term paper on the role of social media in the 2016 election for one class and a term paper on homelessness in the city of Portland (which I'm interviewing the mayor, a state legislator, some city councillors) in another. It'll be a drag.

[Pragmatist_TNAG]

This timeline is beautiful (especially the Kennedy administration), one of my favorites

[MAINEiac4434]

This timeline is beautiful (especially the Kennedy administration), one of my favorites

Wow, thanks!

[Cold War Liberal]

This timeline is beautiful (especially the Kennedy administration), one of my favorites

[MAINEiac4434]

Part II: Removed

"If Reagan knew, that's grounds for impeachment. If he didn't know, he's not smart enough to be President in the first place."

[MAINEiac4434]

"And at that time, we were struggling to find a potential running mate for President Reagan. We knew Hatfield was surging, but we didn't think he'd actually beat us to the nomination. But no one wanted to join Reagan on the ticket."

[MAINEiac4434]

Excerpts from recorded private calls with potential Reagan running mates:

[MAINEiac4434]

97th United States Senate

Alabama: Donald Stewart (elected 1974)
Alabama: Howell Heflin (elected 1978)
Alaska: Mike Gravel (elected 1974)
Alaska: Ted Stevens (elected 1978)
Arkansas: David Pryor (elected 1978)
Arkansas: Dale Bumpers (elected 1974)
Arizona: Barry Goldwater (elected 1974)
Arizona: Dennis DeConcini (elected 1976)
California: Cesar Chavez (elected 1976)
California: Alan Cranston (elected 1974)
Colorado: Gary Hart (elected 1974)
Colorado: Floyd K. Haskell (elected 1978)
Connecticut: Abe Ribicoff (elected 1974)
Connecticut: Lowell Weicker (elected 1976)
Delaware: Bill Roth (elected 1976)
Delaware: Joe Biden (elected 1978)
Florida: LeRoy Collins (elected 1974)
Florida: Lawton Chiles (elected 1976)
Georgia: Herman Talmadge (elected 1974)
Georgia: Sam Nunn (elected 1978)
Hawaii: Daniel Inouye (elected 1974)
Hawaii: Spark Matsunaga (elected 1978)
Idaho: Frank Church (elected 1974)
Idaho: Jim McClure (elected 1978)
Illinois: Adlai Stevenson (elected 1974)
Illinois: Alex Seith (elected 1978)
Indiana: Ray Madden (elected 1974)
Indiana: Richard Lugar (elected 1976)
Iowa: Dave Stanley (elected 1974)
Iowa: Dick Clark (elected 1978)
Kansas: Bob Dole (elected 1974)
Kansas: Nancy Landon Kassebaum (elected 1978)
Kentucky: Wendell Ford (elected 1974)
Kentucky: Walter Huddleston (elected 1978)
Louisiana: J. Bennett Johnston (elected 1978)
Louisiana: Russell Long (elected 1974)
Maine: William Cohen (elected 1978)
Maine: George Mitchell (elected 1976)
Maryland: Paul Sarbanes (elected 1976)
Maryland: Charles Mathias (elected 1974)
Massachusetts: Ted Kennedy (elected 1976)
Massachusetts: Paul Tsongas (elected 1978)
Michigan: Don Riegle (elected 1976)
Michigan: Robert Griffin (elected 1978)
Minnesota: Walter Mondale (elected 1978)
Minnesota: Muriel Humphrey (nominated and elected 1978, up for reelection in 1982)
Mississippi: John C. Stennis (elected 1976)
Mississippi: Thad Cochran (elected 1978)
Missouri: Tom Eagleton (elected 1974)
Missouri: John Danforth (elected 1976)
Montana: John Melcher (elected 1976)
Montana: Max Baucus (elected 1978)
Nebraska: J. James Exon (elected 1978)
Nebraska: Edward Zorinsky (elected 1976)
Nevada: Howard Cannon (elected 1976)
Nevada: Paul Laxalt (elected 1974)
New Hampshire: John A. Durkin (elected 1974)
New Hampshire: Thomas McIntyre (elected 1978)
New Jersey: Bill Bradley (elected 1978)
New Jersey: Harrison Williams (elected 1976)
New Mexico: Joseph Montoya (elected 1976)
New Mexico: Pete Domenici (elected 1978)
New York: Daniel Patrick Moynihan (elected 1976)
New York: Jack Javits (elected 1974)
North Carolina: William E. Stevens (elected 1974)
North Carolina: Nick Galifianakis (elected 1978)
North Dakota: Milton Young (elected 1974)
North Dakota: Quentin Burdick (elected 1976)
Ohio: John Glenn (elected 1974)
Ohio: Howard Metzenbaum (elected 1976)
Oklahoma: David Boren (elected 1978)
Oklahoma: Henry Bellmon (elected 1974)
Oregon: Bob Packwood (elected 1974)
Oregon: Mark O. Hatfield (elected 1978)
Pennsylvania: Richard Schweiker (elected 1974)
Pennsylvania: H. John Heinz III (elected 1976)
Rhode Island: John Chafee (elected 1976)
Rhode Island: Clay Pell (elected 1978)
South Carolina: Ernest Hollings (elected 1974)
South Carolina: Strom Thurmond (elected 1978)
South Dakota: George McGovern (elected 1974)
South Dakota: James Abourzek (elected 1978)
Tennessee: Jim Sasser (elected 1976)
Tennessee: Howard Baker (elected 1978)
Texas: Bob Krueger (elected 1978)
Texas: Lloyd Bentsen (elected 1976)
Utah: Jake Garn (elected 1974)
Utah: Orrin Hatch (elected 1976)
Vermont: Patrick Leahy (elected 1974)
Vermont: Robert Stafford (elected 1976)
Virginia: John Warner (elected 1978)
Virginia: Harry Byrd (elected 1976)
Washington: Warren Magnuson (elected 1974)
Washington: Scoop Jackson (elected 1976)
West Virginia: Jennings Randolph (elected 1978)
West Virginia: Robert Byrd (elected 1976)
Wisconsin: Gaylord Nelson (elected 1974)
Wisconsin: William Proxmire (elected 1976)
Wyoming: Malcolm Wallop (elected 1976)
Wyoming: Alan K. Simpson (elected 1978)

Governors, 1979

Alabama: Fob James
Alaska: Jay Hammond
Arizona: Bruce Babbitt
Arkansas: Joe Woodward
California: Jerry Brown
Colorado: Dick Lamm
Connecticut: Ella T. Grasso
Delaware: Pete Du Pont
Florida: Bob Graham
Georgia: Zell Miller
Hawaii: Randolph Crossley
Idaho: Cecil Andrus
Illinois: James Thompson
Indiana: Matthew Empson Walsh
Iowa: Robert Ray
Missouri: Joseph Teasdale
Kansas: John Carlin
Kentucky: Julian Carron
Louisiana: Edwin Edwards
Maine: Joe Brennan
Maryland: Harry Hughes
Massachusetts: Michael Dukakis
Michigan: William Milliken
Minnesota: Al Quie
Mississippi: Cliff Finch
Montana: Thomas Lee Judge
Nebraska: Charles Throne
Nevada: Bob List
New Hampshire: Hugh Gallen
New Jersey: Brendan Byrne
New Mexico: Bruce King
New York: Mario Cuomo
North Carolina: Jim Hunt
North Dakota: Arthur Link
Ohio: Jim Rhodes
Oklahoma: George Nigh
Oregon: Roger Straub
Pennsylvania: Dick Thornburgh
Rhode Island: John Garrahy
South Carolina: Richard Riley
South Dakota: Bill Janklow
Tennessee: Lamar Alexander
Texas: Mark White
Utah: Scott Matheson
Vermont: Richard Snelling
Virginia: Henry Howell
Washington: Dixy Lee Ray
West Virginia: Jay Rockefeller
Wisconsin: Patrick Lucey
Wyoming: Edgar Herschler

[Robert California]

Thad! I’ll be interested to see both primary maps.

[MAINEiac4434]

Thad! I’ll be interested to see both primary maps.

In due time, my friend.

[MAINEiac4434]

Part III: Debate Night '79

"Teddy and Carter both didn't want to attack him on the trip, because Brown was highly thought-of among the liberal base. He had Jesse Jackson's endorsement, for example. But when I brought it up, Ed sat bolt upright in his chair, and he said three words: 'let's hit him.'"

[MAINEiac4434]

Listen, I went on a little vacation. I don't know what the big deal is. Lots of people go on vacation, I went with my girlfriend. We had a wonderful time. If I'm going to be President, I'm not going to be able to go on vacation, because we have a lot of things we need to work on in Washington.

"Governor, you can joke about this if you like. But the people of this country need a President whose first priority is the life and livelihoods of Americans. During your vacation, I met with dozens of Americans, who are struggling. Their sons are in Iran for reasons we don't understand. Their children are in crumbling schools. They're afraid that the water coming from their faucets is poisonous, they're afraid the air is toxic, they're afraid that their government is more concerned about the wealthy than the middle class. And you know what? They should be afraid. I'm running so that they may not be afraid any more."

"We hit the jackpot."

[MAINEiac4434]

Is anyone still reading this lol

[OBD]

Ja. Want more 2032 though.