AZ-08: April 24 general election (Update: Lesko-R wins by 4.72 points)
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« Reply #125 on: April 16, 2018, 10:04:11 AM »

In the Emerson poll, Trent Franks has a 24% approval rating and Trump’s own approval rating is only 44%

Tipirneni is very popular in the district, 49/29 favourability. Lesko’s favourability is only 43/45. Immigration, education, and healthcare are all about 1/3 in terms of importance to voters, and Democrats are winning on education and healthcare by strong margins. Tipirneni is a star candidate, it’s too bad national Democrats couldn’t see that until this late into the race.

I just can't with polling. There is no one universe where this poll and the Post/ABC poll are both accurate.

The district is special though. The resigning incumbent is very unpopular and had a weird sex scandal, the Republican candidate is tied to the incumbent and has her own issues with regards to education and her own election finance fraud scandal, while Democrats are running a strong candidate with strong cross-over appeal to Republicans. She’s been running as a moderate, common sense candidate, focusing on social security, healthcare, and education.

Yeah but how do you explain Trump at 44% approval in a district he won by 21? His approval is 40% nationally

Wasn’t Trump’s approval only slight higher in Alabama than in the rest of the country in the special election?

He got 58% of the vote in AZ-08, a 14% decline isn’t that spectacular with turnout differentials and seniors worrying about their healthcare.
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« Reply #126 on: April 16, 2018, 10:06:08 AM »

In the Emerson poll, Trent Franks has a 24% approval rating and Trump’s own approval rating is only 44%

Tipirneni is very popular in the district, 49/29 favourability. Lesko’s favourability is only 43/45. Immigration, education, and healthcare are all about 1/3 in terms of importance to voters, and Democrats are winning on education and healthcare by strong margins. Tipirneni is a star candidate, it’s too bad national Democrats couldn’t see that until this late into the race.

I just can't with polling. There is no one universe where this poll and the Post/ABC poll are both accurate.

The district is special though. The resigning incumbent is very unpopular and had a weird sex scandal, the Republican candidate is tied to the incumbent and has her own issues with regards to education and her own election finance fraud scandal, while Democrats are running a strong candidate with strong cross-over appeal to Republicans. She’s been running as a moderate, common sense candidate, focusing on social security, healthcare, and education.

Yeah but how do you explain Trump at 44% approval in a district he won by 21? His approval is 40% nationally

Wasn’t Trump’s approval only slight higher in Alabama than in the rest of the country in the special election?

He got 58% of the vote in AZ-08, a 14% decline isn’t that spectacular with turnout differentials and seniors worrying about their healthcare.

1) Trump's approvals were lower in December
2) For very obvious reasons, the republican being a pedophile reduced republican turnout
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« Reply #127 on: April 16, 2018, 10:09:25 AM »

The numbers are not there for a Democrat to win this district. Whatever poll number Emerson craps out.

That said, the numbers weren't there in PA-18, either, unless you looked at 2008 or earlier.

And yet PA-18 is not as Republican as this district.
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« Reply #128 on: April 16, 2018, 10:47:02 AM »

Emerson poll sample is +20 Trump in 2016 and 40% republican 35% independent 25% dem
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« Reply #129 on: April 16, 2018, 11:00:31 AM »

Color me skeptical, but I won't be surprised if the Republican wins by double digits here.
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« Reply #130 on: April 16, 2018, 11:01:54 AM »

Emerson: 46-45 Lesko



I know it's Emerson, but yikes...

Actually it's Tiperneni (sp?) who's ahead by 46-45.
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« Reply #131 on: April 16, 2018, 11:10:09 AM »

New poll:

Emerson College

45.8% Hiral Tipirneni (D)
45.4% Debbie Lesko (R)
  3.6% Others
  5.3% Undecided

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« Reply #132 on: April 16, 2018, 11:14:56 AM »

I'm not ready to say this one will flip but I do think it will be much closer than expected.
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« Reply #133 on: April 16, 2018, 11:18:18 AM »

I still think Lesko wins by 8-10% (which would still be a good result for the Democrats).
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« Reply #134 on: April 16, 2018, 11:20:16 AM »

Tipinerni voters don't seem to be as excited as they say they are given how old and republican votes have been so far

Also wow, education is important for 1/3 voters. Teacher strikes doing work
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« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2018, 11:21:05 AM »

It's unlikely that she's winning it, but if she does ... this is going to happen to Republicans in November:

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« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2018, 11:25:30 AM »

mentally moving this from safe R to likely R
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« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2018, 12:24:25 PM »

There are a number of reasons why I doubt this race is as close as that Emerson poll is showing. That being said, I hope they are right.
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« Reply #138 on: April 16, 2018, 12:28:29 PM »

Emerson poll probably a little off, but accurate enough imo.

Lean R ---> Tossup
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« Reply #139 on: April 16, 2018, 12:34:53 PM »

RNC dumping more money in here:

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« Reply #140 on: April 16, 2018, 12:38:15 PM »

I think it's important to note that the RNC isn't just burning money here - they're building up a ground game and email lists in a state that's going to have a competitive Senate seat (possibly two) and gubernatorial race in November.
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« Reply #141 on: April 16, 2018, 12:44:56 PM »

This race couldn't possibly be competitive. Is it really?? If so, Republicans are in deep manure.
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« Reply #142 on: April 16, 2018, 12:49:47 PM »

If these specials are any indication, we could see a bunch of random R+5-15 type of seats flip that no one saw coming.
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« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2018, 12:53:05 PM »

This race couldn't possibly be competitive. Is it really?? If so, Republicans are in deep manure.

It should've been apparent that Republicans were in deep manure after ___literally Alabama___ gave a Democrat a majority in a federal race. Welcome to the wave!
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« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2018, 12:56:58 PM »

This race couldn't possibly be competitive. Is it really?? If so, Republicans are in deep manure.

It should've been apparent that Republicans were in deep manure after ___literally Alabama___ gave a Democrat a majority in a federal race. Welcome to the wave!

[Maximum Atlas pedantry] Jones didn't quite get a majority.  He got 49.97%. Wink
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« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2018, 01:05:04 PM »

I think it's important to note that the RNC isn't just burning money here - they're building up a ground game and email lists in a state that's going to have a competitive Senate seat (possibly two) and gubernatorial race in November.

Oh, good point.
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« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2018, 01:44:51 PM »

I'm thinking lean R at this point. Lesko will probably win by about 5 or so.
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« Reply #147 on: April 16, 2018, 02:23:10 PM »

I'm thinking lean R at this point. Lesko will probably win by about 5 or so.

A reasonable prediction, and big picture a result I’d be very pleased with
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« Reply #148 on: April 16, 2018, 02:29:13 PM »

I'm not ready to say this one will flip but I do think it will be much closer than expected.

It's still think it's a long way to Tipirneni getting elected.
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« Reply #149 on: April 16, 2018, 03:23:41 PM »

Like I have been saying this entire time: be cautious about writing off this race. We did the same thing with Doug Jones and Conor Lamb.

I agree that Lesko is probably going to win in the end, but I think it's going to be closer than expected. Either way, the GOP should be panicking right now.
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