2016: Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) vs Former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
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« on: March 08, 2018, 04:44:39 PM »

Ted Cruz sweeps the Republican Primaries as a mainstream conservative after Donald Trump decides not to run.  Cruz decides to have Nikki Haley as his running mate.

Democratic Primaries go as they did in OTL.

Who wins?  Discuss with Maps.
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 06:18:09 PM »



Cruz has no appeal outside of solid atlas-blue states, so Hillary wins all the swing states.
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 07:35:47 PM »

Putin still hates Hillary, so despite not getting his favored candidate as the GOP nominee, he'll hold his nose and back Cruz.

Cruz wins all of the battleground/swing states except for New Hampshire and Michigan (Virginia doesn't count, as Clinton never really is in danger here). Cruz actually tries to win Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, picking Rob Portman as his running mate to do so, his conservatism is a good fit for Iowa, Obama not being on the ballot gives him North Carolina, and Putin has to physically order the meddling of actual ballots to ensure that Cruz wins Florida.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2018, 07:36:19 PM »



Cruz has no appeal outside of solid atlas-blue states, so Hillary wins all the swing states.
Except for GA and NC, apparently.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2018, 07:42:01 PM »



Cruz has no appeal outside of solid atlas-blue states, so Hillary wins all the swing states.
Except for GA and NC, apparently.

I don't consider GA or NC to be swing states.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2018, 10:59:56 PM »

Putin still hates Hillary, so despite not getting his favored candidate as the GOP nominee, he'll hold his nose and back Cruz.
I'm not sure about this, Cruz is still a big hawk.

Maybe he helps out his good friend Jill some more?
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2018, 11:02:08 PM »

What course of action would Putin see as messing up with the United States as much as is possible?
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2018, 11:14:36 PM »

What course of action would Putin see as messing up with the United States as much as is possible?

Putin really hates Hillary, because she "interfered" in Putin's "re" election as President of Russia in 2012. He would do anything to defeat her, and it's quite amazing he didn't order the FSB to kill her, honestly.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 11:23:08 PM »

What course of action would Putin see as messing up with the United States as much as is possible?

Putin really hates Hillary, because she "interfered" in Putin's "re" election as President of Russia in 2012. He would do anything to defeat her, and it's quite amazing he didn't order the FSB to kill her, honestly.
Putin's agenda is to cause chaos in the US. That is what he would hinge things on.
The more chaos there is in the US, the more he can go and point to America as a system that he thinks Russians shouldn't emulate. And the more unpalatable America's political system is to the Russia, the more Russians will stick with him.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2018, 02:24:19 AM »

See 2012 + NC.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2018, 06:38:15 PM »


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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2018, 09:08:30 PM »

What course of action would Putin see as messing up with the United States as much as is possible?

A country that doesn't have its affairs in order, especially if the country is NATO's largest power, is much less likely to push back against incursions into the Baltic States that a country that has its sh**t together.
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2018, 09:12:01 PM »

2012 - IA
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2018, 11:40:37 PM »
« Edited: March 16, 2018, 12:48:48 PM by supreme chancellor mitch mcconnell »

The race appears to be in a dead heat (slanted towards Clinton) until 1) the Wikileaks release in early October and 2) the Comey letter in late October. After that, things slide rapidly in Cruz's direction. Turnout decreases relative to 2012 as many independents find both major-party candidates to be unpalatable. Cruz carries Heck, Ayotte, and Glenn across the line, but Toomey is defeated in PA.



Cruz/Haley (R): 302 EV, 48.8% PV
Clinton/Kaine (D): 236 EV, 46.7% PV
Stein/Baraka (G): 0 EV, 3.1% PV

TURNOUT: 54.1% (-0.8%)
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2018, 11:03:22 PM »
« Edited: October 30, 2018, 07:24:02 PM by bagelman »



Clinton wins by far less than she should have thanks to issues that are her fault being reported by Comey and Wikileaks. 

http://www.270towin.com/maps/BRERv
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