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Question: What should the country of Macedonia (FYROM) be called?
#1
Republic of North Macedonia
 
#2
Republic of Upper Macedonia
 
#3
Republic of Vardar Macedonia
 
#4
Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)
 
#5
No change to the current name
 
#6
No name including the word "Macedonia"
 
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pilskonzept
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« on: March 01, 2018, 06:29:36 PM »

noelmaurer.typepad.com/aab/2008/03/sabidura-del-oc.html

Written ten years ago, and still spot on.

Gruevski has given Greece a lot of rhetorical (and also concrete, bronze and marble...) ammunition in the meantime, though...and Slavomacedonians', let alone Albanians', attachment to the name doesn't run all that deep. "[Something] 'Macedonia'" is going to work for both sides.
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pilskonzept
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 11:15:12 AM »

The Referendum Is On.

September 30. 50% turnout and 50% yes votes needed to pass.

The question is going to be -

"Are you in favor of EU and NATO membership by accepting the Agreement between the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of Greece?"

 - which may be less than exactly neutral. But frankly, VMRO deserves the rub.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2018, 11:27:07 AM »

I support the annexation of Greece, Turkey, as well as all the Middle East and Persia, into Greater Macedonia. Otherwise "North Macedonia" seems to be geographically accurate.

Congratulations, you have been elected new chairman of the VMRO.

Wow, it's a great honour Cheesy

Actually the goals of the VMRO are too modest. I was thinking about the reestablishment of the Macedonian Empire under Alexander the Great.

Too many Muslims on that territory for VMRO's taste, I'm afraid.
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pilskonzept
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 05:10:00 AM »

The referendum failed - 91% Yes on 37% turnout. While outdated voter rolls certainly played a role, turnout in ethnic Macedonian areas was much lower than usual, so the VMRO non-boycott ("we would not vote ourselves, but we will leave the decision up to you") was effective in the end.

Zaev and various EU officials are trying to spin this into a victory, and will attempt to pass the agreement in parliament alone - the referendum was technically non-binding - but this isn't going to fly.

Would make more sense for the EU to state that it fully respects the Greek borders of 1829.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2019, 06:05:52 AM »

The Greek parliament ratified (North) Macedonia's NATO accession protocol yesterday, 153-140.  The name change will thus come into effect on 15 February 2019.

Opposition New Democracy (ND) leader Mitsotakis announced he would "not forgo the right to veto MK's EU accession" - which probably means that the EU accession vote will have to be scheduled with any Greek elections in mind. It's not as if ND is particularly principled.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2019, 11:18:16 AM »

The Greek parliament ratified (North) Macedonia's NATO accession protocol yesterday, 153-140.  The name change will thus come into effect on 15 February 2019.

Opposition New Democracy (ND) leader Mitsotakis announced he would "not forgo the right to veto MK's EU accession" - which probably means that the EU accession vote will have to be scheduled with any Greek elections in mind. It's not as if ND is particularly principled.

new democracy are really putin's puppets

Not really. More like business partners on that one specific issue. (Being Putin's puppet is a temporary status, and the "traditional" Russia-friendly party in Greece used to be PASOK, not ND.)
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