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« on: February 14, 2018, 06:36:05 PM »

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Chickenhawk POS never had to do a day of military service in his life, because he was of age when military slavery was abolished.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2018, 06:43:16 PM »

Despicable.
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2018, 07:09:00 PM »

Does France anticipate some oncoming mass military conflict, or does he just want two years of legalized servitude out of youth for some easily labor?
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2018, 07:15:55 PM »

A good idea.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2018, 07:18:52 PM »

Amusing that this is what a Liberal government in France delivers.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2018, 08:16:03 PM »

Amusing that this is what a Liberal government in France delivers.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2018, 08:37:56 PM »

Amusing that this is what a Liberal government in France delivers.
Who has ever said that Macron is a liberal? he's a centrist.
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2018, 08:58:03 PM »

Amusing that this is what a Liberal government in France delivers.
Who has ever said that Macron is a liberal? he's a centrist.

He means ''liberal'' in the European sense, not the American sense.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2018, 09:04:59 PM »

I understand the appeal behind a universal service requirement, but to make the default setting serving in the military is dumb
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2018, 09:35:55 PM »

Yup. He sucks.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2018, 10:30:06 PM »

Please vote him out in 2022.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2018, 10:53:21 PM »

Disgusting.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2018, 02:23:24 AM »

As someone who lives in a country that has that: don't do this if you don't have to. Just don't.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2018, 04:17:27 AM »

Nothing is done yet.

The logistical and financial problems are enormous to restore a mandatory military service of 6 months.
- The military doesn't have the money to finance it
- They do not have enough men to supervise young people
- They do not have the barracks to house them

The Parliament is much more cautious about this idea, they are proposing a reinforcement of civic education in middle school, one week of service during the summer holidays at 16 years old, and regrouping all the current voluntary services.
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2018, 04:23:02 AM »

Nothing is done yet.

The logistical and financial problems are enormous to restore a mandatory military service of 6 months.
- The military doesn't have the money to finance it
- They do not have enough men to supervise young people
- They do not have the barracks to house them

The Parliament is much more cautious about this idea, they are proposing a reinforcement of civic education in middle school, one week of service during the summer holidays at 16 years old, and regrouping all the current voluntary services.

Compulsory service has its worth, sure. While in the rest of the western world college kids are... well, college kids, here university students are (more or less) grown-up adults with level heads. But it's just not worth it. A Militarized society isn't worth it, and forcing 16 year olds to give up a week of their summer holidays to suffer in the military definitely isn't a good idea. France should just not do it, as simple as that. You don't need that, you shouldn't make your people go through that.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2018, 05:29:11 AM »

As someone who lives in a country that has that: don't do this if you don't have to. Just don't.

Yes, I don't see France having to do this, as opposed to Israel.
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 06:12:00 AM »

As someone who lives in a country that has that: don't do this if you don't have to. Just don't.

Yes, I don't see France having to do this, as opposed to Israel.
Neither does Israel by the strict have to sense.

And yes, this is a terrible idea.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 06:57:49 AM »

Ew, but I imagine Wauquiez or Fillon (or God forbid Le Pen) would be even worse on this issue and Macron has done a great job reforming the labour code and cutting taxes so I'll give him a pass.
CDA leader Buma also wants to implement military service in the Netherlands. Of course the f**er got rejected for service himself (just like all those old CDA voters who just want to see the young suffer). Honestly, I don't think it would be a good idea to give young criminals military training anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2018, 07:28:22 AM »

Ew, but I imagine Wauquiez or Fillon (or God forbid Le Pen) would be even worse on this issue

Can anyone confirm off the top of their head if this was a consensus proposal among the Right?
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 07:30:59 AM »

Nothing is done yet.

The logistical and financial problems are enormous to restore a mandatory military service of 6 months.
- The military doesn't have the money to finance it
- They do not have enough men to supervise young people
- They do not have the barracks to house them

The Parliament is much more cautious about this idea, they are proposing a reinforcement of civic education in middle school, one week of service during the summer holidays at 16 years old, and regrouping all the current voluntary services.

Compulsory service has its worth, sure. While in the rest of the western world college kids are... well, college kids, here university students are (more or less) grown-up adults with level heads. But it's just not worth it. A Militarized society isn't worth it, and forcing 16 year olds to give up a week of their summer holidays to suffer in the military definitely isn't a good idea. France should just not do it, as simple as that. You don't need that, you shouldn't make your people go through that.

I'm against any change to the current system of military service (one day when you are 18), but I don't think young people will suffer with a week in the military, which will likely to be an extended version of the current day of military service: passing some kind of french tests, receiving some lectures on the Republic and the army, first aid training, ...
This would be a waste of time but nothing more.
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2018, 10:07:21 AM »

Wokey wokey Macron keeps getting better.
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2018, 10:34:50 AM »

I mean, I don't understand the backlash with that.

There are more and more problems in France regarding cohesion and that would help regarding this matter, making french meeting other french that they wouldn't never see in an another context.
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2018, 10:59:04 AM »
« Edited: February 15, 2018, 11:02:47 AM by Çråbçæk2784 »

Macron pledged this during the election campaign fwiw (as did melenchon)

I mean, so has Sweden under the Social Democratic government, and Germany will probably bring the draft back as well.
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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2018, 11:15:43 AM »

As someone who has been a conscript, I fully support it.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2018, 11:21:26 AM »

I mean, so has Sweden under the Social Democratic government, and Germany will probably bring the draft back as well.
They only take a very small percentage of potential conscripts, though; France's draft, on the other hand, will be universal and will therefore have a much larger impact on both society and the army.
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