Can Democrats bring back the Schumer strategy now?
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« on: February 04, 2018, 12:01:30 AM »

can they? They have become the elite party, yet ten years ago, they dominated the state legislatures of deep southern states and was competitive in congressional races down there, due to the recruiting of moderate Democrats who could win. This seems to have faded away. Can this strategy ever come back?
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 12:11:33 AM »

well they're doing the strategy now in senate races. krysten sinema and phil bredesen are moderates. manchin, heitkamp, mccaskill, and donnelly are moderate incumbents. some other dems like jacky rosen and jon tester are somewhat moderate overall.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 05:53:51 PM »

Actually, That probably, won't happen either and this fantasy where you think we'll have a bunch of competitive seats is presumably lost due to the fact of political polarization over the past 10 years. Democrats might shine some other election cycle, maybe this one in 2018. (But maybe it will end in the medium/long term, who knows)

I can't contemplate the thinking that we've entered a time where both parties are silly enough to bring in moderates. You know that voters themselves are more politically stringent than the population as a whole. Don't forget that, that's why we really can't have "moderate" candidates anymore when the voters are going to vote for the guy who is farther-reaching, but comes closer to his/her views.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 06:11:29 PM »

Yes, broadly speaking, given Trump's unpopularity but it depends on the district/state.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 06:35:37 PM »

can they? They have become the elite party, yet ten years ago, they dominated the state legislatures of deep southern states and was competitive in congressional races down there, due to the recruiting of moderate Democrats who could win. This seems to have faded away. Can this strategy ever come back?

That was leftovers from the days when Democrats ruled the South. They were bleeding seats in many of those legislatures for decades, and Obama was the last nail in the coffin. The point is that just because Democrats were competitive in some of those seats 10-12 years ago doesn't mean they are anymore. Recruiting the same kinds of candidates isn't going to make Democrats competitive again in all the same places.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 10:19:12 PM »

2016 showed that there isn't much ticket splitting any more. Every state voted the same for President and Senate.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 02:38:11 PM »

2016 showed that there isn't much ticket splitting any more. Every state voted the same for President and Senate.
At the local level there is still tons of ticket splitting. A Democrat won the Governorship in West Virginia comfortably even as Trump won the state by 42%.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 09:33:04 PM »

well they're doing the strategy now in senate races. krysten sinema and phil bredesen are moderates. manchin, heitkamp, mccaskill, and donnelly are moderate incumbents. some other dems like jacky rosen and jon tester are somewhat moderate overall.
Manchin, Donnelly, and maybe Bredesen are the only moderates on that list.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 09:53:00 PM »

2016 showed that there isn't much ticket splitting any more. Every state voted the same for President and Senate.
At the local level there is still tons of ticket splitting. A Democrat won the Governorship in West Virginia comfortably even as Trump won the state by 42%.

We're talking about the Senate, not governors. Justice already stopped pretending to be a Democrat, and most of the ticket splitting with governors is in the Republican's favor.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 10:49:09 PM »
« Edited: February 05, 2018, 10:56:25 PM by DTC »

well they're doing the strategy now in senate races. krysten sinema and phil bredesen are moderates. manchin, heitkamp, mccaskill, and donnelly are moderate incumbents. some other dems like jacky rosen and jon tester are somewhat moderate overall.
Manchin, Donnelly, and maybe Bredesen are the only moderates on that list.

Heitkamp is very similar ideologically to Donnelly (like literally, almost exactly the same, besides donelly being more pro-life and heitkamp being more pro-gun)

Sinema is more economically conservative than both Heitkamp and Donelly but a bit more socially liberal.

Phil Bredesen was arguably rightwing when he was a Governor so obviously he will be a moderate.

Doug Jones will probably be around these people in how moderate he is, but he hasn't made nearly enough votes for this software to calculate his ideology.

https://voteview.com/congress/senate
https://voteview.com/congress/house

Notice how there are a lot more dems closer to the middle than republicans closer to the middle. This shows that democrats have more moderate members than republicans. Dems are generally more adaptable than republicans because a lot of republicans are obsessed with trying to "out conservative" other members, to the detriment of the American people.

About 8 democrats are more moderate than the 2nd most moderate republican (murkowski). It doesn't seem like that to you because your economic matrix clearly shows you to be a very rightwing republican, which means anyone to the left of murkowski to you may as well be a socialist.

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2018, 04:55:07 PM »

can they? They have become the elite party, yet ten years ago, they dominated the state legislatures of deep southern states and was competitive in congressional races down there, due to the recruiting of moderate Democrats who could win. This seems to have faded away. Can this strategy ever come back?

What does this even mean?  Let's not equate urban support with "elite" by any means.
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