HI-1: Kaniela Ing vs Doug Chin

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

Supporting is one thing, but apparently for Maineac this corrupt dude is some sort of "dream".

[MAINEiac4434]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

Supporting is one thing, but apparently for Maineac this corrupt dude is some sort of "dream".

23K is hardly “big money.”

He is one of maybe 10 or so federal candidates that is openly and unapologetically socialist. He grew up dirt poor working in the pineapple fields. His father — like mine — died when he was young, and his family — like mine — had to pay medical bills for the next decade. He had to subside on free lunch from schools. I did too.

He knows what it’s like to be a victim of American capitalism, because he has been one.

I do not give one half of a shit about his campaign finance issues, because literally thousands of candidates nationwide do the exact same things. What Kaniela Ing did negatively impacts far fewer people than the disastrous policies of his opponents, and the disastrous policies of the Democratic Party writ large.

We need Medicare for All. That will save lives. We need to abolish ICE. That will save lives. I don’t trust establishment goons like Gillibrand or Adam Schiff or whoever leads this dogshit party to actually do what needs to be done to turn the United States of America into an ethical, humane nation. Kaniela Ing will be one of a very, very, very small group of people actually, genuinely working towards that end. I will take him over 95% of elected Democrats.

Kaniela Ing incorrectly reports $23,000 worth of contributions and spending over a five-year period, starting when he was 23. Hillary Clinton made 30 times that in a single speech to Goldman Sachs, whose entire business model is exploiting poor people, right before she launched her presidential campaign. Tell me who is more corrupt.

[Zaybay]

This is a question for the whole of Atlas.

Who do you think is going to win the race?

We have spent a lot of time talking about how bad the candidates are, but no time figuring out which one is more likely to win. It is a heavily split race.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Mercado Kim, unfortunately.

Will she join the Blue Dogs?

[wjx987]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

Supporting is one thing, but apparently for Maineac this corrupt dude is some sort of "dream".

23K is hardly “big money.”

He is one of maybe 10 or so federal candidates that is openly and unapologetically socialist. He grew up dirt poor working in the pineapple fields. His father — like mine — died when he was young, and his family — like mine — had to pay medical bills for the next decade. He had to subside on free lunch from schools. I did too.

He knows what it’s like to be a victim of American capitalism, because he has been one.

I do not give one half of a shit about his campaign finance issues, because literally thousands of candidates nationwide do the exact same things. What Kaniela Ing did negatively impacts far fewer people than the disastrous policies of his opponents, and the disastrous policies of the Democratic Party writ large.

We need Medicare for All. That will save lives. We need to abolish ICE. That will save lives. I don’t trust establishment goons like Gillibrand or Adam Schiff or whoever leads this dogshit party to actually do what needs to be done to turn the United States of America into an ethical, humane nation. Kaniela Ing will be one of a very, very, very small group of people actually, genuinely working towards that end. I will take him over 95% of elected Democrats.

Kaniela Ing incorrectly reports $23,000 worth of contributions and spending over a five-year period, starting when he was 23. Hillary Clinton made 30 times that in a single speech to Goldman Sachs, whose entire business model is exploiting poor people, right before she launched her presidential campaign. Tell me who is more corrupt.

Thx for saying EVERYTHING I've been trying to say about why I support Ing.

[BuckeyeNut]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

Supporting is one thing, but apparently for Maineac this corrupt dude is some sort of "dream".

23K is hardly “big money.”

He is one of maybe 10 or so federal candidates that is openly and unapologetically socialist. He grew up dirt poor working in the pineapple fields. His father — like mine — died when he was young, and his family — like mine — had to pay medical bills for the next decade. He had to subside on free lunch from schools. I did too.

He knows what it’s like to be a victim of American capitalism, because he has been one.

I do not give one half of a shit about his campaign finance issues, because literally thousands of candidates nationwide do the exact same things. What Kaniela Ing did negatively impacts far fewer people than the disastrous policies of his opponents, and the disastrous policies of the Democratic Party writ large.

We need Medicare for All. That will save lives. We need to abolish ICE. That will save lives. I don’t trust establishment goons like Gillibrand or Adam Schiff or whoever leads this dogshit party to actually do what needs to be done to turn the United States of America into an ethical, humane nation. Kaniela Ing will be one of a very, very, very small group of people actually, genuinely working towards that end. I will take him over 95% of elected Democrats.

Kaniela Ing incorrectly reports $23,000 worth of contributions and spending over a five-year period, starting when he was 23. Hillary Clinton made 30 times that in a single speech to Goldman Sachs, whose entire business model is exploiting poor people, right before she launched her presidential campaign. Tell me who is more corrupt.

Ing, no ifs-ands-or-buts.

[gerritcole]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

Supporting is one thing, but apparently for Maineac this corrupt dude is some sort of "dream".

23K is hardly “big money.”

He is one of maybe 10 or so federal candidates that is openly and unapologetically socialist. He grew up dirt poor working in the pineapple fields. His father — like mine — died when he was young, and his family — like mine — had to pay medical bills for the next decade. He had to subside on free lunch from schools. I did too.

He knows what it’s like to be a victim of American capitalism, because he has been one.

I do not give one half of a shit about his campaign finance issues, because literally thousands of candidates nationwide do the exact same things. What Kaniela Ing did negatively impacts far fewer people than the disastrous policies of his opponents, and the disastrous policies of the Democratic Party writ large.

We need Medicare for All. That will save lives. We need to abolish ICE. That will save lives. I don’t trust establishment goons like Gillibrand or Adam Schiff or whoever leads this dogshit party to actually do what needs to be done to turn the United States of America into an ethical, humane nation. Kaniela Ing will be one of a very, very, very small group of people actually, genuinely working towards that end. I will take him over 95% of elected Democrats.

Kaniela Ing incorrectly reports $23,000 worth of contributions and spending over a five-year period, starting when he was 23. Hillary Clinton made 30 times that in a single speech to Goldman Sachs, whose entire business model is exploiting poor people, right before she launched her presidential campaign. Tell me who is more corrupt.

making money isn't corrupt. Second, GS does not exploit poor people; at some point do people ever take responsibility for their own conditions or is some higher being always to blame?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Go Off King!

Ocasio/Ing dream ticket when?

Your dream includes a corrupt guy who had thousands of dollars worth of campaign violations?

Thousands of dollars is quite a lot... sounds like Ing is just as corrupt as the other machine bosses, just pretending to be something different.

It's clear you guys don't actually care about getting big money out of politics when you support trash criminals like Ing. You just want the big money to flow right through your socialist overlords.

Like I said I'd support another candidate if literally every other candidate wasn't a flaming pile of dogsh!t.

Supporting is one thing, but apparently for Maineac this corrupt dude is some sort of "dream".

23K is hardly “big money.”

He is one of maybe 10 or so federal candidates that is openly and unapologetically socialist. He grew up dirt poor working in the pineapple fields. His father — like mine — died when he was young, and his family — like mine — had to pay medical bills for the next decade. He had to subside on free lunch from schools. I did too.

He knows what it’s like to be a victim of American capitalism, because he has been one.

I do not give one half of a shit about his campaign finance issues, because literally thousands of candidates nationwide do the exact same things. What Kaniela Ing did negatively impacts far fewer people than the disastrous policies of his opponents, and the disastrous policies of the Democratic Party writ large.

We need Medicare for All. That will save lives. We need to abolish ICE. That will save lives. I don’t trust establishment goons like Gillibrand or Adam Schiff or whoever leads this dogshit party to actually do what needs to be done to turn the United States of America into an ethical, humane nation. Kaniela Ing will be one of a very, very, very small group of people actually, genuinely working towards that end. I will take him over 95% of elected Democrats.

Kaniela Ing incorrectly reports $23,000 worth of contributions and spending over a five-year period, starting when he was 23. Hillary Clinton made 30 times that in a single speech to Goldman Sachs, whose entire business model is exploiting poor people, right before she launched her presidential campaign. Tell me who is more corrupt.

1) This a false choice.  Ing and Hillary are both corrupt.  Beyond which, Hillary isn’t running.  That said, Ing committed 23 campaign finance violations including using campaign donations for personal use and mixing funds from his campaign account with those in his bank accounts.  That’s pretty corrupt.  Ing is a grifter, even if he sometimes hums a pleasant tune.

2) Establishment goons like Adam Schiff?  That was random.  I hope it wasn’t some sort of shot at the Mueller probe/investigating Trump’s ties to Russia (as we’ve seen fringe whacktivists on the far left sometimes towing the Putin-Intercept line) b/c if it was...well...that really speaks for itself (to be diplomatic about it).  I’m not saying this was the case, but I wanted to clarify. 

3) Everyone in this race sucks, so I don’t begrudge you supporting Ing on ideological grounds, but let’s not pretend he’s a good guy.

[Jeppe]

This is a question for the whole of Atlas.

Who do you think is going to win the race?

We have spent a lot of time talking about how bad the candidates are, but no time figuring out which one is more likely to win. It is a heavily split race.

Donna Mercado Kim has consistently lead the polls, she has the most establishment (union) support , and she ran in 2016, so she has a fairly recent base of support to work with.

I would prefer Fukumoto, but Mercado Kim is better than Case returning to Congress. I’d prefer even Ing & Chin to him.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

[Jeppe]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

My dislike of Case grew stronger when he said that being white was an electoral advantage for him, running against 7 Asian candidates. It's like he's forgotten that white people are only 19% of HI-01, and a good chunk of them are Republicans. If he wanted to run on being white, he's in the wrong congressional district.

The most Asian district in America deserves an Asian-American representative, not a relic from the past running on his white identity.

The most annoying part is that he's basically correct. White people are such a small minority in Hawaii that they vote like a ethnic minority group in mainland America, i.e. pretty strongly for the white candidate. The same trend doesn't exist as strongly for the other ethnic groups.

In the 2014 Senate primary, Schatz won the wealthy, white areas by huge margins, while still winning many Japanese-American precincts against Hanabusa. Hanabusa's strongest ethnic group was actually Filipino-Americans, not Japanese-Americans.

Actually, Hirono & Case apparently tied among white voters in the 2014 Senate primary, so, maybe not. But white voters were still his strongest ethnic group, as he lost the others by fairly large margins.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/101099991/Honolulu-Star-Advertiser-Hawaii-News-Now-Hawaii-Poll-July-2012-Part-1

[BundouYMB]

This is a question for the whole of Atlas.

Who do you think is going to win the race?

We have spent a lot of time talking about how bad the candidates are, but no time figuring out which one is more likely to win. It is a heavily split race.

Mercado Kim will win, probably by a large margin, Chin will finish second, and Fukumoto will finish third. Ing is a corrupt joke candidate supported primarily by edgy teens on the internet, although I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say he might beat out Ed Case for the coveted fourth place.

[MAINEiac4434]

Mercado Kim, unfortunately.

Will she join the Blue Dogs?

Agreed, unfortunately. Outside chance of Ed Case, too. Ing almost certainly has no shot.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

My dislike of Case grew stronger when he said that being white was an electoral advantage for him, running against 7 Asian candidates. It's like he's forgotten that white people are only 19% of HI-01, and a good chunk of them are Republicans. If he wanted to run on being white, he's in the wrong congressional district.

The most Asian district in America deserves an Asian-American representative, not a relic from the past running on his white identity.

The most annoying part is that he's basically correct. White people are such a small minority in Hawaii that they vote like a ethnic minority group in mainland America, i.e. pretty strongly for the white candidate. The same trend doesn't exist as strongly for the other ethnic groups.

In the 2014 Senate primary, Schatz won the wealthy, white areas by huge margins, while still winning many Japanese-American precincts against Hanabusa. Hanabusa's strongest ethnic group was actually Filipino-Americans, not Japanese-Americans.

Actually, Hirono & Case apparently tied among white voters in the 2014 Senate primary, so, maybe not. But white voters were still his strongest ethnic group, as he lost the others by fairly large margins.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/101099991/Honolulu-Star-Advertiser-Hawaii-News-Now-Hawaii-Poll-July-2012-Part-1

A progressive white is always preferable to an Asian DINO like Mercado Kim, Chin and Fukumoto.

And yes, Case isn't that progressive but a lot of white politicians from Hawaii are and supporting a disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh!t like Mercado Kim over them wiuld be disgusting.

[BundouYMB]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

My dislike of Case grew stronger when he said that being white was an electoral advantage for him, running against 7 Asian candidates. It's like he's forgotten that white people are only 19% of HI-01, and a good chunk of them are Republicans. If he wanted to run on being white, he's in the wrong congressional district.

The most Asian district in America deserves an Asian-American representative, not a relic from the past running on his white identity.

The most annoying part is that he's basically correct. White people are such a small minority in Hawaii that they vote like a ethnic minority group in mainland America, i.e. pretty strongly for the white candidate. The same trend doesn't exist as strongly for the other ethnic groups.

In the 2014 Senate primary, Schatz won the wealthy, white areas by huge margins, while still winning many Japanese-American precincts against Hanabusa. Hanabusa's strongest ethnic group was actually Filipino-Americans, not Japanese-Americans.

Actually, Hirono & Case apparently tied among white voters in the 2014 Senate primary, so, maybe not. But white voters were still his strongest ethnic group, as he lost the others by fairly large margins.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/101099991/Honolulu-Star-Advertiser-Hawaii-News-Now-Hawaii-Poll-July-2012-Part-1

A progressive white is always preferable to an Asian DINO like Mercado Kim, Chin and Fukumoto.

And yes, Case isn't that progressive but a lot of white politicians from Hawaii are and suppofringe a disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh!t like Mercado Kim over them wiuld be disgusting.

Look, I could care less who wins this race and I'm certainly not defending Mercado Kim, but I do think it's worth remembering that gay marriage is basically a settled issue and Ed Case was literally a member of the Blue Dog caucus. I think Mercado Kim would probably vote more progressively, but I agree it's hard to support someone who's anti-gay.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Both Case and Mercado Kim suck (as do Chin and Fukumoto), which is why I'm not supporting any of them.

[Jeppe]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

My dislike of Case grew stronger when he said that being white was an electoral advantage for him, running against 7 Asian candidates. It's like he's forgotten that white people are only 19% of HI-01, and a good chunk of them are Republicans. If he wanted to run on being white, he's in the wrong congressional district.

The most Asian district in America deserves an Asian-American representative, not a relic from the past running on his white identity.

The most annoying part is that he's basically correct. White people are such a small minority in Hawaii that they vote like a ethnic minority group in mainland America, i.e. pretty strongly for the white candidate. The same trend doesn't exist as strongly for the other ethnic groups.

In the 2014 Senate primary, Schatz won the wealthy, white areas by huge margins, while still winning many Japanese-American precincts against Hanabusa. Hanabusa's strongest ethnic group was actually Filipino-Americans, not Japanese-Americans.

Actually, Hirono & Case apparently tied among white voters in the 2014 Senate primary, so, maybe not. But white voters were still his strongest ethnic group, as he lost the others by fairly large margins.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/101099991/Honolulu-Star-Advertiser-Hawaii-News-Now-Hawaii-Poll-July-2012-Part-1

A progressive white is always preferable to an Asian DINO like Mercado Kim, Chin and Fukumoto.

And yes, Case isn't that progressive but a lot of white politicians from Hawaii are and suppofringe a disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh!t like Mercado Kim over them wiuld be disgusting.

A lot of Democratic politicians voted against gay marriage, that’s why I was initially reluctant to support Jeff Van Drew in NJ-02, but as long they’re still not using hurtful rhetoric about gay people, I don’t really care now, and I say that as an LGBTQ person.

I think you’re mistaking Mercado Kim with Tulsi Gabbard’s father, who regularly used hateful rhetoric when describing gay people. Instead of decrying a homosexual agenda like Gabbard did, Mercado Kim simply voted against gay marriage, there’s a big difference. One makes you a “fringe, disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh**t”, the other just makes you a regular politician, having made disappointing votes in the past.

[Jeppe]

Also, Ed Case is the only candidate not to discuss the LGBTQ community in his platform page. The rest have gotten the memo about LGBTQ issues in 2018, but Case is still willfully living in the past. He mentioned numerous times about his plans to reach out to Republicans, but not to the LGBTQ community. Amazing.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

My dislike of Case grew stronger when he said that being white was an electoral advantage for him, running against 7 Asian candidates. It's like he's forgotten that white people are only 19% of HI-01, and a good chunk of them are Republicans. If he wanted to run on being white, he's in the wrong congressional district.

The most Asian district in America deserves an Asian-American representative, not a relic from the past running on his white identity.

The most annoying part is that he's basically correct. White people are such a small minority in Hawaii that they vote like a ethnic minority group in mainland America, i.e. pretty strongly for the white candidate. The same trend doesn't exist as strongly for the other ethnic groups.

In the 2014 Senate primary, Schatz won the wealthy, white areas by huge margins, while still winning many Japanese-American precincts against Hanabusa. Hanabusa's strongest ethnic group was actually Filipino-Americans, not Japanese-Americans.

Actually, Hirono & Case apparently tied among white voters in the 2014 Senate primary, so, maybe not. But white voters were still his strongest ethnic group, as he lost the others by fairly large margins.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/101099991/Honolulu-Star-Advertiser-Hawaii-News-Now-Hawaii-Poll-July-2012-Part-1

A progressive white is always preferable to an Asian DINO like Mercado Kim, Chin and Fukumoto.

And yes, Case isn't that progressive but a lot of white politicians from Hawaii are and suppofringe a disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh!t like Mercado Kim over them wiuld be disgusting.

A lot of Democratic politicians voted against gay marriage, that’s why I was initially reluctant to support Jeff Van Drew in NJ-02, but as long they’re still not using hurtful rhetoric about gay people, I don’t really care now, and I say that as an LGBTQ person.

I think you’re mistaking Mercado Kim with Tulsi Gabbard’s father, who regularly used hateful rhetoric when describing gay people. Instead of decrying a homosexual agenda like Gabbard did, Mercado Kim simply voted against gay marriage, there’s a big difference. One makes you a “fringe, disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh**t”, the other just makes you a regular politician, having made disappointing votes in the past.

It still makes her unprogressive and thus completely unworthy of support in such a Democratic district. Why support someome so right wing in a district that can do WAY better?

[MAINEiac4434]

Jeff Van Drew is running in a Republican District, it stands to reason he’d lurch to the center on some issues. What’s Mercado Kim’s excuse?

[America Needs R'hllor]

Case sucks but at least he was a Democrat two years ago. F[inks] Fukumoto.

My dislike of Case grew stronger when he said that being white was an electoral advantage for him, running against 7 Asian candidates. It's like he's forgotten that white people are only 19% of HI-01, and a good chunk of them are Republicans. If he wanted to run on being white, he's in the wrong congressional district.

The most Asian district in America deserves an Asian-American representative, not a relic from the past running on his white identity.

The most annoying part is that he's basically correct. White people are such a small minority in Hawaii that they vote like a ethnic minority group in mainland America, i.e. pretty strongly for the white candidate. The same trend doesn't exist as strongly for the other ethnic groups.

In the 2014 Senate primary, Schatz won the wealthy, white areas by huge margins, while still winning many Japanese-American precincts against Hanabusa. Hanabusa's strongest ethnic group was actually Filipino-Americans, not Japanese-Americans.

Actually, Hirono & Case apparently tied among white voters in the 2014 Senate primary, so, maybe not. But white voters were still his strongest ethnic group, as he lost the others by fairly large margins.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/101099991/Honolulu-Star-Advertiser-Hawaii-News-Now-Hawaii-Poll-July-2012-Part-1

A progressive white is always preferable to an Asian DINO like Mercado Kim, Chin and Fukumoto.

And yes, Case isn't that progressive but a lot of white politicians from Hawaii are and supporting a disgusting, vile, gay hating sack of sh!t like Mercado Kim over them wiuld be disgusting.

Isn't Case the one with the pray-the-gay-away church?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, that's Chin.

[Zipinparadise]

No, that's Chin.

Second debate was last night -- sponsored by pro-corporate Carpenters Union (who are footing a $1M+ tab to elect Josh Green as LG).  Was a battle of Blue Dogs between Donna Kim (no one uses "Mercado", okay?) Ed Case and the city councilman who's running way behind.  Only Kaniela Ing dared speak out in favor of working-class people and for the need for affordable housing in the most expensive place on earth.  My overall prediction based on 35 yrs of watching Hawaii politics:  Kim is the slight favorite over Case with Fukumoto closing late.  Don't rule her out.  And the grassroots favorite, Ing needs a BIG GOTV campaign by his young supporters.

[Zipinparadise]

If there was another standard mainstream progressive running, like Schatz or even in the mold of Hanabusa, I'd probably support them over Ing due to his issues...but all the other candidates are total garbage, so not an option.

Apparently no one has informed you:  Colleen Hanabusa is the most right-wing politician in the entire state of Hawai'i!  She's a career corporate lawyer, who hates workers and anyone to the left of the GOP.