Polish Politics and Elections

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Preliminary breakdown of Senate seats:

PiS: 48
KO: 43
PSL: 3
SLD: 2
Independents: 4


It's been reported Schetyna wants to propose Bogdan Borusewicz (previous Marshal of the Senate from 2005 to 2010) for his old position again.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Official 100% for Sejm according to PKW

PSL: 30
PiS: 235
SLD: 49
Konfederacja: 11
KO: 134
MN: 1

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

Apparently Konfederacja are already talking about splitting into two parliamentary groups, lol.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Apparently Konfederacja are already talking about splitting into two parliamentary groups, lol.

Winnicki debunked it, although you never knows with them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Official 100% for Sejm according to PKW

PSL: 30
PiS: 235
SLD: 49
Konfederacja: 11
KO: 134
MN: 1

So PiS managed to win a majority with only 44% despite all the significant parties clearing the threshold. D'Hondt never disappoints.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Detailed maps:

https://wbdata.pl/wyniki-wyborow-do-sejmu-2019-na-mapach/

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Official 100% for Sejm according to PKW

PSL: 30
PiS: 235
SLD: 49
Konfederacja: 11
KO: 134
MN: 1

So PiS managed to win a majority with only 44% despite all the significant parties clearing the threshold. D'Hondt never disappoints.

"Victor d'Hondt: try explaining to him 42% is not a majority"


Serious answer: in 2015 PiS won exactly the same number of seats with only 37.58%. The fact both ZL and whatever party Korwin was leading back then (I lost track at this point) didn't clear 8% and 5% thresholds respectively helped them. Now every nationwide committee cleared the threshold... which is why, for the first time in my life, I'm not disappointed PSL managed to survive yet another election

Shortly before the 2001 election, when SLD/UP was all but certain to trump all other parties, the outgoing Sejm quickly passed switching from d'Hondt to Sainte-Laguë, which deprived SLD from winning a majority.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Should Czykwin be counted as a "Belarussian minority MP", since he was elected from KO, as opposed to being elected from a minority committee like Galla?

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

Should Czykwin be counted as a "Belarussian minority MP", since he was elected from KO, as opposed to being elected from a minority committee like Galla?

Nope, he will be KO MP.

[bigic]

According to Wikipedia Czykwin is affiliated with SLD, when did he switch to KO?

[rob in cal]

  So why is it that there is still a significant German minority in the Opole region unlike any of the other former German silesian or pomeranian areas.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

According to Wikipedia Czykwin is affiliated with SLD, when did he switch to KO?

He drifted away between 2018 and 2019. Electoral Commission data stated that he is no longer member of SLD (and any other party).

  So why is it that there is still a significant German minority in the Opole region unlike any of the other former German silesian or pomeranian areas.

Well, this was part of ethnically German Silesia which was closest one to the historical ethnic border with ethnically Polish Silesia, so most of the Germans there were more prepared to stay (some of them married Polish people, some of them were able to hide German roots, rural population had greater incentives to stay as they had land etc.) in the state which until ca. 1980s tried to polonize everything. Generally there were two places where Germans stayed in Poland after 1945 in some significant groups - region of Opole (and to some extend western part of Silesian voivodship) and region of Wałbrzych where German miners were crucial for coal mining after the war. Those two groups stayed, but until today we have only Upper Silesian group. The rest generally left Poland to live in Germany.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Well, this was part of ethnically German Silesia which was closest one to the historical ethnic border with ethnically Polish Silesia, so most of the Germans there were more prepared to stay (some of them married Polish people, some of them were able to hide German roots, rural population had greater incentives to stay as they had land etc.) in the state which until ca. 1980s tried to polonize everything. Generally there were two places where Germans stayed in Poland after 1945 in some significant groups - region of Opole (and to some extend western part of Silesian voivodship) and region of Wałbrzych where German miners were crucial for coal mining after the war. Those two groups stayed, but until today we have only Upper Silesian group. The rest generally left Poland to live in Germany.

The Upper Silesian Germans have quite an interesting history - one of those odd little border country minority groups that are the result of existence of the border. Didn't have a particularly good relationship with nationalists or the state before 1945 either, which was presumably a factor in staying on afterwards.

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Well, this was part of ethnically German Silesia which was closest one to the historical ethnic border with ethnically Polish Silesia, so most of the Germans there were more prepared to stay (some of them married Polish people, some of them were able to hide German roots, rural population had greater incentives to stay as they had land etc.) in the state which until ca. 1980s tried to polonize everything. Generally there were two places where Germans stayed in Poland after 1945 in some significant groups - region of Opole (and to some extend western part of Silesian voivodship) and region of Wałbrzych where German miners were crucial for coal mining after the war. Those two groups stayed, but until today we have only Upper Silesian group. The rest generally left Poland to live in Germany.

The Upper Silesian Germans have quite an interesting history - one of those odd little border country minority groups that are the result of existence of the border. Didn't have a particularly good relationship with nationalists or the state before 1945 either, which was presumably a factor in staying on afterwards.

It's quite a fascinating region for a number of reasons. The Upper Silesia (by which I define the Upper Silesian and Opole Voivodeship) became one of the main destination for repatriated people from the former "eastern borderlands" (Kresy). Some say, half-jokingly, that Lwów simply "moved" to Wrocław. In other words displaced people from the east filled the void left by displaced Germans in the west, which was pretty handy for the government, as served to quickly polonize the land.

Postwar demographic shifts were not limited to Germans or Poles from Kresy. A substantial number of remaining Ukrainians, living east of Rzeszów and Lublin, were forcibly resettled to the "recovered lands" in result of "Operation Vistula". The goal was to pacify the UPA insurgents still active there. To add even more shame to this unpleasant chapter, many Lemkos were removed as well, after they were classified as "Ukrainians".

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's quite a fascinating region for a number of reasons. The Upper Silesia (by which I define the Upper Silesian and Opole Voivodeship) became one of the main destination for repatriated people from the former "eastern borderlands" (Kresy). Some say, half-jokingly, that Lwów simply "moved" to Wrocław. In other words displaced people from the east filled the void left by displaced Germans in the west, which was pretty handy for the government, as served to quickly polonize the land.

It never quite worked out as intended: the original plan (a classic piece of Galaxy Brain postwar idiocy) was to repopulate the countryside (and in Further Pomerania etc. as well) to the same density as before the war as well which, of course, never happened (to such an extent that the old borders are very clear even from satellite images: so much marginal farmland just reverted to woodland etc.) because the soil is terrible and it's all really very remote. You'd think they might have been aware that these regions were notorious for rural depopulation from the 1850s onwards and maybe might have wondered why, but...

[H. Ross Peron]

Detailed maps:

https://wbdata.pl/wyniki-wyborow-do-sejmu-2019-na-mapach/

Where was the municipality/district where PiS was the weakest since there apparently is one where they won little over 18% of the vote?

[kireev]

Detailed maps:

https://wbdata.pl/wyniki-wyborow-do-sejmu-2019-na-mapach/

Where was the municipality/district where PiS was the weakest since there apparently is one where they won little over 18% of the vote?

https://wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2019/pl/wyniki/sejm/gm/240303

According to Wikipedia:

 It is the only town in Poland[citation needed] with a majority Protestant population (as of 2006 roughly two third of the population,[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wis%C5%82a

[H. Ross Peron]

Detailed maps:

https://wbdata.pl/wyniki-wyborow-do-sejmu-2019-na-mapach/

Where was the municipality/district where PiS was the weakest since there apparently is one where they won little over 18% of the vote?

https://wybory.gov.pl/sejmsenat2019/pl/wyniki/sejm/gm/240303

According to Wikipedia:

 It is the only town in Poland[citation needed] with a majority Protestant population (as of 2006 roughly two third of the population,[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wis%C5%82a

Thanks for looking it up. It's such an incredible and fascinating anomaly, especially for a country that's portrayed as so extremely homogeneous like Poland.

[Ethelberth]

Adam Malysz hails from that city. There is also one Lutheran city in Czechia.

[Epaminondas]

I really like this thread.

What's the latest news about the Senate seats?

Would it be correct to frame the election as an underperformance by PiS that can feel like a win for the opposition, but in reality a win by rural areas which promises 4 more years of illiberalism in the heart of the EU?

[Simfan34]

I see.