How would have you voted UK edition

[mileslunn]

1945: Churchill
1950: Churchill
1951: Churchill
1955: Eden
1959: MacMillan
1964: Douglas-Home
1966: Heath
1970: Heath
1974: Heath in both 1974 elections
1979: Thatcher
1983: Thatcher
1987: Thatcher
1992: Major
1997: Major
2001: Hague
2005: Howard
2010: Cameron
2015: Cameron
2017: May

[bagelman]

Why do you have a red avatar?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Straight Tory with the exception of 1997 and 2001

[mileslunn]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

[Mr. Smith]

1945: Attlee
1950: Attlee
1951: Attlee
1955: Attlee
1959: Gaitskell
1964: Wilson
1966: Wilson
1970: Wilson
1974: Wilson in both 1974 elections
1979: Callaghan
1983: Foote
1987: Kinnock
1992: Ashdown
1997: Ashdown
2001: Kennedy
2005: Kennedy
2010: Clegg
2015: Miliband
2017: Corbyn


Affiliations: Labour (1947-1988, 2011-Present), Liberal Democrat (1988-2011)

[RFayette]

Sane as OP

[Lechasseur]

1945: Churchill
1950: Churchill
1951: Churchill
1955: Eden
1959: MacMillan
1964: Douglas-Home
1966: Heath
1970: Heath
1974: Heath in both 1974 elections
1979: Thatcher
1983: Thatcher
1987: Thatcher
1992: Major
1997: Major
2001: Hague
2005: Howard
2010: Cameron
2015: Cameron
2017: May

[bagelman]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

Thatcher is not "centre-right". Thatcher is easily right of Trump.

[mileslunn]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

Thatcher is not "centre-right". Thatcher is easily right of Trump.

She didn't have the history of racism like he did.  Also on economic policy, she did privatize a lot, but most of the things she privatized were never government owned in the first place in the US.  In terms of spending cuts, she cut the size of the welfare state, but even after she left it was still much larger than in the US.  After all she kept the NHS, while only Bernie Sanders and a few other left leaning Democrats have gone as far as advocating a single payer system.  Yes Britain allows competition from the private sector, but I don't think there are many Democrats calling for all private health care to be banned.  On taxes, the top rate was 95% when she came to power, while was 40% when she left while under Clinton and Obama the top rate was 39.6% while 28% under Reagan, 31% under Bush sr., 35% under Bush jr, and 37% under Trump.  It's true the cuts in the size of government were a lot more dramatic under her, but that is only because the UK government became a lot bigger than the US government ever has.  Otherwise UK moved so much further to the left than the US ever has that just to bring it back to where it was under the Democrats required massive privatization, massive spending cuts, and massive tax cuts.

[Artaxerxes]

Solidly Labour since 1945 with maybe an exception for the Lib Dems in 2005.

[TheSaint250]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

The Democratic Party is most definitely not center-right.

[Kingpoleon]

1918: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1922: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1923: H. H. Asquith[/gold]
1924: H. H. Asquith[/gold]
1929: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1931: John Simon[/gold]
1935: Herbert Samuel[/gold]
1945: Archibald Sinclair[/gold]
1950: Winston Churchill
1951: Clement Davies[/gold]
1955: Anthony Eden
1959: Jo Grimond
1964: Jo Grimond
1966: Jo Grimond
1970: Jeremy Thorpe
1974: Edward Heath in both 1974 elections
1979: David Steel
1983: David Steel/Roy Jenkins
1987: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Major, but I like all the leaders
1997: Paddy Ashdown, but I like all the leaders
2001: Charles Kennedy
2005: Charles Kennedy
2010: Nick Clegg
2015: David Cameron
2017: Tim Farron


Affiliations: Liberal (1918-1929, 1931-1949, 1956-1987), Labour (1929-1931), Conservative (1949-1956)

[catographer]

1918: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1922: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1923: H. H. Asquith[/gold]
1924: H. H. Asquith[/gold]
1929: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1931: John Simon[/gold]
1935: Herbert Samuel[/gold]
1945: Archibald Sinclair[/gold]
1950: Winston Churchill
1951: Clement Davies[/gold]
1955: Anthony Eden
1959: Jo Grimond
1964: Jo Grimond
1966: Jo Grimond
1970: Jeremy Thorpe
1974: Edward Heath in both 1974 elections
1979: David Steel
1983: David Steel/Roy Jenkins
1987: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Major, but I like all the leaders
1997: Paddy Ashdown, but I like all the leaders
2001: Charles Kennedy
2005: Charles Kennedy
2010: Nick Clegg
2015: David Cameron
2017: Tim Farron


Affiliations: Liberal (1918-1929, 1931-1949, 1956-1987), Labour (1929-1931), Conservative (1949-1956)

same

[Blair]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

This doesn't really make sense because you voted for the most right wing Tories (Howard and Hague) when there were up against Labours most right wing leader in Blair.

Besides it's all apples and oranges; if Thatcher was a US politician she wouldn't support universal healthcare, in the same way Sanders would be on the left of Labour.

Semantics aside.. would vote Labour every election with the exception of the SDP in 1983, and Ken Livingstone for mayor in 2000, when he ran as an independent. (Before his anti-semetism)

[Leftbehind]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

Thatcher is not "centre-right". Thatcher is easily right of Trump.

She didn't have the history of racism like he did.  Also on economic policy, she did privatize a lot, but most of the things she privatized were never government owned in the first place in the US.  In terms of spending cuts, she cut the size of the welfare state, but even after she left it was still much larger than in the US.  After all she kept the NHS, while only Bernie Sanders and a few other left leaning Democrats have gone as far as advocating a single payer system.  Yes Britain allows competition from the private sector, but I don't think there are many Democrats calling for all private health care to be banned.  On taxes, the top rate was 95% when she came to power, while was 40% when she left while under Clinton and Obama the top rate was 39.6% while 28% under Reagan, 31% under Bush sr., 35% under Bush jr, and 37% under Trump.  It's true the cuts in the size of government were a lot more dramatic under her, but that is only because the UK government became a lot bigger than the US government ever has.  Otherwise UK moved so much further to the left than the US ever has that just to bring it back to where it was under the Democrats required massive privatization, massive spending cuts, and massive tax cuts.

Thatcher was not centre-right, ffs. A lack of history for racism doesn't make someone not right-wing, and she ended up showing her true colours by supporting apartheid South Africa. She kept the NHS because she wouldn't have been elected otherwise, put simply, not because of any limit to her privatisation zeal.

Labour through to the 00's, likely, but would've protest voted throughout then, and only returned to voting Labour under Miliband.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

Thatcher is not "centre-right". Thatcher is easily right of Trump.

Do you think Thatcher is to the right of Reagan , Dubya Bush or even Paul Ryan

[Sumner 1868]

You probably can guess. I just wonder if a British Wulfric would constantly vote Liberal/LibDem or change parties frequently for idiosyncratic reasons?

[Lechasseur]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

The Democratic Party is most definitely not center-right.

It basically was say 20 years ago, but not today

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

1918: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1922: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1923: H. H. Asquith[/gold]
1924: H. H. Asquith[/gold]
1929: David Lloyd George[/gold]
1931: John Simon[/gold]
1935: Herbert Samuel[/gold]
1945: Archibald Sinclair[/gold]
1950: Winston Churchill
1951: Clement Davies[/gold]
1955: Anthony Eden
1959: Jo Grimond
1964: Jo Grimond
1966: Jo Grimond
1970: Jeremy Thorpe
1974: Edward Heath in both 1974 elections
1979: David Steel
1983: David Steel/Roy Jenkins
1987: Neil Kinnock
1992: John Major, but I like all the leaders
1997: Paddy Ashdown, but I like all the leaders
2001: Charles Kennedy
2005: Charles Kennedy
2010: Nick Clegg
2015: David Cameron
2017: Tim Farron


Affiliations: Liberal (1918-1929, 1931-1949, 1956-1987), Labour (1929-1931), Conservative (1949-1956)

why abandon the Alliance in '87?

for me, Labour everytime. Maybe a protest vote for Kennedy in 2005.

[Kingpoleon]

Kinnock was vital in bringing Labour over towards the right, and his son is my new favorite rising star in Labour since Tristram Hunt left Parliament.

[mileslunn]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

The Democratic Party is most definitely not center-right.

Depends on which country.  In the US it is centre-left, but relative to many European parties probably true.  It would sit around the same spot as the CDU in Germany who are generally seen as centre-right.  Likewise Tories like Kenneth Clarke or Anna Soubry could easily fit in with the Democrats.  True some like Jacob Rees-Mogg would definitely be Republicans.

[mileslunn]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

This doesn't really make sense because you voted for the most right wing Tories (Howard and Hague) when there were up against Labours most right wing leader in Blair.

Besides it's all apples and oranges; if Thatcher was a US politician she wouldn't support universal healthcare, in the same way Sanders would be on the left of Labour.

Semantics aside.. would vote Labour every election with the exception of the SDP in 1983, and Ken Livingstone for mayor in 2000, when he ran as an independent. (Before his anti-semetism)

Howard and Hague were not ideal but as a conservative in Canada, I don't see why I couldn't support them.  Blair was more centrist otherwise he would be a Liberal here in Canada, but asides from the Iraq war he would have a tough time fitting into our Tories here even the old PCs.  As for Trump, the guy is a racist buffoon so supporting Clinton and supporting British Tories is quite logical.  Tories have never gotten below 30% in UK, yet Trump's support is south of 20% so that suggests a lot of Tories couldn't support him.  In fact with David Cameron, one of his campaigners from the US was a campaigner for Obama and I've even heard Obama was hoping for the Tories to win the last two elections, although he may have gone Labour under Blair.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

The Democratic Party is most definitely not center-right.

Depends on which country.  In the US it is centre-left, but relative to many European parties probably true.  It would sit around the same spot as the CDU in Germany who are generally seen as centre-right.  Likewise Tories like Kenneth Clarke or Anna Soubry could easily fit in with the Democrats.  True some like Jacob Rees-Mogg would definitely be Republicans.

Can we not use this Reddit-tier political analysis?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Why do you have a red avatar?

Because this is a US site and in the US I would be a Democrat.  Most Conservatives in Britain would vote Democrat in the US in recent years.  If you check the Canadian one you will notice I voted Liberal in a few recent ones and also voted more Conservative when they were the former Progressive Conservatives, although I did not vote for Trudeau.  I am centre-right and the GOP has in recent years swung way too the right.

The Democratic Party is most definitely not center-right.

Depends on which country.  In the US it is centre-left, but relative to many European parties probably true.  It would sit around the same spot as the CDU in Germany who are generally seen as centre-right.  Likewise Tories like Kenneth Clarke or Anna Soubry could easily fit in with the Democrats.  True some like Jacob Rees-Mogg would definitely be Republicans.

If UK Tories were US politicians, they definitely would be more right wing than they were in the UK. I am sure Theresa May or David Cameron would not favor Single Payer or even the Public Option if they were US politicians. Similarly if Republicans were UK politicans I am sure they wouldnt oppose the NHS.


A good comparision is that NHS in UK = Social Security in USA

[mileslunn]

Theresa May and David Cameron both came from the more moderate wing of the party so while they would probably be more right wing in the US, they would probably be like John Kasich or Arnold Schwarznegger not Trump like.  Besides those two would never win the GOP nomination anyways, they would choose someone like Jacob Rees-Mogg.  Also I believe those two do genuinely favour the NHS.  They might support a parallel private system or more private involvement but I don't believe they privately favour a private system.  There was a study done that showed your median Conservative voter in UK was more left wing than your median Democrat voter.  Check this article out https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/how-conservative-would-uk-conservatives-be-us/312573 .  This is on Jim Messina was an Obama campaigner helping David Cameron.  Now maybe if May and Cameron were born in the US and lived all their life there, they would be more right wing as people's views are influenced by where they live.  But that is irrelevant, because the British Tories aren't nearly as right wing as the GOP in actual policy that is why you have people like myself and I know many others too who would vote Democrat in the US, Tory in the UK.  I even know a few federal Liberals here in Canada who would have voted Tory in the UK, mind you a lot of them would have more due to fear of Jeremy Corbyn being too radical than being Tories.  Also with Thatcher, she faced Michael Foot who was way out on the loony left.  I have met people in the US who voted for Clinton, but had Sanders won, they would have gone for Trump and Labour is asides for the Blair years is a lot more like Sanders than Clinton.