Question regarding Africa on "Wer wird Millionär?"

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

Not really, as Wikipedia says: "Although the sea is sometimes considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean, it is usually identified as a separate body of water."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea

German Wikipedia says it differently. The Mediterrean Sea is a Nebenmeer (an English Wiki article isn't linked, thus I don't know the technical term for the English language) and a Nebenmeer is defined as a zoned area of the main sea - exactly as we learned it at school - and that's the definition by the IHO.

[Lord Halifax]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

Not really, as Wikipedia says: "Although the sea is sometimes considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean, it is usually identified as a separate body of water."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea

German Wikipedia says it differently. The Mediterrean Sea is a Nebenmeer (an English Wiki article isn't linked, thus I don't know the technical term for the English language) and a Nebenmeer is defined as a zoned area of the main sea - exactly as we learned it at school - and that's the definition by the IHO.

Yes, i get that. I was objecting to the claim that it is "ridiculous". Its a widespread belief and likely more common than the IHO definition in most Western countries.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

Not really, as Wikipedia says: "Although the sea is sometimes considered a part of the Atlantic Ocean, it is usually identified as a separate body of water."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea

German Wikipedia says it differently. The Mediterrean Sea is a Nebenmeer (an English Wiki article isn't linked, thus I don't know the technical term for the English language) and a Nebenmeer is defined as a zoned area of the main sea - exactly as we learned it at school - and that's the definition by the IHO.

Yes, i get that. I was objecting to the claim that it is "ridiculous". Its a widespread belief and likely more common than the IHO definition in most Western countries.

Ah, I see. Sorry. I misread your post.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

What about the North Sea and the Baltic Sea? Do you consider it an "autonomous" waterbody?

[Antonio the Sixth]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

What about the North Sea and the Baltic Sea? Do you consider it an "autonomous" waterbody?

The Baltic Sea is definitely its own sea, yes. The North Sea might be more debatable, given that there is no clear strait to delimit it, but I'll let the British and Norwegians decide what they think about it. As an Italian, I tell you for a fact that the Mediterranean is not part of the Atlantic.

[Lord Halifax]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

What about the North Sea and the Baltic Sea? Do you consider it an "autonomous" waterbody?

The Baltic Sea is definitely its own sea, yes. The North Sea might be more debatable, given that there is no clear strait to delimit it, but I'll let the British and Norwegians decide what they think about it. As an Italian, I tell you for a fact that the Mediterranean is not part of the Atlantic.

Oh, I misunderstood you then.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

What about the North Sea and the Baltic Sea? Do you consider it an "autonomous" waterbody?

The Baltic Sea is definitely its own sea, yes. The North Sea might be more debatable, given that there is no clear strait to delimit it, but I'll let the British and Norwegians decide what they think about it. As an Italian, I tell you for a fact that the Mediterranean is not part of the Atlantic.

Oh, now I see your mistake. You confuse the terms ocean and sea.
The North Sea, the Baltic Sea and the Mediterranean Sea are their own seas, but they are all part of the Atlantic.

[Lord Halifax]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

What about the North Sea and the Baltic Sea? Do you consider it an "autonomous" waterbody?

The Baltic Sea is definitely its own sea, yes. The North Sea might be more debatable, given that there is no clear strait to delimit it, but I'll let the British and Norwegians decide what they think about it. As an Italian, I tell you for a fact that the Mediterranean is not part of the Atlantic.

Oh, now I see your mistake. You confuse the terms ocean and sea.
The North Sea, the Baltic Sea and the Mediterranean Sea are their own seas, but they are all part of the Atlantic.

In common parlance ocean does not include seas separated by straits - only the main sea. It may very well be technically correct to do so, but its just not the way most people would perceive it (since its counterintuitive). Its not really a "mistake", but an alternative definition. There has been several different definition of what constitute an ocean throughout history.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

But you agree that this question is contentious, don't you?
If someone had said "two", you wouldn't have denied that answer, would you?

[Tintrlvr]

Both the Red Sea and the Mediterranean Sea are marginal seas, and those aren't usually included in the oceans. in a quiz you should be asking about the conventional definition that normal people learn in school and have a chance to know, not some "technically correct" trickery.

But we learned it that way at school!

The North Sea, the Bay of Biscay and the Caribbean Sea are marginal seas of the Atlantic Ocean.
The Baltic Sea and the Mediterranean Sea are inland seas of the same ocean.

The Red Sea is not a marginal sea, btw, but rather an inland sea, like the Persian Gulf is.

are you saying they teach you that the Med is part of the Atlantic Ocean?  That's weird, but if that's true, then the answer should be two if asked in Germany (or anywhere that teaches the Med is part of the Atl).

France can't be an answer because it's European not African.

France is as much of an African country as Turkey or Russia is an Asian country and a European country. It's certainly *also* a European country, but that is neither here nor there. An integral part of France is in Africa, therefore France is an African country. Period.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

All of this clearly calls for a giant sea battle to set all seas and oceans borders all over the world, and once again, one more giant global mess on borders begins by Germany, obv.

[Crumpets]

I don't know what is taught in Germany, but I absolutely learned that the Mediterranean is not part of the Atlantic Ocean. If I stood at Gibraltar looking at Africa, I would not say "I am looking across the Atlantic at Africa." I would say "I am looking at Africa with the Atlantic Ocean on my right and the Mediterranean on my left."

[Tender Branson]

In a few million years, Morocco will crash into Spain anyway - so the question if the Med is part of the Atlantic or not should be solved then ...

[Gustaf]

I have never heard anyone claim that the Mediterranean is part of the Atlantic.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

All of this clearly calls for a giant sea battle to set all seas and oceans borders all over the world, and once again, one more giant global mess on borders begins by Germany, obv.

Oh God, please no! We are not good at sea.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

I have never heard anyone claim that the Mediterranean is part of the Atlantic.

None of you heretics have been able to explain to me why the IHO defined the Mediterranean Sea as part of the Atlantic Ocean.

[parochial boy]

The med is part of the Atlantic basin while not actually being the same body of water maybe?

Just like how the Neckar is part of the Rhine's drainage basin but is still a separate river. I'm not a geographer though so could be talking out my arse

[EPG]

I have never heard anyone claim that the Mediterranean is part of the Atlantic.

None of you heretics have been able to explain to me why the IHO defined the Mediterranean Sea as part of the Atlantic Ocean.

That's like saying Taiwan isn't a state because it's not recognised by most of the UN.

[Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it]]

Coming from a country where there is a 'competition' between Mediteranean shore and Atlantic shore, and currently living on the Atlantic one, what i could say to those oddies living on the Med would be:

'Hey, where are ur tides now, thats just a bloody salted lake!!'

[President Johnson]

One (South Africa).

But technically you may argue Egypt, because the Mediterranean Sea belongs to the Atlantic and the Red Sea to the Indian Ocean.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

One (South Africa).

But technically you may argue Egypt, because the Mediterranean Sea belongs to the Atlantic and the Red Sea to the Indian Ocean.

Zank ju!

[Kingpoleon]

LOL what? The Mediterranean Sea is not part of the Atlantic. That's ridiculous.

Do you consider it an ocean?
Maybe it is really a cultural thing.

Antonio is Italian...

And no, nobody considers it an ocean. We consider it a sea, separate from an ocean.