Bush supporters

[nclib]

What thing(s) has Bush done that you disapprove of?

[KEmperor]

Whhat thing(s) has Bush done that you disapprove of?

Faith based inititives, for one.  Bush's social positions worry me somewhat.

[A18]

Not much this term. Last term, McCain-Feingold was the worst. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act was definitely unconstitutional, and the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act would be under a sane interpretation of the commerce clause.

I disapprove of No Child Left Behind on federalism grounds.

[Jake]

McCain/Feingold, the Prescription Drug Benefit, NCLB, Gay Marriage Amendment, not firing Rumsfeld, Gonzales as AG come to mind first.

[AkSaber]

His refusal to secure the Mexican border or enforce immigration law - not too happy about that. There's probably more, but I can't remember them.

[Jake]

Oh yeah, obviously immigration also.

[J. J.]

Schiavo, stem cell research.

[The Duke]

I opposed the 2003 tax cuts, which have done nothing to grow the stock market and have diverted resources from the war on terrorism.

I opposed No Child Left Behind, which has produced no demonstrable results except to prove that teachers can teach to a test when they have to.

I opposed the Medicare drug bill, which provides a benefit that's incomprehensible to the people it's intended to help and brings Medicare closer to bankruptcy.

I oppose his too stringent standards for stem cell research funding.

I oppose many of his personnel decisions, such as keeping George Tenet as long as he did, and keeping Norman Mineta and Andrew Card around.

There are many things.

[Giant Saguaro]

Lack of veto on so many of the obscene spending bills. That's my main gripe.

NCLB I really dislike. It flattens out education and demands that all kids stack up to some criterion-based standard. Bad idea. That's not how learning works, IME. Education is individualistic. It also ends up teachers teaching the test in certain grades. Another bad idea. It also does not predict at all how well students will do later on, and that is probably my main issue with it.

To some degree, I would like to have seen a more cogent exit strategy or a clearer system of achievement guages for Iraq.

[DanielX]

A lot, actually. I wouldn't support him at all if it weren't for the fact that the main alternative would not do these things any better (and would quite possibly be worse!).

Let's see....

- Big f**king spending! Bush is throwing way too much of the taxpayer's money (or borrowed money) into traditional tax-and-spend liberal areas! There are dozens of examples of this!
- I wonder sometimes if Bush attacked the wrong 'Ira', or possibly Bush should have taken care of both at once (maybe waiting a few more months to build additional troops).
- From Jake's list:
" McCain/Feingold, the Prescription Drug Benefit, NCLB, Gay Marriage Amendment,  Gonzales as AG"
-From AKSaber's list:
"His refusal to secure the Mexican border or enforce immigration law" - a big one!

[dazzleman]

-Fiscal policies/failure to control spending.
-Failure to take any steps to secure the Mexican border and straighten out immigration policy in general.
-Poor planning for the Iraq occupation.

[Hitchabrut]

Prescription drug initiatives, giving too much power to Rumsfeld, not having the chutzpah to blow Zarqawi to shards in a mosque, allowing liberals to make petty and dimunitive remarks about the man's intellect, responsibilities, and character.

[Hitchabrut]

Also, Dazzleman's comments are applicable to my beliefs about Bush's performance.

[nclib]

allowing liberals to make petty and dimunitive remarks about the man's intellect, responsibilities, and character.

How would he disallow that?

[Jake]

allowing liberals to make petty and dimunitive remarks about the man's intellect, responsibilities, and character.

How would he disallow that?

Camps. In any sane government, jfraud types would be sitting in one.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

allowing liberals to make petty and dimunitive remarks about the man's intellect, responsibilities, and character.

How would he disallow that?

Camps. In any sane government, jfraud types would be sitting in one.

Ummm, no.

[angus]

What thing(s) has Bush done that you disapprove of?

that whole Iraq mess chaps my ass.  still does.  but I'll repeat that now that we're over there the worst thing we can do is arbitrarily set a date for withdrawal.  once begun, withdrawal must be contingent on some measurable goal.  otherwise, we really look like chumps.  was it worth it?  worth 300 billion dollars?  worth 2000 american soldiers?  that's quite a price tag, and if we pull out now, no it wasn't.  if we pull out later, then at least it's "maybe" instead of "no"

there are other items, as well, but Iraq's the costliest one.

[Jake]

Ummm, no.

Ummm, yes. Read your history. When the dissenters are packed away and shipped out, wars get won. I'm willing to sacrifice your freedom for victory, so suck it up.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Ummm, no.

Ummm, yes. Read your history. When the dissenters are packed away and shipped out, wars get won. I'm willing to sacrifice your freedom for victory, so suck it up.

WTF history books did you read?

[Jake]

World War One: anti-war crowd is banned from speaking against the war.

Revolutionary War: Pro-British crowd was not received very happy by the anti-British colonists. Off they go to Canada.

World War Two: Potential spies in the Japanese community were shipped off to the desert.

World War Two again: Churchill has Mosley and his fascists locked up so they don't cause trouble.

Now to the times that they didn't and suffered consequences.

Vietnam War: Let human trash like Jane Fonda run around with the enemy. Should've had her taken away. Let a bunch of hippies ruin what could've been a fantastic victory.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

World War One: anti-war crowd is banned from speaking against the war.

Revolutionary War: Pro-British crowd was not received very happy by the anti-British colonists. Off they go to Canada.

World War Two: Potential spies in the Japanese community were shipped off to the desert.

World War Two again: Churchill has Mosley and his fascists locked up so they don't cause trouble.

Now to the times that they didn't and suffered consequences.

Vietnam War: Let human trash like Jane Fonda run around with the enemy. Should've had her taken away. Let a bunch of hippies ruin what could've been a fantastic victory.

So basically your data point is that you think that the anti-war people lost the Vietnam war?

[Jake]

They and the media certainly turned the people against the war and against the things that needed to be done to finish the war. You take them out of the picture, and Nixon wins the war in 1969-1970.

[J. J.]

World War One: anti-war crowd is banned from speaking against the war.

Revolutionary War: Pro-British crowd was not received very happy by the anti-British colonists. Off they go to Canada.

World War Two: Potential spies in the Japanese community were shipped off to the desert.

World War Two again: Churchill has Mosley and his fascists locked up so they don't cause trouble.

Now to the times that they didn't and suffered consequences.

Vietnam War: Let human trash like Jane Fonda run around with the enemy. Should've had her taken away. Let a bunch of hippies ruin what could've been a fantastic victory.

So basically your data point is that you think that the anti-war people lost the Vietnam war?

I don't agree with it, but there was a history of locking up opponents in a time of war.

[WiseGuy]

1. His failure to control spending.
2. His failure/refusal to secure the border.  And for anyone who's going to call me anti-immigrant, I oppose quotas, I just don't want any "undocumented aliens."  Someone comes into this country, I want them to pass a security check to make sure they aren't terrorist.
3. The No Child left behind Act.

[AkSaber]

Almost forgot, I really didn't like his support for the "assault weapons" ban. I actually don't know why he'd support such a thing.